H-1B Visas Take American Jobs

[JimBowie1958]

It isn't socialism, dipstick. Are laws against robbery socialism? Doesn't that regulate business as well? After all, you can't start a business that murders people for hire.

no it proves my point, that the right wants things to be done their way only, even if that is by force. so why they rant about Obama being a socialist its being hypocritical. but i guess sarcasm goes over your head

when the right can admit that they actually want socialist ideals, but that they are just their own version of socialism we can talk.

wanna try that failed insult again?

robbery laws do not regulate business. they punish criminals.

and youre an idiot....

lol, you dont think people can rob you usiung the guise of a business?

You ******* stupid shit head.

Please, just shut the hell up.

 

[JimBowie1958]

People in the country on temporary work visas are not illegal aliens and are not distorting the labor market. This is competition and I trust the American worker to excel in and by such competition.

You want Americans to compete with 200 million Indians who have technical degrees? When we let them come over here to "compete" the learn all the skills that were once exclusive to Americans. American companies hire Indian consultants because they can get one for $45/hr instead of $115/hr, and that's the only reason.

Your lack of faith in the American worker is disappointing. If you think you are going to keep skills and knowledge within national borders you are kidding yourself. Hell, we can't even keep truly dangerous military secrets under wraps for long. Do you remember how industrialization began in this country? The visa program certainly does not allow for 200 million Indians to enter the country, Ms. Hyperbole. People who come here under the termporary work visa program do not enter the country strapped to the bottom of a truck or locked in a shipping container. They do not live 24 to an apartment, and they do not work below minimum wage under exploitative conditions. I believe Americans can thrive in competition.

You mean we cant do it even though the Indians, Chinese, and European ALL do it successfully?

Please....

 

[JimBowie1958]

Maybe you failed to compete because you are such a whiny little *****.

**** you you greedy theif.

Guess what? I did get another job and I am doing fairly well. I did not let the criminality of the corporation I worked for stop me from attaining my goals, but it took about 9 months pay out of my savings.

Do you realize how pathetically predictable and wrong your counter-acusation is?

Americans are the most efficient labor force int he world, FACT, and you can go **** yourself.

'They have to share! They owe me a job!' What the **** is that? Your emoting about Indonesian labor conditions has nothing to do with this topic.

And your emotional blathering does?

lol.

Enjoy your time while you have it, thief. The public is waking up and after the shit hits the fan in the next year or so, Wall Street theives wont have the cash to keep buying all the politicians off.

Then fucktards like you will get some 'justice'.

And I will be laughing my ass off when theives like you come crawling begging people to have some pitty.

nope.

 

[Unkotare]

You want Americans to compete with 200 million Indians who have technical degrees? When we let them come over here to "compete" the learn all the skills that were once exclusive to Americans. American companies hire Indian consultants because they can get one for $45/hr instead of $115/hr, and that's the only reason.

Your lack of faith in the American worker is disappointing. If you think you are going to keep skills and knowledge within national borders you are kidding yourself. Hell, we can't even keep truly dangerous military secrets under wraps for long. Do you remember how industrialization began in this country? The visa program certainly does not allow for 200 million Indians to enter the country, Ms. Hyperbole. People who come here under the termporary work visa program do not enter the country strapped to the bottom of a truck or locked in a shipping container. They do not live 24 to an apartment, and they do not work below minimum wage under exploitative conditions. I believe Americans can thrive in competition.

You mean we cant do it even though the Indians, Chinese, and European ALL do it successfully?

Please....

ALL do 'what' successfully?

 

[Unkotare]

Maybe you failed to compete because you are such a whiny little *****.

**** you you greedy theif.

Guess what? I did get another job and I am doing fairly well.

Then you can quit your whining, *****. And just what does your fevered little pea brain think I stole, *****?

 

[Unkotare]

I did not let the criminality of the corporation I worked for stop me from attaining my goals.

What laws did that corporation break, *****?

 

[Unkotare]

Americans are the most efficient labor force int he world.

