Hamas leader: Nations are recognizing Palestinian state due to ‘fruits of October 7’

[JoeB131]

You don't understand what I'm saying. Jews and Christians share a God character but not a God idea. Jeslws and Muslims share and idea but not a character.

And since when is religious belief a popularity contest?

Religion is always a popularity contest. Just ask Zeus.

Ah, the world would be so much better off if the world had kept worshipping Zeus instead of Jehovah.

 

[Jroc]

Maybe you should thank the Western Leaders who propped Hitler up so he would go after Stalin for them.

Imagine their surprise when Hitler turned on them, first.

Your power hungry German ancestors are responsible. those who believed in the superiority of Germany are no different than their WWII Muslim supremacist , islamist partners who want the whole world to be Muslim

 

[Jroc]

No, Muslims and Jews believe in this same idea of God, but not the same God.

Also, a phrase often takes on a meaning beyond the words. They acquire situational meaning. Tenno Heika Banzai.

This islamist idea of God has no relationship to the Jewish idea other than the fact that they stole a couple of our practices

 

[rosends]

This islamist idea of God has no relationship to the Jewish idea other than the fact that they stole a couple of our practices

the idea (all powerful, transcendent and perfect, not human, never changing) is pretty much the same. But their God character did some things that the Jewish God character didn't, so they are 2 different iterations of the same concept.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don't defend Hamas, I only recognize that not every Palestinian is Hamas. What Hamas did pales in comparison to what the Nazis did but, once they were defeated, we didn't make Germany unlivable and try to get the German people to leave the country.

Every city in Germany was in worse shape than Gaza. The RAF spent the entire war deliberately trying to kill as many German civilians as possible. There were no safe zones, no food drops, and no temporary cease fires to allow civilians to leave the target zones. All things Israel has done in making its best effort to protect Gaza civilians who cheered the Hamas “success” on October Seventh.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Ever ask yourself why Muslims and Jews lived together in peace for over a millennium? Until now. What changed? Judaism, Islam, or the geopolitics of the Middle East?

They lived in peace because the Jews accepted being third class citizens in their own countries and the Ottoman were not afraid to kill anyone who didn’t follow orders.

 

[AZrailwhale]

My butt is fine. I try to be in the 1%, how about you?

You are the one percent who supports evil.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What happened and is happening to those Israelis is tragic but I'm not sure the lives of 1200 Israelis equal the lives of 60,000 Gazans.


Opinions on Israel's conduct of the war vary:

Israel has also engaged in the collective punishment of Gaza’s population through cutting off food, water, electricity, and fuel. This is a war crime, as is willfully blocking humanitarian relief from reaching civilians in need.​

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Except the Palestinians in the West Bank did want peace. It has not worked out well for them so the Gazans may be more leery of dealing with Israel.


Many who are sympathetic to Israel have felt betrayed by their actions in Gaza. Me for one.

If Israel’s government hadn’t spent so much money and effort in facilities and systems to protect its civilians, Israel would look like Gaza. People like you always complain about Gazan casualties without acknowledging that the government of Gaza hasn’t spent one dime to protect its citizens despite getting tens of billions of dollars in Western aid in the last decade. It’s all gone into facilities to protect Hamas fighters and equipment, offensive weapons to attack Israel with and into the pockets of Hamas’ leaders who are all billionaires or millionaires living in one or another of the Gulf States safely out of the war zone.

 

[alang1216]

Hang on there. We are trying to establish how territory becomes "someone's" homeland.

The Jewish people originated in that homeland. Agree or disagree?

The tradition the became Judaism developed there. The people likely migrated there from the east (now Iraq). Over time many of those people left voluntarily or involuntarily and carried those traditions with them. Over time people converted to Judaism, married Jews, and all the while Judaism evolved.

It is the tradition that originated in that homeland, but which people originated there is impossible to know.

 

[AZrailwhale]

When we invaded Iraq, Bush was told by his AG "you break it, you bought it". I have not seen Israel create a government to replace Hamas, even if only temporarily. There have been instances in the, if I recall correctly, where Israel supported Hamas as a useful tool.


There has been a continuous spiral of violence since 1948 and even earlier. Drawing an arbitrary line and saying history began at that line is disingenuous at best. Palestinians can point to many actions of Israel they feel created the arena of war, way before Oct 7.

