H-1B Visas Take American Jobs

[bripat9643]

It isn't socialism, dipstick. Are laws against robbery socialism? Doesn't that regulate business as well? After all, you can't start a business that murders people for hire.

no it proves my point, that the right wants things to be done their way only, even if that is by force. so why they rant about Obama being a socialist its being hypocritical. but i guess sarcasm goes over your head

when the right can admit that they actually want socialist ideals, but that they are just their own version of socialism we can talk.

wanna try that failed insult again?

robbery laws do not regulate business. they punish criminals.

and youre an idiot....

Immigration laws do not regulate business. They control our borders.

You're an imbecile.

It wasn't a "failed insult." It was an accurate description.

 

[JimBowie1958]

are you saying government should interfere in the market and influence the price for labor?

That would be a strong

YES ! ! !​

You dont realize that they do that for everything else? Why not labor too and help Americans succeed?

so you in essence just asked for a socialist county. you asked for the government to interfere with free market principles.

well done.....

One can have a well regulated market place without having socialism, dude.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm sure there is always going to abuse somewhere. The creation of the H visa was a compromise that arose out of a gap in the immigration system because jobs were going unfulfilled. I worked in a place like that, though we couldn't find accountants. Literally, openings would go unfulfilled for years. During the boom in the 90s, there was reportedly over half a million unemployed engineers, yet technology companies were scrambling for talent. That's why a large well-known Silicon Valley company was so desperate to hire my friend (who now runs his own business in NoCal, employing Americans), a guy who finished bottom of his class with a degree in basket-weaving.

Companies are going to go to where the talent is located. If the talent is cheaper overseas, that is where they are going to go. It's better to have them here. The economy is driven by technological innovation. Something like over half the PhDs in the sciences and mathematics in this country are awarded to foreigners. Supposedly, a third of all companies started in Silicon Valley are started by people who weren't born here. Large companies threatened to move when Congress hesitated on renewing the allocation of H visas because they rely heavily on talent from abroad.

After spending nearly nine years in it, I can say that without a doubt, the US immigration system is an archaic anachronism that needs to be reformed. It discourages talented people from coming here. We have to make it easier for people to come here, not harder. In a world where economic wealth is created by innovation and brainpower, and where talent is welcomed elsewhere, America looking inward and closing its borders is a recipe for stagnation and decline.

Our laws do not exist to benefit corporations or to fatten the wallets of corrupt government agents/congressmen/bureacrats. Our laws exist to make ALL of us US citizens have the opportunity to prosper.

Going overseas to get cheaper talent is short term thinking that has come to bite many who have done it in the ass. Some things can be well outsourced overseas and many others cannot. The long term interests of our nation are definately hurt as we educate our competition and neglect the advancement of our own citizens. But the duty of our lawmakers, according to the US Constitution, is to give all of us said opportunity, not just the wealthy few.

If a corporation can make more money for itself by offshoring and then selling its cheap products here in US markets then the laws need to be changed to remove this competitive advantage of removing jobs from the American people. Changes to the tax code to benefit those who employ Americans and to penalize those who evade quality controls, environmental regulations and labor safety standards would be just and well deserved.

Americans are finally starting to wake up to this crap that is going on, but when the proverbial shyte hits the fan in the next year or two we will have to put the corporate jini back in the bottle or our progeny will be enslaved to corporate debt and government taxes for the foreseeable future.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Enjoy your time while you have it, thief. The public is waking up and after the shit hits the fan in the next year or so, Wall Street theives wont have the cash to keep buying all the politicians off.

Then fucktards like you will get some 'justice'.

And I will be laughing my ass off when theives like you come crawling begging people to have some pitty.

nope.

Is there supposed to be some kind of 'threat' in there, miss? Do you even care to try and figure out what the hell you think you are talking about, miss?

lol, ever here of the Jacobins?

They thrive in economic environments like we have today. One more shock to our financial system, and many are in the hopper, and we will be in a situation very similar to that of the French in the early 1780s.

