Had Trump run as a democrat, would he have garnered the same support?

[Norman]

Trump's support, what he is about often times is bashing minority groups. Other than abortion (assuming he didn't change his position) and healthcare (again, he has changed his position) and that at least at one time he had no problem with the rich paying their share of taxes though he certainly wasn't an advocate of the middle class or poor.

Anger at the establishment is OK, anger at fellow Americans and ethnic groups abroad do not have a lot of sway within the Democratic party. Populism can work but I see two different brands coming from the right and left.

The so called anger at minorities you are talking about is actually just presenting a statistic to a regressive liberal that they don't wish to see. The regressive bubble is over, deal with it. This shit won't fly.

 

[bendog]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

Trump would not be leading with a plurality of the dems as he is with the GOP. I'm not even sure how many of the Trump voters are usual gop primary voters. But, Hillary would have crushed him in the Southern states just as she did Bernie. Outside the rust belt, I don't think AWG displaced workers have much play in the dem party anymore.

 

[RDD_1210]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

Only the republican party has a base dumb enough and bigoted enough to buy in to his message that preys on hate and fear.

His message isn't "hate and fear".

You are the dumb one.

Oh look who isn't paying attention. His entire campaign is built on fear.

 

[TNHarley]

Hard to say, really. He would still have me, but idk about other people. I know a lot of Republicans that have Bernie as their number 2. I am sure they would still be for him if he was under D.

 

[Muhammed]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

Only the republican party has a base dumb enough and bigoted enough to buy in to his message that preys on hate and fear.

His message isn't "hate and fear".

You are the dumb one.

Oh look who isn't paying attention. His entire campaign is built on fear.

Liar.

Just because stupid people such as yourself claim that over and over doesn't make it true.

 

[g5000]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

If Trump had run as a Democrat, which he should have, he would not be slamming Mexicans and Muslims. He would be slamming Wall Street greed. He would be calling for higher taxes and free college education. He would be calling for an assault weapons ban. He would be demanding universal health care.

 

[nat4900]

Agreed. The immigration issue is not very important in USA, but did establish that "enough with the bullshit - time to call spade a spade". Which is probably the real reason why it resonates.

Actually, it "resonates" here for some, as it resonated for Germany in the 1920-30s.....Pick a scapegoat and blame all a nation's problems on that minority.

 

[Norman]

Agreed. The immigration issue is not very important in USA, but did establish that "enough with the bullshit - time to call spade a spade". Which is probably the real reason why it resonates.

Actually, it "resonates" here for some, as it resonated for Germany in the 1920-30s.....Pick a scapegoat and blame all a nation's problems on that minority.

Wow, a regressive making Hitler references. How painfully original. This is exactly the reason for Trump's success. Enough with the bull shit.

 

[Correll]

Agreed. The immigration issue is not very important in USA, but did establish that "enough with the bullshit - time to call spade a spade". Which is probably the real reason why it resonates.

Actually, it "resonates" here for some, as it resonated for Germany in the 1920-30s.....Pick a scapegoat and blame all a nation's problems on that minority.

 

[Muhammed]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

Only the republican party has a base dumb enough and bigoted enough to buy in to his message that preys on hate and fear.

His message isn't "hate and fear".

You are the dumb one.

Oh look who isn't paying attention. His entire campaign is built on fear.

No it isn't.

You just accept it because your mind is too feeble to question it.

 

[bendog]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

If Trump had run as a Democrat, which he should have, he would not be slamming Mexicans and Muslims. He would be slamming Wall Street greed. He would be calling for higher taxes and free college education. He would be calling for an assault weapons ban. He would be demanding universal health care.

Yeah, he'd be running as Bernie Sanders.

I still don't think he ever expected to be winning a plurality. He wanted a new TV gig. It's hard for me to see his end game, besides being "losing nominee," because he essentially has to get 70% of whites with a turnout. He's already getting a historically high gop turnout, but where's the general election turnout coming from? And he's certainly creating a groudswell with latinos and blacks.

But, if in some event he's actually elected, we will have elected a man with no past ideology, and we will have no idea as to what he will try to do

 

[Correll]

Chatting with some friends (some of whom are staunch republicans) the above question arose.

Certainly, as some GOP candidates have claimed, Trump is a "New York values" type, and that may mean, as Cruz alleged, that he is somewhat of "liberal"; after all, Trump has claimed a penchant for universal health care, pro free choice for women, fair trade, etc.

So, the question arises: Would Trump have garnered the same level of support among right wing voters, or are these voters a bit dense in NOT fully understanding his (albeit, non-specific) stances and proposed policies?

He could easily have run as a Democrat, but with the super delegates, why would he? His stance on illegal immigration would have been his downfall as a Democrat though, there is no doubt about that. Still, just like the Republican party, the Democrats would have been split between Trump and Hillary, with Bernie a distant 3rd. You see, Democrats are NOT far left; only the far left is way out there. Democrats are usually blue collar workers, and they would have flocked to his message, just as they do now.

