Hamas, Fatah, PIJ, and the rest.

[Daniyel]

I Think it is a topic worth discussion since every suggested solution to the conflict runs throughout this issue..

Let's say we found a solution and we are ready to implement it today, is there a place for all these organizations or not? They all sided with the Palestinians but they are unacceptable among Israel (we may exclude Fatah)
Hamas -
Fatah -
PIJ -
Independent cells -

Let's try to stay on topic, assuming we had a solution what would be with these organizations - what would be their role, try see things neutrally.

 

[rylah]

According to Dr Mordechai Kedar, an expert on the ME and a former intelligence employee, if the arabs wait to unite under one representation any longer, they'll have something like 4-5 Emirates for each tribe.
We know that tribalism is strong among arabic communities, much more influential than any official govt. Therefore I think each organization you've mentioned represents a totally different community which will continue to struggle for its' voice, privilege and funding under any form of "state".

However if we go with the 2 state "solution", most of them either nullify under one dominant tribe (like Syria/ Iraq) or become some kind of political opposition.

But in my opinion they'll do everything to place themselves in opposition to each other so that there's no way for an agreement with a divided society.
In other words Fatah can sign anything they want, as long as they can't forcefully implement it on the ground. Or as long as they know that while Fatah pretends to be peaceful, there'll be always someone else to 'finish the job'.

 

[RoccoR]

Daniyel, et al,

On the matter of all these organizations: “is there a place for all these organizations or not?”

I would rather collectively consider these Hostiles as “Regional Anti-Israeli Activities” (RAIAs). I say that because some of us breakout groups to a much finer degree, while others tend to clump these individual activities in to braced categories.

I Think it is a topic worth discussion since every suggested solution to the conflict runs throughout this issue..

Let's say we found a solution and we are ready to implement it today, is there a place for all these organizations or not? They all sided with the Palestinians but they are unacceptable among Israel (we may exclude Fatah)
Hamas -
Fatah -
PIJ -
Independent cells -

Let's try to stay on topic, assuming we had a solution what would be with these organizations - what would be their role, try see things neutrally.

(COMMENT)

When we address this question, we have to consider that having a place for these organizations (or RAIAs) implies a cooperative relationship or a practically functioning cabinet of hostile parliamentary governments in which several different agenda, goals and objectives are blended together into a single representative voice. This would be RAIAs that realize and agree that such a cooperative would reducing the dominance of any one activity within that this new Palestinian Cooperative of RAIAs. In adopting such a cooperative arrangement is the joint recognition is that no one RAIA, on its own, can hope to achieve a representative majority in the parliament, safe from the backlash of other RAIAs.

It is not likely that this could be accomplished before the end of the second decade in the 21st Century.

While theoretically, such a government could be formed; there is yet --- a dynamic Arab-Palestinian (dAP) to emerge that captures the imagination of the greater Palestinian community. Much like in a large choir, when a few individuals (RAIAs) singing out of tune (disharmony) won’t usually notice (have the same impact) --- without a vibrant dAP there will be no adhesive to hold the cooperative together.

Even in the unlikely event that a cooperative choir of Arab-Palestinians could be assembled, it would have to be done at the same time as the Government of Israel (GOI) might be ruled by a receptive party willing to accept a risk in the interest of peace.

It is not impossible, but highly improbably until such time as an extended period of peace were experienced, such that the impact would change GOI Leadership.

Another aspect that would poison the well is the fact that a vast majority of the political cohorts on the Arab-Palestinian side, have a dubious past in terms of terrorism. And that will be an issue that must be overcome.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[waltky]

Palestinians back to stalemate with Israel...

Palestinians: Back into Bed with Hamas
November 1, 2016 - If Abbas is unable to make peace inside his own Fatah faction, how will he ever be able to end the dispute with Hamas? And the more crucial question: How can Abbas ever be expected to make peace with Israel when he cannot even control his own Fatah loyalists? The Palestinian political situation, plagued with anarchy on all fronts, is deteriorating on a daily basis.

Israel and the rest of the world are currently facing two Palestinian camps: one (Hamas) that does not want to make peace with Israel because it believes Israel ought not to exist, and the second (Fatah) that cannot make peace with Israel because it is too weak to do so. The next US administration, whatever political persuasion it may be, would do well to mark this reality. This has become predictable. Given two minutes of breath, Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas resorts to the old tactic of courting Hamas as a way of hiding from the disaffection of his own Fatah faction. The overtures towards Hamas are a smokescreen for what many Palestinians are beginning to perceive as the beginning of a revolt against Abbas.