That's what I say, *****. You are confused.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your lack of faith in the American worker is disappointing. If you think you are going to keep skills and knowledge within national borders you are kidding yourself. Hell, we can't even keep truly dangerous military secrets under wraps for long. Do you remember how industrialization began in this country? The visa program certainly does not allow for 200 million Indians to enter the country, Ms. Hyperbole. People who come here under the termporary work visa program do not enter the country strapped to the bottom of a truck or locked in a shipping container. They do not live 24 to an apartment, and they do not work below minimum wage under exploitative conditions. I believe Americans can thrive in competition.

You mean we cant do it even though the Indians, Chinese, and European ALL do it successfully?

Please....

ALL do 'what' successfully?

Good greif, you think that pretending to not understand me gets you anything?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Americans are the most efficient labor force int he world.

That's what I say, *****. You are confused.

Efficient as in value added per hour of labor.

But we cannot compete with labor in countries that have no OSHA, no EPA, no unions and slave wages, dumbass.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I did not let the criminality of the corporation I worked for stop me from attaining my goals.

What laws did that corporation break, *****?

The law at that time prohibitted laying off Americans while keeping H1-Bs if they all did the same job.

Dumbfuck.

 

[Unkotare]

'They have to share! They owe me a job!' What the **** is that? Your emoting about Indonesian labor conditions has nothing to do with this topic.

And your emotional blathering does?.

How is your crying about how you are owed a job and "sharing" in any way "emotional blathering" from me? You are confused, *****.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Maybe you failed to compete because you are such a whiny little *****.

**** you you greedy theif.

Guess what? I did get another job and I am doing fairly well.

Then you can quit your whining, *****. And just what does your fevered little pea brain think I stole, *****?

Lol, anything you could get away with, like any other liar.

 

[JimBowie1958]

'They have to share! They owe me a job!' What the **** is that? Your emoting about Indonesian labor conditions has nothing to do with this topic.

And your emotional blathering does?.

How is your crying about how you are owed a job and "sharing" in any way "emotional blathering" from me? You are confused, *****.

I never cried about anyone owing me a job, fucktard.

Criminy, you know you can pretend to be that stupid if you want, as though you cant comprehend what I am talking about, but it just makes you look stupid as well as venal and vile.

I pitty the pople that have to work with you.

I'd bet that they have you thinking that they really like you and all that smoke, blown right up your ass. But they really despise you and think you are a total asshole, I'd bet.

Poor wittle dumbass, boo hoo.

ROFLMAO

 

[Unkotare]

I did not let the criminality of the corporation I worked for stop me from attaining my goals.

What laws did that corporation break, *****?

The law at that time prohibitted laying off Americans while keeping H1-Bs if they all did the same job.

Dumbfuck.

You being fired for being an incompetent loser does not fall under any such prohibition. Grow up and face your personal shortcomings, *****.

 

[Unkotare]

You mean we cant do it even though the Indians, Chinese, and European ALL do it successfully?

Please....

ALL do 'what' successfully?

Good greif, you think that pretending to not understand me gets you anything?

Are you afraid to answer, *****?

 

[Unkotare]

I never cried about anyone owing me a job, fucktard.

It's right there in black and white, you incompetent loser.

 

[Unkotare]

Americans are the most efficient labor force int he world.

That's what I say, *****. You are confused.

Efficient as in value added per hour of labor.

But we cannot compete with labor in countries that have no OSHA, no EPA, no unions and slave wages, dumbass.

We are talking about workers who come to the US and therefore DO compete under those conditions, you brain dead, whiny loser.

 

[Unkotare]

**** you you greedy theif.

Guess what? I did get another job and I am doing fairly well.

Then you can quit your whining, *****. And just what does your fevered little pea brain think I stole, *****?

Lol, anything you could get away with, like any other liar.

Try to be a bit more specific, loser.

 

[Unkotare]

Enjoy your time while you have it, thief. The public is waking up and after the shit hits the fan in the next year or so, Wall Street theives wont have the cash to keep buying all the politicians off.

Then fucktards like you will get some 'justice'.

And I will be laughing my ass off when theives like you come crawling begging people to have some pitty.

nope.

Is there supposed to be some kind of 'threat' in there, miss? Do you even care to try and figure out what the hell you think you are talking about, miss?

