Guns and Assault Rifles are not the Problem, mentally ill people with Guns and assault rifles are the problem.

[Nuthin' Fancy]

We have literally thousands of state and federal gun laws on the books.

Which ones do you want to "fix"?

Semi-automatic, military-style, large capacity magazine weapons.
The weapons the military uses for close proximity use, that were "upgraded" for civilian use.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Guns are not a part of the equation at all. The one and only issue is nutballs and criminals should be treated like what they are and kept separate from society.

And yet again – you and others on the right refuse to address the issue of mental illness responsible for gun crime and violence.

Indeed, not only do conservatives refuse to address the issue, they actively engage in efforts to make it more difficult for those mentally ill to seek treatment.

As long as Republicans continue to defund mental health programs and refuse to expand Medicaid, the right’s “it’s mental illness not the guns” argument is devoid of merit.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Or again, expand state Medicaid as authorized by the ACA.

Of course, Republican-controlled states refuse to do so for purely partisan reasons, leaving thousands without access to affordable mental healthcare.

Medicaid still beats the crap out of both Obamacare ("the ACA") and Medicare here in PA. And this is a State that gives a crap about HC. Far more than most.

Expanding Medicaid has been a no-brainer option available to the States for years. It's unfortunately not enough even where expanded. The private behemoths have been busy taking over both Medicaid and Medicare. Now us seniors even get to pay extra into Medicare for that honor. The major private leeches all need to go.

 

[Winco]

Ladders kill 300 people a year

Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 people a year.

How is it that a 'Ladder' or a "Lawn Mower' can kill, but a gun can't?

Guns don't kill people, but Ladders do.

 

[Failzero]

of course if they are threatening people they can be arrested,, its stupid to bring that up,,,

if a person doesnt threaten anyone does that person get their day in court before their guns are taken or after

Not if they are a prohibited person .

 

[Failzero]

The OP is right. We need to find a way to lock up mentally ill people.

And if they are not
In jail or Mental Facility for what ever reason then they should not slip through cracks ( Nutjob loophole ) and pass muster on a 4473 Form & BGC . ( Like 6 outta 10 of the mass shooters in the last 15 years

 

[Failzero]

In that case, the neighbors file a complaint, the DA goes to court WITH the gun owner’s lawyer and the insane neighbor is put on a 72 hour psych hold while he is interviewed by a qualified psychiatrist. If he’s determined to be a danger to himself or others, he is committed for treatment. During this process he is in custody and has no ability to harm anyone. There is no need to confiscate his guns.

The way it works, is once the authorities get their hands on a person’s guns, it’s almost impossible to get them back. The owner has to spend thousands of bucks on legal fees and months or years in court proceedings that may or may not be successful in regaining his property. Red flag laws are easily abused by spiteful ex-spouses, angry neighbors, irate ex-employees or abusive law enforcement personnel.

Same way HIPPA laws shield Nutjobs from loosing their Nutjob loophole in Gun Purchases

 

[Failzero]

Semi-automatic, military-style, large capacity magazine weapons.
The weapons the military uses for close proximity use, that were "upgraded" for civilian use.

If they are Civilian then they are not upgraded , they are Sporting .

 

[Winco]

The way it works, is once the authorities get their hands on a person’s guns, it’s almost impossible to get them back. The owner has to spend thousands of bucks on legal fees and months or years in court proceedings that may or may not be successful in regaining his property.

Tough shit.
Say threatening stuff, it has consequences.

 

[Ralph Norton]

100% of mass shootings have one thing in common.
Guns.

No, they have TWO things in common:
Someone pulled the trigger (multiple times).

 

[Failzero]

Tough shit.
Say threatening stuff, it has consequences.

And see 2 Shrinks and a Psychologist who prescribe you SSRIs and be a Marine psyche Washout and have 2 recent 51/50s then one of those consequences should be loss of 2/A RTKBA and no ability to pass muster on a 4473 Form .

 

[Winco]

We have a legal means of proving a person to be mentally ill.

We already have a legal means of adjudicating a person to be mentally ill. It is a difficult process , as it should be.

In the meantime, after the threat and before seeing the Judge,
he kills your family.

Thank goodness for not infringing on his rights.
But your family is now dead.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

If they are Civilian then they are not upgraded

Do you know what these signify " "? Around a word?

, they are Sporting .

"Sporting"?

 

[Failzero]

In the meantime, after the threat and before seeing the Judge,
he kills your family.

Thank goodness for not infringing on his rights.
But your family is now dead.

Automatic waiver of HIPPA rights and mandated Drug Screening for SSRIs and Illegal Drugs with EVERY 4474 Form

 

[Blues Man]

Individuals cannot vote without first registering to vote to document citizenship; and in many jurisdictions a citizen must provide a specific, state approved ID to exercise the right to vote.

Government may require permits for public gatherings, speeches, and demonstrations.

Prerequisites to exercising a fundamental right are not unprecedented.

You think that is the same thing as requiring people to pay for gun classes as a prerequisite to exercising a right? And you only need permits to gather on public property.

If you were charged when you register to vote or if you were forced to pay for a class in order to vote you would be OK with that?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

No, they have TWO things in common:
Someone pulled the trigger (multiple times).

Yes, its a deadly combination. We aint getting rid of people so........

 

[Blues Man]

Already told you - get a gun license test done - just as a driver license.

And I already told you that it is unconstitutional to require citizens to pay in order to exercise a right.

No one has the right to drive on publicly owned roads but everyone has the right to keep and bear firearms for lawful purposes.

see the difference?

 

[Blues Man]

Semi-automatic, military-style, large capacity magazine weapons.
The weapons the military uses for close proximity use, that were "upgraded" for civilian use.

Never gonna happen. Semiautomatic rifles have been considered to be civilian weapons for well over 100 years.

 

[Blues Man]

In the meantime, after the threat and before seeing the Judge,
he kills your family.

Thank goodness for not infringing on his rights.
But your family is now dead.

And?

A person might rape your wife so what do we do with all those men who have penises?

 

[progressive hunter]

Teabaggers have no problem banning books, libraries, school boards, election boards, polling places, free speech, school course, colleges etc. without due process, that teabaggers claim nut jobs should have.

how do you think due process works???