Last week, Abbas held a surprise meeting in Qatar with Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh and Khaled Mashaal. The meeting reportedly considered ways of ending the longstanding dispute between Fatah and Hamas and achieving "national reconciliation." Abbas aides said the meeting also dealt with the possibility of forming a Palestinian "national unity" government and holding long-overdue presidential, parliamentary and municipal elections in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The unexpected meeting was held under the auspices of the rulers of Qatar, a country that has long been the Number One sponsor of the Muslim Brotherhood organization, of which Hamas is an offshoot.

The surprising nature of the meeting between Abbas and the Hamas leaders makes sense: for one thing, the two sides had, prior to the encounter, denied that it would take place. Moreover, the meeting came only weeks after Fatah and Hamas traded allegations over the cancellation of the Palestinian municipal election, supposed to be held in the West Bank and Gaza Strip on October 8. Tensions between the two rival parties have since been mounting over the cancellation of the local election, with each side holding the other responsible for "foiling the democratic, electoral process." So what is really behind Abbas's latest decision to throw himself into the open arms of Hamas? Is the PA president suddenly smitten with genuine concern for "national reconciliation", or did something else prompt him to rush to Qatar?

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas walks with Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Emir of Qatar, during a visit to the Gulf state last week. The Emir hosted a meeting between Abbas and Hamas leaders, with the goal of ending the dispute between Hamas and Abbas's Fatah faction, and achieving "national reconciliation."​

The timing of the meeting in the Qatari capital of Doha is most telling. Abbas's chat with Mashaal and Haniyeh coincided with an unprecedented wave of violent protests that have erupted against him in a number of Palestinian refugee camps in the West Bank. In the past few weeks, scenes of armed clashes between PA security forces and gunmen have become a daily scene in the refugee camps of Balata, Jenin and Al-Amari in the West Bank. Palestinians say the confrontations are the worst in many years and pose a serious and open challenge to Abbas. The most recent clashes took place last week in Balata, when hundreds of PA security officers stormed the camp in an attempt to arrest "outlaws" and "criminals." At least four people were wounded during the exchange of gunfire between the gunmen and policemen. Similar clashes have also occurred in the Al-Amari camp (near Ramallah) and the Jenin camp.

Abbas aides claim that ousted Fatah strongman Mohamed Dahlan is behind the latest unrest in the refugee camps. They claim that Dahlan and his supporters are seeking to overthrow Abbas as part of a "wider conspiracy" to appoint new leaders for the Palestinians. They also claim that some Arab countries, particularly Egypt, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, are backing the alleged conspiracy to remove Abbas from power. Abbas's paranoia has reached the point that he has begun expelling or arresting any Fatah member whom he suspects of being affiliated with Dahlan. Hardly a day passes without the Palestinian Authority's expulsion of yet another unruly Fatah official. According to Palestinian sources, at least thirteen Fatah officials have been run out of the faction in the past few months, most of them on suspicion of being linked in one way or another to Dahlan.

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See also:

It Has Never Been About 'Ending The Occupation'
November 2, 2016 • The PA, led by Mahmoud Abbas, is sending a message to Israel and the international community, one that they express frequently in Arabic, that ending Israel’s presence in Judea and Samaria is not their primary objective, rather their target is Israel itself.

It will be 120 years since the First Zionist Congress, held in Basel in 1897, which formulated the Zionist platform and plan of action for the implementation of its goals. Next year will mark many important anniversaries in the history of Zionism, Israel and its conflict with our neighbors. It will also be 70 years since the United Nations Partition Plan, which won the support of the UN General Assembly for the creation of a Jewish state and an Arab state in Mandatory Palestine. Significantly, it will also be 50 years since the miraculous victory by Israel against five Arab nations intent on extinguishing the Jewish state. However, after only six days Israel not only defended itself, it liberated Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria, the cradle of Jewish civilization.

One would assume that given Israel’s opponents’ and detractors’ claims, this date will be the focal point of activity against Israel over the year ahead, as we are constantly being told that the root of the conflict and the lack of peace is a result of the so-called occupation. However, last week, at the House of Lords in the British Parliament a panel discussion was held to commemorate another important milestone, the Balfour Declaration. The Balfour Declaration was a letter written by British minister Lord Arthur James Balfour recognizing the rights of the Jewish People to their ancestral homeland. The declaration was then adopted by the international community at the League of Nations, the predecessor to the UN.