 

[Toro]

No, not fiction.

And this sitty ass economy is in part the direct result of displacing Americans from middle class paying jobs and replacing them with foreign indentured servants.

H1-B's cannot change jobs because by the time the paperwork can go through the company hiring him would fire him as soon as the paperwork got to them and the ICE would have him deported.

I worked with a lot of foreign H1-Bs prior to 2000 when the Y2K 'crisis' had the whole IT engineering industry in a massive hiring binge. Those guys even then could not change jobs and I heard that from them all the time. I knew many Indians from Hyderabad who had babies and toddlers they couldnt get health care for since the company they worked for would not give them insurance and they did not make enough to buy it themselves. They despeately wanted to change jobs but they were stuck.

And these companies that bring the H1-B's over here are notorious for using fraudulent resumes for these people, and often times work with the company planning to hire the H1-B to tailor the job description to the H1-Bs resume so they can justify passing over the more expensive American citizen.

That you respond with an unsupported statement shows the evidence to back up your claims to be irrelevant or nonexistant. Else, why not go into a little detail?

I had an H visa.

That explains alot.




Good luck with that though I hope you plan to get that citizenship because you love our nation and its freedoms and not simply so you can exploit it to make more profit.



Nor an H1-B either, duh.




Are you really arguing that the typical H1-B is over here generating $80 million?

Obviously you are an exceptional case, and the kind of person the H1-B was originally set up for. that does not apply to every H1-B across the board.

We have over 1 million engineers in this country who are citizens and who cant find work while an equal number of H1-Bs are here doing the jobs the Americans could have done with a little training. most of the H1-Bs get that same training anyway as companies try to keep their talent up to date.

The H1-B visa was not meant to displace American workers and that is what it is being abused for.

I can't speak to the resumes but I can speak to the job tailoring. Blame the Congress for that one. That occurs because the company wants a specific individual, so they tailor the job to that individual's resume.

And why do they want that specific individual? BECAUSE HE COSTS THEM ALMOST HALF WHAT HIS AMERICAN COUNTERPART WOULD. That is what the law is trying to prevent, so no, I dont blame congress for anything except FAILING to adequately prptect AMerican citizens.

In this globalized world, where talent can go to wherever they are most welcomed and appreciated, that has never been more true than now.

Bullshit. Every other country in the world protects its labor force from exploitation by cheap foreign labor, to include India, China, Indonesia and all the rest that we suck the cheap labor from.

We could add to this a list of other topics that Congress fails to protect us on like the cost of pharmaceuticals, barriers to unionization and off shoring.

Look how quickly and to what extent that Congress protects the entertainment industry, passing the most absurd laws and considering even worse bilge.

The could do this if they wanted to, but too much money is clouding their judgement.

The time is coming when the value of that money simply will not exist any more.

I'm sure there is always going to abuse somewhere. The creation of the H visa was a compromise that arose out of a gap in the immigration system because jobs were going unfulfilled. I worked in a place like that, though we couldn't find accountants. Literally, openings would go unfulfilled for years. During the boom in the 90s, there was reportedly over half a million unemployed engineers, yet technology companies were scrambling for talent. That's why a large well-known Silicon Valley company was so desperate to hire my friend (who now runs his own business in NoCal, employing Americans), a guy who finished bottom of his class with a degree in basket-weaving.

Companies are going to go to where the talent is located. If the talent is cheaper overseas, that is where they are going to go. It's better to have them here. The economy is driven by technological innovation. Something like over half the PhDs in the sciences and mathematics in this country are awarded to foreigners. Supposedly, a third of all companies started in Silicon Valley are started by people who weren't born here. Large companies threatened to move when Congress hesitated on renewing the allocation of H visas because they rely heavily on talent from abroad.

After spending nearly nine years in it, I can say that without a doubt, the US immigration system is an archaic anachronism that needs to be reformed. It discourages talented people from coming here. We have to make it easier for people to come here, not harder. In a world where economic wealth is created by innovation and brainpower, and where talent is welcomed elsewhere, America looking inward and closing its borders is a recipe for stagnation and decline.