Hakeem Jeffries Threatens to Shut Down Federal Gov't

[kyzr]

How could "libs" do anything? Republicans own all 3 branches of government. If Republicans can't produce a workable bill that Dems will support then Republicans own that dysfunction.
Because Republicans own all 3 branches of government now ALL future dysfunction and failure is solely owned by them (and Musk/Trump).
That's what really sucks about all this "winning." That's only half of it. Now they've got to govern.

Republicans need to govern now or be sent back to minorities.
Vegas puts it at 50/50

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Both from FL.


WW

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What about Stefanik 's district in NY. Has NY gotten off their ass yet? They were going to sit on it to keep Republicans down another seat.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Democrats cannot shut down the government. Only the Majority controlling Republicans can do that. A reminder, the Republicans control the House, Senate, Presidency, and SCOTUS.

Democrats can filibuster in the Senate. Did you forget that?

Nah! You didn't forget what you never realized. Ignorance will do that to you!

 

[kyzr]

Democrats can filibuster in the Senate. Did you forget that?
Nah! You didn't forget what you never realized. Ignorance will do that to you!

All it takes is a simple majority to stop a filibuster.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I lost track of when a filibuster won't be used.
All it takes is a simple majority to kill a filibuster.

You are an idiot. A filibuster takes 60 votes to invoke cloture ending debate! Back to high school for you! Turn in your diploma. Oh, wait! I meant GED.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Tick-tock, the Repubs only have until 3/14 or the government is shut down.

The House votes on it the last week of Feb

Then it goes to "conference" where the House & Senate Bills are combined, then they both have to vote on the same Bill.

Its going to be a nail-biter.

The Senate will not likely have a different version of the bill as it must originate in the House. Government 101 applies.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What about Stefanik 's district in NY. Has NY gotten off their ass yet? They were going to sit on it to keep Republicans down another seat.

My understanding is she is still in the nomination/confirmation process and her seat won't be vacated until the Senate confirms her.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My understanding is she is still in the nomination/confirmation process and her seat won't be vacated until the Senate confirms her.

WW

Thanks! I did not recall hearing here current status! Appreciate it!

 

[kyzr]

You are an idiot. A filibuster takes 60 votes to invoke cloture ending debate! Back to high school for you! Turn in your diploma. Oh, wait! I meant GED.

Fuck yourself you pompous ass. (read up on "nuclear option", or read below)

A reconciliation bill is a type of legislation in the U.S. Congress that allows for expedited consideration of certain budget-related measures, enabling them to pass with a simple majority in the Senate, bypassing the usual 60-vote requirement to overcome a filibuster. These bills typically address issues related to taxes, spending, and the federal debt limit, and must adhere to specific budgetary rules.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We're never going to solve the debt problem with our convicted felon POTUS and his South African boss stealing money from programs average Americans rely on to finance enormous tax cuts for his club of wealthy elites.

How about don't spend money we don't have? Don't pretend that you care about the debt. If you did, you'd stop voting for people who keep increasing it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Fuck yourself you pompous ass. (read up on "nuclear option", or read below)

A reconciliation bill is a type of legislation in the U.S. Congress that allows for expedited consideration of certain budget-related measures, enabling them to pass with a simple majority in the Senate, bypassing the usual 60-vote requirement to overcome a filibuster. These bills typically address issues related to taxes, spending, and the federal debt limit, and must adhere to specific budgetary rules.

Reconciliation bills require a bill to have already been passed.

That is not the nuclear option. The nuclear option is passing a rule to end use of the filibuster by eliminating that from the Senate rules. Once again you proved yourself wrong.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Reconciliation bills require a bill to have already been passed.

That is not the nuclear option. The nuclear option is passing a rule to end use of the filibuster by eliminating that from the Senate rules. Once again you proved yourself wrong.

Rock,

That's how the politicians work the system:

• Sentate passes water downed legislation. (To pass the filibuster.)
• House passes hard ball legislation.
• Negotiators from the chambers meet in confernce on a "reconciliation bill".
• Once approved by the negotiators it goes back to each chamber for final approval by simple majority.

The whole idea is evading the filibuster.

WW

 

[yidnar]

He wouldn't know the first thing about "streamlining" anything. He doesn't have the knowledge. Fire a bunch of people in charge of the nuclear arsenal...ooopss...
The low hanging fruit the DOGE cucks have been wading through are designed to get people like you outraged and fired up. But in the grander scheme of making progress
in reducing the deficit and debt....this stuff..is peanuts. But you get yourself all worked up!

lol ! we are getting worked up ??? it ain't republicans in the streets shouting a screaming about doge and vandalizing Tesla dealerships ..

 

[yidnar]

The problem with winning the presidency AND congress AND having the SCOTUS pretty much in your back pocket is that you now own it ALL.
Even the dysfunction. You don't have the option anymore of blaming it on someone else because there IS no one else.
You control it all.
If you (Republicans & Donald Trump) are unable to reach deals with the opposition party then that reflects innefficient, incompetent governing and voters will hold you accountable for that.
Especially if your incompetence is messing with their pocketbooks.
If Trump's 2025 agenda winds up wreaking havok in red states and affected voters start burning up the phones calling their elected representatives wanting to know "WHAT THE FUCK?" those politicians are going to have no one to blame but themselves.....or Trump.
"Better to blame Trump," they will ultimately decide.
Then they'll begin, one by one, tossing him under the bus....up to even a third impeachment.....with a REAL conviction this ttme.
I look for the bleeding to start next year when the midterm campaigning really gets going.

the 1st month of Trumps admin has been great for the American people .. enjoy the next 47 !