If Trump had run as a Democrat, which he should have, he would not be slamming Mexicans and Muslims. He would be slamming Wall Street greed. He would be calling for higher taxes and free college education. He would be calling for an assault weapons ban. He would be demanding universal health care.

Yeah, he'd be running as Bernie Sanders.

I still don't think he ever expected to be winning a plurality. He wanted a new TV gig. It's hard for me to see his end game, besides being "losing nominee," because he essentially has to get 70% of whites with a turnout. He's already getting a historically high gop turnout, but where's the general election turnout coming from? And he's certainly creating a groudswell with latinos and blacks.

But, if in some event he's actually elected, we will have elected a man with no past ideology, and we will have no idea as to what he will try to do

We have his stated platform.

 

[g5000]

We have his stated platform.

Trump was a far left liberal until a few months ago. Every time he was asked a political opinion before last year, he took the far left position. Universal health care, assault weapons ban, "very pro choice", impeach Bush, "Hillary Clinton would make a great President", "Bill Clinton was a great President."

He's a huckster, and Trump's Chumps are too stupid to catch on.

 

[Correll]

We have his stated platform.

Trump was a far left liberal until a few months ago. Every time he was asked a political opinion before last year, he took the far left position. Universal health care, assault weapons ban, "very pro choice", impeach Bush, "Hillary Clinton would make a great President", "Bill Clinton was a great President."

He's a huckster, and Trump's Chumps are too stupid to catch on.

If he tried to ban assault rifles I hope the Republicans in congress will shoot it down.

There is no way he can appoint Justices that are more pro-choice than the ones HIllary would appoint.

Bush is out of office.

And if he wins, he is not going to give his job to Hillary.

We have his stated policies to go by, and they look very good for America.

 

[nat4900]

Wow, a regressive making Hitler references. How painfully original. This is exactly the reason for Trump's success. Enough with the bull shit.

The reference is applicable since the anti-immigration rhetoric DOES resemble the xenophobia of 3/4 of century ago in Europe. Can't blame me that most right wingers' knowledge of history spans barely their lifetime.

 

[Norman]

Wow, a regressive making Hitler references. How painfully original. This is exactly the reason for Trump's success. Enough with the bull shit.

The reference is applicable since the anti-immigration rhetoric DOES resemble the xenophobia of 3/4 of century ago in Europe. Can't blame me that most right wingers' knowledge of history spans barely their lifetime.

My face resembles that of Hitler, since it's a Human face. Therefore I am Hitler.

Regressive logic...

All the important facts about muslims are hid away by the regressively liberals and their rhetoric, in fact merely presenting them is the ultimate deed of racism. Is hiding uncomfortable facts and shutting down conversation a sign of xenophobia? Is giving immigrant endless welfare benefits xenophobia? Is making it illegal to even release facts about muslims xenophobia (ala france)?

Welcome to reality, we missed you. Unfortunately regressives think anything less than burying your head in the ground while getting f***ed at the same time is a sign of xenophobia.

 

[g5000]

We have his stated platform.

Trump was a far left liberal until a few months ago. Every time he was asked a political opinion before last year, he took the far left position. Universal health care, assault weapons ban, "very pro choice", impeach Bush, "Hillary Clinton would make a great President", "Bill Clinton was a great President."

He's a huckster, and Trump's Chumps are too stupid to catch on.

If he tried to ban assault rifles I hope the Republicans in congress will shoot it down.

There is no way he can appoint Justices that are more pro-choice than the ones HIllary would appoint.

Bush is out of office.

And if he wins, he is not going to give his job to Hillary.

We have his stated policies to go by, and they look very good for America.

As I said, before he decided to run for office Trump was far left. All of his positions were far left. Since he wasn't running for office, his positions were probably more truthful as to his actual political beliefs.

He's a huckster, and Trump's Chumps are fools for thinking the leopard has changed his spots.

 

[nat4900]

Agreed. The immigration issue is not very important in USA, but did establish that "enough with the bullshit - time to call spade a spade". Which is probably the real reason why it resonates.

Actually, it "resonates" here for some, as it resonated for Germany in the 1920-30s.....Pick a scapegoat and blame all a nation's problems on that minority.

As Freud once stated....sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[Correll]

Wow, a regressive making Hitler references. How painfully original. This is exactly the reason for Trump's success. Enough with the bull shit.

The reference is applicable since the anti-immigration rhetoric DOES resemble the xenophobia of 3/4 of century ago in Europe. Can't blame me that most right wingers' knowledge of history spans barely their lifetime.

Sending people home does not "resemble" killing them.

 

[nat4900]

My face resembles that of Hitler, since it's a Human face. Therefore I am Hitler.

Regressive logic...

No, that's INANE "logic" (but I can't blame you for avoiding logic at all costs)....

Did Hitler gain popularity by bashing Jews and Gypsies for Germany's economic problems? YES or NO???