A CONSTRUCTION site in the West Bank settlement of Givat Ze’ev, near Jerusalem​

The event at the House of Lords took place under the auspices of the Palestinian Return Centre and was hosted by the vitriolic Baroness Jenny Tonge, who was forced to resign from her political party because of her previous anti-Israeli, and some might argue antisemitic remarks. This event was the beginning of a hostile drive, led by the Palestinian Authority, called the Balfour Apology Campaign, which has called the letter “a crime.” What this obsessive focus on a letter written 100 years ago, as opposed to the liberation of Judea and Samaria 50 years ago, tells us very clearly and distinctly is that this has never been about the “occupation”; it is, however, about opposing any recognition of the Jewish People’s rights to sovereignty in their ancestral homeland.

The PA, led by Mahmoud Abbas, is sending a message to Israel and the international community, one that they express frequently in Arabic, that ending Israel’s presence in Judea and Samaria is not their primary objective, rather their target is Israel itself. This objective is consistent with almost a century of Palestinian rejectionism. The Palestinians rejected the Peel Commission recommendations of 1937, which would have given them the overwhelming majority of what is now Israel, the Partition Plan of 1947, the Clinton Parameters of 2000 and the offers of former prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert in 2001 and 2008 respectively.

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[P F Tinmore]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

 

[Hollie]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

The Great Satan™ didn't install Abbas. This is just another of the factual errors you continue to be befuddled about.

 

[MJB12741]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

Praise the Lord! If Abbas were elected by the Palestinians, Israel would have to do even more to provide for them in bettering their lives, all at Israel's expense.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

Praise the Lord! If Abbas were elected by the Palestinians, Israel would have to do even more to provide for them in bettering their lives, all at Israel's expense.

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

 

[MJB12741]

Abbas has been a thorn on Israel. A game player who doesn't give a damn about Israel or the Palestinians. At least Hamas is playing no game. And Israel knows how to deal with them.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, this is a bit of an exaggeration...

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

(COMMENT)

"Thousands of years?" Meaning more than one.

In the period from today and stretching back ---- and two millennium ---- I do not think that there was any period of time in which the indigenous population for the territory exercised autonomous self-governing authority over the area known today as the territory formerly under the Mandate.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire (Persians) - Shah Shahrvaraz - took control of Jerusalem until the Islamic Emperor took control in ≈ 627 - 630. For a couple hundred years, the sovereignty exchanged hands several time Among the Caliphs several times. This struggle continued until the establishment of the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem until the Kurdish Leader Saladin captured Jerusalem from Crusaders (≈ 1187). This remained the status quo, bouncing back and fourth until Ottoman Sultan Selim I took control (≈ 1517). This Ottoman control remained until the Turkish Republic came to power; and Kemal Ataturk negotiated a peace.

The indigenous Palestinians did not survive for thousands of years, it was never a soveriegn extending self-government.

For every dollar the Russians gave to the Arab League in the post-WWII era, a similar amount was provided to Israel in order to ensure that Cold War era Israel maintained a qualitative and comprehensive military edge over the Arab Allies to Russia.

Military Aid by the US to Israel was comparative to the Russian Military Aid to Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt. But military aid and internal defense and development (IDAD) from either the US it its allies --- or --- Russia to its allies is completely different from the International Donor Aid to Arab Palestinians. "International aid to the Palestinian Authority fell by 70% over the last four years, significantly affecting the Palestinian government's budget, and consequently, the economy." By contrast -- the US bi-lateral aid remained relatively constant.

​

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

SEE: Why donor countries are giving less to the Palestinians
Author Adnan Abu Amer
Posted February 24, 2016
Translator Kamal Fayad

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

And when will hamas follow them into the pit ?

 

[Phoenall]

The US installed Abbas dictatorship is falling apart.

Palestinians: Fatah Prepares for War with Israel

Palestinians: Abbas "The Jew"

Praise the Lord! If Abbas were elected by the Palestinians, Israel would have to do even more to provide for them in bettering their lives, all at Israel's expense.

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

Palestine existed as a smudge on the maps, it never survived anything until the Ottomans invited the Jews to migrate and close colonise the land. Now we have the arab muslims threatening terrorist attacks unless the west gives them money to buy illegal weapons to kill the Jews and Christians with. And islam gets 10 to 20 times more welfare than Judaism does, and it all started because arab muslims demanded blood money

 

[fanger]

Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach Terrorist groups , were all absorbed into the Israeli State

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia

 

[MJB12741]

Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach Terrorist groups , were all absorbed into the Israeli State

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia[

OUTSTANDING POST! And please don't forget the Stern gang. As stated at the top of your article, these groups were formed to resist the Arabs desire & attempts to annihilate the Jews. And yes, perhaps the Palestinians have formed their terrorist groups to resist Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel. Not even once have the Zionists tried helping to free them back to their indigenous homelands.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, this is a bit of an exaggeration...