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Rock,

That's how the politicians work the system:

• Sentate passes water downed legislation. (To pass the filibuster.)
• House passes hard ball legislation.
• Negotiators from the chambers meet in confernce on a "reconciliation bill".
• Once approved by the negotiators it goes back to each chamber for final approval by simple majority.

The whole idea is evading the filibuster.

WW

Well except all bills regarding revenue must originate in the House. Did you forget that part?

BTW, your spellcheck is malfunctioning.

Article I, Section 7, Clause 1
"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Even if this is not considered a revenue bill, Democrats will refuse to pass any budget bill regarding cloture. They can filibuster with 41 votes until the cows come home.

 

[kyzr]

Reconciliation bills require a bill to have already been passed.
That is not the nuclear option. The nuclear option is passing a rule to end use of the filibuster by eliminating that from the Senate rules. Once again you proved yourself wrong.

I apologize for my previous expletives. Some days my fingers type before my filter kicks in.

You said: "A filibuster takes 60 votes to invoke cloture ending debate!"
I gave you two examples when that is not true. 1) nuclear option, and 2) reconciliation
My point being that Hakeem doesn't have a knife at the Republican's throat.

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Trump backs House GOP reconciliation bill over Senate version​

"We need both Chambers to pass the House Budget to ‘kickstart’ the Reconciliation process, and move all of our priorities to the concept of, ‘ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL,'” Trump continued.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I apologize for my previous expletives. Some days my fingers type before my filter kicks in.

You said: "A filibuster takes 60 votes to invoke cloture ending debate!"
I gave you two examples when that is not true. 1) nuclear option, and 2) reconciliation
My point being that Hakeem doesn't have a knife at the Republican's throat.

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Trump backs House GOP reconciliation bill over Senate version​

"We need both Chambers to pass the House Budget to ‘kickstart’ the Reconciliation process, and move all of our priorities to the concept of, ‘ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL,'” Trump continued.

Depending on the bill, the House may have trouble getting all the Republican Senators to pass a bill with a majority because you know the Dems are going to vote it down. Remember you have RINOs McConnell, Collins, and Murkowski. It would only take one more to leave the reservation. Jeffries never had anything to begin with. He is in the minority and as long as the Freedom caucus stays on the home team, he doesn't stand a chance.

In the Senate, Collins and Murkowski have already sealed their fate as far as reelection. The Republicans will either primary them or cut off all support. Having a Democrat in office would be preferable to either of those turncoats. McConnell is not running and if they are not careful, I am betting the stupid people in Kentucky will vote their Democrat governor into the Senate to replace him. The voters up there are really fickle. The only reason he won was because the Dems selected a DEI former Marine pilot to run against him. She was soundly beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but Andy Beshear is a certain kind of special when it comes to defeating Republicans and I think Comer moving to take McConnell's place is the Republican's best bet.

 

[Cougarbear]

Every Democrat can opposed it but they still can't shut anything down.

Probably going to do an insurrection of some sort. Hold Republicans hostage with AK47's or something...

 

[konradv]

Every Democrat can opposed it but they still can't shut anything down.

Democrats can, because MAGA can’t get their sh*t together. Republicans require 100% loyalty or they get nothing! They’ve backed themselves into a corner by considering compromise to be a four-letter word.

 

[kyzr]

Depending on the bill, the House may have trouble getting all the Republican Senators to pass a bill with a majority because you know the Dems are going to vote it down. Remember you have RINOs McConnell, Collins, and Murkowski. It would only take one more to leave the reservation. Jeffries never had anything to begin with. He is in the minority and as long as the Freedom caucus stays on the home team, he doesn't stand a chance.

In the Senate, Collins and Murkowski have already sealed their fate as far as reelection. The Republicans will either primary them or cut off all support. Having a Democrat in office would be preferable to either of those turncoats. McConnell is not running and if they are not careful, I am betting the stupid people in Kentucky will vote their Democrat governor into the Senate to replace him. The voters up there are really fickle. The only reason he won was because the Dems selected a DEI former Marine pilot to run against him. She was soundly beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but Andy Beshear is a certain kind of special when it comes to defeating Republicans and I think Comer moving to take McConnell's place is the Republican's best bet.

The House only has a two vote majority, so as you say, all the Republicans need to vote for it, looks good so far:

How Trump's agenda just took a big step forward on Capitol Hill

It's the first step in passing Trump's agenda, but the bill must clear additional gauntlets.

www.usatoday.com

To bring conservative members of the House Freedom Caucus like Roy and Norman on board, GOP leaders tweaked their initial plan to require lawmakers to find $2 trillion in federal cost savings over 10 years.
If they fail to reach that goal, Republicans would have to pare back their planned $4.5 trillion in tax cuts by an equal amount, reducing the overall cost of the package, which has been a concern for fiscal conservatives. Conversely, if lawmakers find larger cost savings, they can pass larger tax cuts.

In the Senate, even the three RINOs are on board with the reconciliation Bill. Rand Paul is a wild-card.

Senate adopts $340 billion budget blueprint for Trump's agenda after marathon 'vote-a-rama'

The 52-48 overnight vote puts pressure on the GOP-controlled House, which plans to take up its own competing budget resolution next week.

www.nbcnews.com

The mostly partly-line vote came just before 5 a.m. ET following an all-night “vote-a-rama,” in which senators cast votes on 33 amendments over the course of a 10-hour span. The final vote was 52-48, with Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., as the lone Republican to join all 47 Democrats in voting against the budget resolution.

In KY, the Beshear v Comer race will burn a lot of cash.
It might even beat the 2020 record of $300m set by Graham v Harrison.