French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Louis XVI ascended to the throne amidst a financial crisis; the state was nearing bankruptcy and outlays outpaced income.[6] This was because of France’s financial obligations stemming from involvement in the Seven Years War and its participation in the American Revolutionary War.[7] In May 1776, finance minister Turgot was dismissed, after he failed to enact reforms. The next year, Jacques Necker, a foreigner, was appointed Comptroller-General of Finance. He could not be made an official minister because he was a Protestant.[8]

Necker realized that the country's extremely regressive tax system subjected the lower classes to a heavy burden,[8] while numerous exemptions existed for the nobility and clergy.[9] He argued that the country could not be taxed higher; that tax exemptions for the nobility and clergy must be reduced; and proposed that borrowing more money would solve the country's fiscal shortages. Necker published a report to support this claim that underestimated the deficit by roughly 36 million livres, and proposed restricting the power of the parlements.[8]

This was not received well by the King's ministers and Necker, hoping to bolster his position, argued to be made a minister. The King refused, Necker was fired, and Charles Alexandre de Calonne was appointed to the Comptrollership.[8] Calonne initially spent liberally, but he quickly realized the critical financial situation and proposed a new tax code.[10]

And they bounced from one failure to another failure because they did not address the underlying unequal distribution of opportunity for the French people and it all blew up in their faces.

But of course theiving fools like you never learn till just before you've lost your heads, lol.

 

[Unkotare]

lol, ever here of the Jacobins?

It's "hear," you idiot. Your absurd, superficial historical comparison only makes you look more the fool no matter how impressed you were with yourself when you pulled it out of your ass.

 

[JimBowie1958]

lol, ever here of the Jacobins?

It's "hear," you idiot. Your absurd, superficial historical comparison only makes you look more the fool no matter how impressed you were with yourself when you pulled it out of your ass.

Lol, you really think I dont know the difference between 'here' and hear' you fucktard?

You really shouldnt be so impressed with yourself.

The FACT is that though history doesnt repeat itself, it does RIME, lol.

The current greedy shits that are gaming the system to shut out the rest of us with their shmoozing, ticket punching and group think are teetering on the brink of self-destruction.

I am simply watching the wreck begin from afar.

BTW, go **** yourself.

 

[Unkotare]

lol, ever here of the Jacobins?

It's "hear," you idiot. Your absurd, superficial historical comparison only makes you look more the fool no matter how impressed you were with yourself when you pulled it out of your ass.

Lol, you really think I dont know the difference between 'here' and hear'?

Evidence suggests that to be the case.

 

[Unkotare]

The FACT is that though history doesnt repeat itself, it does RIME, lol.

Maybe you meant 'rhyme,' you illiterate ****?

 

[LockeJaw]

Hey unkatore! You said I didn't know what I was talking about on the "was Obama racist when he wrote this" thread. And then your post disappeared, please tell me what it was in the post I said that made no sense?

 

[JimBowie1958]

It's "hear," you idiot. Your absurd, superficial historical comparison only makes you look more the fool no matter how impressed you were with yourself when you pulled it out of your ass.

Lol, you really think I dont know the difference between 'here' and hear'?

Evidence suggests that to be the case.

Then you are an idiot.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Hey unkatore! You said I didn't know what I was talking about on the "was Obama racist when he wrote this" thread. And then your post disappeared, please tell me what it was in the post I said that made no sense?

Well, the part that made no sense probably started with 'Unkotare...'

 

[LockeJaw]

Hey unkatore! You said I didn't know what I was talking about on the "was Obama racist when he wrote this" thread. And then your post disappeared, please tell me what it was in the post I said that made no sense?

Well, the part that made no sense probably started with 'Unkotare...'

Unkatore and I can figure it out on our own. No need for cheerleaders.

 

[Unkotare]

Lol, you really think I dont know the difference between 'here' and hear'?

Evidence suggests that to be the case.

Then you are an idiot.

Really? I 'here' that YOU are the idiot, Captain Illiterate.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Evidence suggests that to be the case.

Then you are an idiot.

Really? I 'here' that YOU are the idiot, Captain Illiterate.