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

(COMMENT)

"Thousands of years?" Meaning more than one.

In the period from today and stretching back ---- and two millennium ---- I do not think that there was any period of time in which the indigenous population for the territory exercised autonomous self-governing authority over the area known today as the territory formerly under the Mandate.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire (Persians) - Shah Shahrvaraz - took control of Jerusalem until the Islamic Emperor took control in ≈ 627 - 630. For a couple hundred years, the sovereignty exchanged hands several time Among the Caliphs several times. This struggle continued until the establishment of the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem until the Kurdish Leader Saladin captured Jerusalem from Crusaders (≈ 1187). This remained the status quo, bouncing back and fourth until Ottoman Sultan Selim I took control (≈ 1517). This Ottoman control remained until the Turkish Republic came to power; and Kemal Ataturk negotiated a peace.

The indigenous Palestinians did not survive for thousands of years, it was never a soveriegn extending self-government.

For every dollar the Russians gave to the Arab League in the post-WWII era, a similar amount was provided to Israel in order to ensure that Cold War era Israel maintained a qualitative and comprehensive military edge over the Arab Allies to Russia.

Military Aid by the US to Israel was comparative to the Russian Military Aid to Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt. But military aid and internal defense and development (IDAD) from either the US it its allies --- or --- Russia to its allies is completely different from the International Donor Aid to Arab Palestinians. "International aid to the Palestinian Authority fell by 70% over the last four years, significantly affecting the Palestinian government's budget, and consequently, the economy." By contrast -- the US bi-lateral aid remained relatively constant.

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"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

SEE: Why donor countries are giving less to the Palestinians
Author Adnan Abu Amer
Posted February 24, 2016
Translator Kamal Fayad

Most Respectfully,
R

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."​

Indeed, and that money is to benefit Israel not the Palestinians.

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, this is a bit of an exaggeration...

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

(COMMENT)

"Thousands of years?" Meaning more than one.

In the period from today and stretching back ---- and two millennium ---- I do not think that there was any period of time in which the indigenous population for the territory exercised autonomous self-governing authority over the area known today as the territory formerly under the Mandate.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire (Persians) - Shah Shahrvaraz - took control of Jerusalem until the Islamic Emperor took control in ≈ 627 - 630. For a couple hundred years, the sovereignty exchanged hands several time Among the Caliphs several times. This struggle continued until the establishment of the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem until the Kurdish Leader Saladin captured Jerusalem from Crusaders (≈ 1187). This remained the status quo, bouncing back and fourth until Ottoman Sultan Selim I took control (≈ 1517). This Ottoman control remained until the Turkish Republic came to power; and Kemal Ataturk negotiated a peace.

The indigenous Palestinians did not survive for thousands of years, it was never a soveriegn extending self-government.

For every dollar the Russians gave to the Arab League in the post-WWII era, a similar amount was provided to Israel in order to ensure that Cold War era Israel maintained a qualitative and comprehensive military edge over the Arab Allies to Russia.

Military Aid by the US to Israel was comparative to the Russian Military Aid to Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt. But military aid and internal defense and development (IDAD) from either the US it its allies --- or --- Russia to its allies is completely different from the International Donor Aid to Arab Palestinians. "International aid to the Palestinian Authority fell by 70% over the last four years, significantly affecting the Palestinian government's budget, and consequently, the economy." By contrast -- the US bi-lateral aid remained relatively constant.

View attachment 96660 ​

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

SEE: Why donor countries are giving less to the Palestinians
Author Adnan Abu Amer
Posted February 24, 2016
Translator Kamal Fayad

Most Respectfully,
R

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."​

Indeed, and that money is to benefit Israel not the Palestinians.

So lets see now. Us sends $5 billion in aid to West Bank Palestinians -- & Israel benefits. A classic case of Palestinian mentality.

 

[RoccoR]

fanger, et al,

So, exactly what inference are you drawing here?

Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach Terrorist groups , were all absorbed into the Israeli State

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia

(COMMENT)

Since 1948, the various organizations that began to parallel evolve at the same time as the Izz ad-din al-Qassam Black Hand (AKA: Palestinian Black Hand) were either disbanded and its assets assimilated into the Israeli sanctioned activities; or totally demilitarized.

