H.R. 5444 - The Private Option Health Care Act

[Kevin_Kennedy]

we collect about 1 trillion a year in income tax, we spend nearly $900 billion a year on defense....there IS BIG WASTE in the Defense area of our budget AS well as other areas.

The constitution does NOT support a standing Army....

they understood the military industrial complex, even back then.

Right. The first area of the budget that should be addressed is our militaristic foreign policy.

 

[Reidlr]

we collect about 1 trillion a year in income tax, we spend nearly $900 billion a year on defense....there IS BIG WASTE in the Defense area of our budget AS well as other areas.

The constitution does NOT support a standing Army....

they understood the military industrial complex, even back then.

The constitution does call for a standing army/navy, but requires that moneys be apportioned no longer than two years. This requires the federal government to pass a new defense budget at least every two years!

I do agree that there is wasteful spending in the DoD, but to specifically point out the DoD illustrates to me just how biased you are! Liberals always go after the DoD! How much money gets wasted on the DoE, DoI, DHS, IRS, and the entitlement programs that so many freeloaders live their lives on!? I just read an article about the new IRS HQ (see link below) the amount of money on wasteful nonsense is astounding!
Tweet of the Week: New IRS Facility Will Have The Nicest Amenities Your Money Can Buy | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.
This is just one example of the wasteful spending in other areas than the DoD. Our government has grown to a size that can not be controlled by the people anymore. It is now a self-serving machine that runs the people! It doesn't matter who you vote or who is in office! We have allowed this bed to be made and now we must lay in it!

 

[Reidlr]

Nobody supports small government...it just makes a good campaign slogan

Even the Tea Baggers want smaller government....only if it doesn't affect social security, or medicare, or vetrans benefits or defense.....

All people want smaller government in the areas they don't benefit from

You are partially correct! Both parties support big government and will continue to compete for more power. This is a fault of our two party system. However; with that said, there are Americans who support a smaller government, but we are past the point of no return and our voices go unheard! All of the New Deal era government entitlement programs are here to stay and will never stop until we are broke and can no longer afford to finance them! The politicians are corrupt and only concerned with more control.

You listed defense in your above comment, but the defense of the homeland is a constitutional requirement and is the responsibility of the government! The other programs you listed should not be under the control of the government or should not exist!

We can not solely place the blame on our government either! We Americans slowly began to grow lazy after the Depression era, thanks in part to the government entitelment programs that came to life during the same timeframe. Today, anytime things get hard, Americans go to Uncle Sam and ask for a hand out rather than work out their problems.

Sorry....the government you advocate went away about 80 years ago and is not coming back. The US is now a modern society with modern problems. The days of growing up and living you life on the family farm have passed.
The type of government you seem to want is no longer possible

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right..." Abraham Lincoln

Declaration of Independence, Paragraph 1:
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

By no means am i advocating violence as a means to correct our government; however, it has occurred in the past. I fear that if all Americans don't stand up and begin to correct our errors, we are destined to repeat history! Our two party system has split this country down the center and the current divide is characteristic of America in 1860! The issues are the different, but the politics are the same!

 

[rightwinger]

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

You don't understand what the Constitution is. The Constitution consists of the original document, amendments and all subsequent legal interpretations that have occured since then. Our government has evolved, our society has evolved and the Constitution has evolved to reflect a modern society

 

[Reidlr]

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

You don't understand what the Constitution is. The Constitution consists of the original document, amendments and all subsequent legal interpretations that have occured since then. Our government has evolved, our society has evolved and the Constitution has evolved to reflect a modern society

The constitution has not evolved! It has been interpreted by corrupt politicians and a SCOTUS that has been bought and paid for in order to get the desired results! SCOTUS hasn't stood up to the executive branch nor the legislative branch and defended our constitution since FDR! When FDR tried to fire most of them, although he was unsuccessful, the message was sent and SCOTUS hasn't "stepped out of line" since!

 

[jeffrockit]

The Private Option Health Care Act gives control of health care back into the hands of individuals through tax credits and tax deductions, improving Health Savings Accounts and Flexible Savings Accounts. Specifically, the bill:

A. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes;
B. Allows individuals to roll over unused amounts in cafeteria plans and Flexible Savings Accounts (FSA);
C. Provides a tax credit for premiums for high-deductible insurance policies connected with a Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and allows seniors to use funds in HSAs to pay for medigap policies;
D. Repeals the 7.5% threshold for the deduction of medical expenses, thus making all medical expenses tax deductible.

Campaign For Liberty — Introducing the Private Option Health Care Act

This legislation would also repeal Obamacare.