Has any country in history created a government for its enemies during actual combat? I can’t think of one. You hold Israel to standards no country has ever been held to,

 

[alang1216]

Assuming this is true, what then excludes the Jewish tribes from self-determination and gives exclusive self-determination to the singular Arab tribe? If BOTH peoples lived in that area what makes the area belong to "someone" and not "someone else"? Make it make sense.

I think the Palestinians are resigned to the fact of the Jewish state, seems only fair that Israelis offer the Palestinians a state of their own.

 

[alang1216]

So if "Jews" own the land for longer it automatically becomes there's ?

No, I only look back 3 generations.

 

[alang1216]

It's been a hundred years, and the Palestinians are still there. Might there be other possibilities? I'd suggest starting with whether Israeli concessions of territory offered or given over (Gaza, Areas A and B and C, Jerusalem, the Old City, the Temple Mount) have actually brought peace or terrorism.

When Israel makes concessions of territory they seem to end up with more territory under their control.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Your analysis ignores the fact that one side is an oppressor and invader with far greater military power and the other side the oppressed fighting the invader with little capacity. It also ignores the total disregard for innocent life by the oppressor, committing daily war crimes. .

So you’d just as strongly support the Israelis in 1948 when they were the ill-armed country with little military power being invaded by over a million well armed Muslims who had been oppressing the local Jews for fourteen hundred years? I doubt that very much from the tenor of your posts here, the invading Muslim armies had zero concern for Jewish civilian casualties.

 

[alang1216]

Every city in Germany was in worse shape than Gaza. The RAF spent the entire war deliberately trying to kill as many German civilians as possible. There were no safe zones, no food drops, and no temporary cease fires to allow civilians to leave the target zones. All things Israel has done in making its best effort to protect Gaza civilians who cheered the Hamas “success” on October Seventh.

You should compare how the Allies acted once they occupied Germany.

 

[Eman623]

I don't defend Hamas, I only recognize that not every Palestinian is Hamas. What Hamas did pales in comparison to what the Nazis did but, once they were defeated, we didn't make Germany unlivable and try to get the German people to leave the country.

Hamas has not been defeated.

 

[struth]

Ghazi Hamad, a senior member of the Hamas politburo, told Al Jazeera over the weekend that the wave of Western nations moving to recognize a Palestinian state is the result of “the fruits” of Hamas’ October 7, 2023, massacre.

In a clip of his interview with the outlet yesterday, Hamad asked the interviewer: “Why are all the countries recognizing a Palestinian state today? Before October 7, did any country dare recognize a Palestinian state?”

He continues: “The fruits of October 7 are what caused the entire world to open its eyes to the Palestinian issue — and they are moving toward it with force. That is, that the Palestinian people are a people who deserve a country.”

Dozens of countries had recognized Palestinian statehood prior to the October 7 attack, though in recent weeks, many more have taken steps in that direction, including a number of major Israeli allies, citing the need to bring an end to the war in Gaza.

Responding to Hamad’s remarks, Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar — who has argued that unilateral recognition at this time “rewards terror” — called out France, the United Kingdom, and Canada for announcing plans to recognize a Palestinian state in September, asking rhetorically in a post on X: “If this [is] who applauds you — what does it say about you?”

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Britain, France, Canada and Hamas apparently all think alike.

Based on my experience in dealing with citizens of those counties on this board, like Dragonlady I believe she thinks a lot like Hamas

 

[alang1216]

If Israel’s government hadn’t spent so much money and effort in facilities and systems to protect its civilians, Israel would look like Gaza. People like you always complain about Gazan casualties without acknowledging that the government of Gaza hasn’t spent one dime to protect its citizens despite getting tens of billions of dollars in Western aid in the last decade. It’s all gone into facilities to protect Hamas fighters and equipment, offensive weapons to attack Israel with and into the pockets of Hamas’ leaders who are all billionaires or millionaires living in one or another of the Gulf States safely out of the war zone.

I have no love for Hamas and do not defend their actions.

 

[alang1216]

Hamas has not been defeated.

Nor has Israel tried to replace them. Why is that? Is Hamas useful to Israel?

 

[AZrailwhale]

When Israel makes concessions of territory they seem to end up with more territory under their control.

That’s historically what happens to the losing sides of wars. If Israel lost a war, there wouldn’t be a living Jew in Isreael in a year. Every Muslim nation has expelled its Jews, often only allowing them to leave with the clothes on their backs.