In any event, the pre-1948 armed assets of the Israelis and Arabs were similar in some aspects of it method of operations. The difference emerged and became strikingly noticeable after the 1948 War of Independence. In fact, as the evolution of these to armed assets continued, they diverged from a similar armed track: one becoming a very professional armed force. while the others tend to draw jihadist and asymmetric tactics.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, this is a bit of an exaggeration...

Palestine survived for thousands of years without aid.

Then Israel came along.

Now we have two countries on welfare.

(COMMENT)

"Thousands of years?" Meaning more than one.

In the period from today and stretching back ---- and two millennium ---- I do not think that there was any period of time in which the indigenous population for the territory exercised autonomous self-governing authority over the area known today as the territory formerly under the Mandate.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire (Persians) - Shah Shahrvaraz - took control of Jerusalem until the Islamic Emperor took control in ≈ 627 - 630. For a couple hundred years, the sovereignty exchanged hands several time Among the Caliphs several times. This struggle continued until the establishment of the Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem until the Kurdish Leader Saladin captured Jerusalem from Crusaders (≈ 1187). This remained the status quo, bouncing back and fourth until Ottoman Sultan Selim I took control (≈ 1517). This Ottoman control remained until the Turkish Republic came to power; and Kemal Ataturk negotiated a peace.

The indigenous Palestinians did not survive for thousands of years, it was never a soveriegn extending self-government.

For every dollar the Russians gave to the Arab League in the post-WWII era, a similar amount was provided to Israel in order to ensure that Cold War era Israel maintained a qualitative and comprehensive military edge over the Arab Allies to Russia.

Military Aid by the US to Israel was comparative to the Russian Military Aid to Lebanon, Syria, and Egypt. But military aid and internal defense and development (IDAD) from either the US it its allies --- or --- Russia to its allies is completely different from the International Donor Aid to Arab Palestinians. "International aid to the Palestinian Authority fell by 70% over the last four years, significantly affecting the Palestinian government's budget, and consequently, the economy." By contrast -- the US bi-lateral aid remained relatively constant.

View attachment 96660 ​

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

SEE: Why donor countries are giving less to the Palestinians
Author Adnan Abu Amer
Posted February 24, 2016
Translator Kamal Fayad

Most Respectfully,
R

"Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."​

Indeed, and that money is to benefit Israel not the Palestinians.

So lets see now. Us sends $5 billion in aid to West Bank Palestinians -- & Israel benefits. A classic case of Palestinian mentality.

Sure:

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In the eyes of the pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian, nothing America does is right. At some point, the US citizenry will just dump all assistance to them.

Two thousand years ago (6 AD), Roman expeditionary forces established the province called Judaea. The Romans maintained sovereign control of the region until ≈ 614 AD; when The King of the Sasanian Empire "Since the establishment of limited Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the mid-1990s, the U.S. government has committed more than $5 billion in bilateral economic and non-lethal security assistance to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, who are among the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide."

Indeed, and that money is to benefit Israel not the Palestinians.

(COMMENT)

Many believe that no US funds can be provided to a Palestinian government in which Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) --- (a self-proclaimed Jihadist activity) participates or has undue influence,” legally under US Law. “And many suggest in the strongest possible terms that Congress should conduct a thorough review of continued US assistance to the Palestinian Authority to ensure that the law is completely followed and implemented.”

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[fanger]

Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach Terrorist groups , were all absorbed into the Israeli State

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia[

OUTSTANDING POST! And please don't forget the Stern gang. As stated at the top of your article, these groups were formed to resist the Arabs desire & attempts to annihilate the Jews. And yes, perhaps the Palestinians have formed their terrorist groups to resist Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel. Not even once have the Zionists tried helping to free them back to their indigenous homelands.

I already mentioned the Stern Gang as Lehi
Lehi (Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈleχi]; Hebrew: לח"י – לוחמי חרות ישראל‎‎ Lohamei Herut Israel – Lehi, "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel – Lehi"), often known pejoratively as the Stern Gang,[9][10][11][12] was a Zionist paramilitary organization founded by Avraham ("Yair") Stern in Mandatory Palestine.[13][14] Its avowed aim was to evict the British authorities from Palestine by resort to force, allowing unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state, a "new totalitarian Hebrew republic".[15] It was initially called the National Military Organization in Israel,[1] upon being founded in August 1940, but was renamed Lehi one month later.[16] It defined itself as a terrorist grou