H.R. 5444: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care... (GovTrack.us)

Americans are sick of scammy tax credit schemes and deductions.

You're not repealing Healthcare reform either. It's too little, too late for your side to be offering up lame solutions.

What "side". We are all Americans. It is so ignorant to use the us v them in debates because that plays right into the politician's hands as a divided America keeps the focus off them. When you realize that neither "side" has your best interests in mind, you understand the power corrupt Washington way. This board is a small sad example of how divided we truly have become and would rather argue a R v D debate than work together to weed out ALL bad, corrupt, selfish politicians.

 

[rightwinger]

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

You don't understand what the Constitution is. The Constitution consists of the original document, amendments and all subsequent legal interpretations that have occured since then. Our government has evolved, our society has evolved and the Constitution has evolved to reflect a modern society

The constitution has not evolved! It has been interpreted by corrupt politicians and a SCOTUS that has been bought and paid for in order to get the desired results! SCOTUS hasn't stood up to the executive branch nor the legislative branch and defended our constitution since FDR! When FDR tried to fire most of them, although he was unsuccessful, the message was sent and SCOTUS hasn't "stepped out of line" since!

The Constitution is the net result of thousands of court decisions defining its nuances and interpretations....that is how it evolves and that is how it was intended to be used.

To throw out the input of the Supreme Court would be.....Unconstitutional

 

[Oddball]

The "nuances and interpretations" were spelled out, in very specific and certain language, in the Federalist and Anti-federalist Papers....SCOTUS has merely played politics with the Constitution, as politicians have played politics with SCOTUS.

 

[rightwinger]

The "nuances and interpretations" were spelled out, in very specific and certain language, in the Federalist and Anti-federalist Papers....SCOTUS has merely played politics with the Constitution, as politicians have played politics with SCOTUS.

Sorry Dude,,


You have 200+ years of legal precedence against you.

"nuances and interpretations" were not spelled out.....that is why we still argue about the second amendment

 

[Oddball]

What we have is 200+ years of SCOTUS and politicians usurping their proper roles in order to rule by decree.

Be that "legal precedent", it's very arguable as to whether we'd have been better off remaining under the thumb of the British Crown.

 

[rightwinger]

What we have is 200+ years of SCOTUS and politicians usurping their proper roles in order to rule by decree.

Be that "legal precedent", it's very arguable as to whether we'd have been better off remaining under the thumb of the British Crown.

Sorry you feel that way.....

What you should do is elect people who support appointing judges who hold a more fundamentalist conservative view. Unfortunately, "We the people" have elected representaties who appoint judges who are willing to look at the intent of the Constitution as it applies to our current society.

The fact that you are not happy does not make the process unconstitutional

 

[MaggieMae]

we collect about 1 trillion a year in income tax, we spend nearly $900 billion a year on defense....there IS BIG WASTE in the Defense area of our budget AS well as other areas.

The constitution does NOT support a standing Army....

they understood the military industrial complex, even back then.

The constitution does call for a standing army/navy, but requires that moneys be apportioned no longer than two years. This requires the federal government to pass a new defense budget at least every two years!

I do agree that there is wasteful spending in the DoD, but to specifically point out the DoD illustrates to me just how biased you are! Liberals always go after the DoD! How much money gets wasted on the DoE, DoI, DHS, IRS, and the entitlement programs that so many freeloaders live their lives on!? I just read an article about the new IRS HQ (see link below) the amount of money on wasteful nonsense is astounding!
Tweet of the Week: New IRS Facility Will Have The Nicest Amenities Your Money Can Buy | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.
This is just one example of the wasteful spending in other areas than the DoD. Our government has grown to a size that can not be controlled by the people anymore. It is now a self-serving machine that runs the people! It doesn't matter who you vote or who is in office! We have allowed this bed to be made and now we must lay in it!

The reason DoD is always singled out by "liberals" is that it always seems to be forgotten by "cons" in their neverending attacks on entitlement programs which THEY were instrumental in establishing.

You linked the cost of the new IRS building--so how about the new $600 million embassy in Baghdad, big enough to house a shopping mall, which will cost over $1 billion per year to maintain?

 

[MaggieMae]

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

You don't understand what the Constitution is. The Constitution consists of the original document, amendments and all subsequent legal interpretations that have occured since then. Our government has evolved, our society has evolved and the Constitution has evolved to reflect a modern society

Which is precisely what the framers had in mind. They obviously didn't expect the guidelines, principles and basic law to stand still in that moment in time. Some of the clauses within the Constitution are almost intentionally ambiguously written for that purpose.