What you ASSume to be illiteracy is simply a lack of time or concern for the opinion of asshats like you.

You would realize that if you werent so full of shit.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Hey unkatore! You said I didn't know what I was talking about on the "was Obama racist when he wrote this" thread. And then your post disappeared, please tell me what it was in the post I said that made no sense?

Well, the part that made no sense probably started with 'Unkotare...'

Unkatore and I can figure it out on our own. No need for cheerleaders.

Wasnt cheerleading.

Simply pointing out the obvious.

 

[Unkotare]

Then you are an idiot.

Really? I 'here' that YOU are the idiot, Captain Illiterate.

What you ASSume to be illiteracy is simply a lack of time or concern for the opinion of asshats like you.

You would realize that if you werent so full of shit.

You think you can cover for your stupidity that way? You fail again, champ.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Really? I 'here' that YOU are the idiot, Captain Illiterate.

What you ASSume to be illiteracy is simply a lack of time or concern for the opinion of asshats like you.

You would realize that if you werent so full of shit.

You think you can cover for your stupidity that way? You fail again, champ.

Lol, whatever, genius.

 

[Unkotare]

Ah, "whatever." The universal signal for surrender.

 

[Toro]

I'm sure there is always going to abuse somewhere. The creation of the H visa was a compromise that arose out of a gap in the immigration system because jobs were going unfulfilled. I worked in a place like that, though we couldn't find accountants. Literally, openings would go unfulfilled for years. During the boom in the 90s, there was reportedly over half a million unemployed engineers, yet technology companies were scrambling for talent. That's why a large well-known Silicon Valley company was so desperate to hire my friend (who now runs his own business in NoCal, employing Americans), a guy who finished bottom of his class with a degree in basket-weaving.

Companies are going to go to where the talent is located. If the talent is cheaper overseas, that is where they are going to go. It's better to have them here. The economy is driven by technological innovation. Something like over half the PhDs in the sciences and mathematics in this country are awarded to foreigners. Supposedly, a third of all companies started in Silicon Valley are started by people who weren't born here. Large companies threatened to move when Congress hesitated on renewing the allocation of H visas because they rely heavily on talent from abroad.

After spending nearly nine years in it, I can say that without a doubt, the US immigration system is an archaic anachronism that needs to be reformed. It discourages talented people from coming here. We have to make it easier for people to come here, not harder. In a world where economic wealth is created by innovation and brainpower, and where talent is welcomed elsewhere, America looking inward and closing its borders is a recipe for stagnation and decline.

Our laws do not exist to benefit corporations or to fatten the wallets of corrupt government agents/congressmen/bureacrats. Our laws exist to make ALL of us US citizens have the opportunity to prosper.

Going overseas to get cheaper talent is short term thinking that has come to bite many who have done it in the ass. Some things can be well outsourced overseas and many others cannot. The long term interests of our nation are definately hurt as we educate our competition and neglect the advancement of our own citizens. But the duty of our lawmakers, according to the US Constitution, is to give all of us said opportunity, not just the wealthy few.

If a corporation can make more money for itself by offshoring and then selling its cheap products here in US markets then the laws need to be changed to remove this competitive advantage of removing jobs from the American people. Changes to the tax code to benefit those who employ Americans and to penalize those who evade quality controls, environmental regulations and labor safety standards would be just and well deserved.

Americans are finally starting to wake up to this crap that is going on, but when the proverbial shyte hits the fan in the next year or two we will have to put the corporate jini back in the bottle or our progeny will be enslaved to corporate debt and government taxes for the foreseeable future.

Immigration benefits the country. Silicon Valley would be a shadow of itself without it.

Your protectionist policies do not benefit all Americans. They hurt most Americans. They cost Americans by raising the cost of labor, making goods more expensive and reducing aggregate income. They benefit the few - those who otherwise would not have lost their jobs - at the expense of the many through privilege via government laws. Retreating to within a shell and erecting protectionist barriers is a sign of weakness and decline.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Ah, "whatever." The universal signal for surrender.

Lol, whatever makes you sleep better, dear.

You just are not worth the time to respond to other than simple things like this.