 

[MaggieMae]

I partially agree with the last sentence! But I fear you are like so many and believe that the Constitution of the United States has outgrown is usage! Without this document our federal government will run out of control! OH WAIT, it already has run out of control! I do not want to, "...live on the family farm...", but I do want a responsible government that our founders established!

Don't be so fast to assume the government I advocate for is dead and gone. You never know what will happen if the majority of Americans get fed up with the unconstitutional version of our Federal Government we have today!

You don't understand what the Constitution is. The Constitution consists of the original document, amendments and all subsequent legal interpretations that have occured since then. Our government has evolved, our society has evolved and the Constitution has evolved to reflect a modern society

The constitution has not evolved! It has been interpreted by corrupt politicians and a SCOTUS that has been bought and paid for in order to get the desired results! SCOTUS hasn't stood up to the executive branch nor the legislative branch and defended our constitution since FDR! When FDR tried to fire most of them, although he was unsuccessful, the message was sent and SCOTUS hasn't "stepped out of line" since!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

You are not going to repeal anything..

The GOP had a chance to establish a healthcare plan for 8 years, they chose to block all proposals

The GOP had a chance to include key provisions in the existing Health Plan, they chose to try to block it

What makes you think they will do anything now?

Well obviously this is not going to pass. It's a Democratically controlled Congress, and this probably won't even make it out of committee. And of course the GOP won't get behind repealing Obamacare, because they're the same as the Democratic Party.

If they are the same as the Democratic Party, why do they vote the opposite on every bill?

Because it's all for the show.

Both sides know whether a particular bill is going to pass or not. They just puff & bluster to maximize their take from special interest groups & their lobbyists.

Both Dems & Reps are just out for their wallets, not for us.

 

[Oddball]

What we have is 200+ years of SCOTUS and politicians usurping their proper roles in order to rule by decree.

Be that "legal precedent", it's very arguable as to whether we'd have been better off remaining under the thumb of the British Crown.

Sorry you feel that way.....

What you should do is elect people who support appointing judges who hold a more fundamentalist conservative view. Unfortunately, "We the people" have elected representaties who appoint judges who are willing to look at the intent of the Constitution as it applies to our current society.

The fact that you are not happy does not make the process unconstitutional

Wrong, yet again.

They appoint justices who "interpret" the very specific words and very clearly elaborated upon intents of what the words of the framers did and didn't mean, to mean that they can make up shit as they go along to suit their politics....Otherwise, FDR wouldn't have threatened to pack the court with Fabian socialist "interpreters".

Just because you do like the results doesn't mean it follows the Constitution.

 

[rightwinger]

What we have is 200+ years of SCOTUS and politicians usurping their proper roles in order to rule by decree.

Be that "legal precedent", it's very arguable as to whether we'd have been better off remaining under the thumb of the British Crown.

Sorry you feel that way.....

What you should do is elect people who support appointing judges who hold a more fundamentalist conservative view. Unfortunately, "We the people" have elected representaties who appoint judges who are willing to look at the intent of the Constitution as it applies to our current society.

The fact that you are not happy does not make the process unconstitutional

Wrong, yet again.

They appoint justices who "interpret" the very specific words and very clearly elaborated upon intents of what the words of the framers did and didn't mean, to mean that they can make up shit as they go along to suit their politics....Otherwise, FDR wouldn't have threatened to pack the court with Fabian socialist "interpreters".

Just because you do like the results doesn't mean it follows the Constitution.

Dude.....you simplify 200 years of judicial decisions down to "they make up shit as they go along"

Our judicial and Constitutional system doesn't just conform to what the founders wanted....it makes it better.

Over time, we have fixed the mistakes in the original document. Just as the founders intended

 

[uscitizen]

And this bill makes individual Medical malpractice insurance premuims tax deductable?

who would ever guess that it was written by a DR?

 

[MaggieMae]

And this bill makes individual Medical malpractice insurance premuims tax deductable?

who would ever guess that it was written by a DR?

That's why I think it was a joke. "You want socialized medicine? Here! Have one that's even more Socialist than the one just passed!!" Seems to be the subtle message. (Of course it will go nowhere.)

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

And this bill makes individual Medical malpractice insurance premuims tax deductable?

who would ever guess that it was written by a DR?

That's why I think it was a joke. "You want socialized medicine? Here! Have one that's even more Socialist than the one just passed!!" Seems to be the subtle message. (Of course it will go nowhere.)

Allowing people to keep more of their own money isn't socialism.