Gun traffickers can pass any background check, they are not normal gun owners.....

[Cardinal Carminative]

No you weren't. I've yet to see a gun control nut state what their acceptable level of gun violence and gun accidents was.

Maybe the better question is: how many is "OK" for you? Just tell us how many innocent Americans should die just going to the store or the theater or school each week. Then we can tell their families that they should ask you for a card.

 

[ding]

Maybe the better question is: how many is "OK" for you? Just tell us how many innocent Americans should die just going to the store or the theater or school each week. Then we can tell their families that they should ask you for a card.

None are acceptable to me. That's why we have laws to deter them, dear. But there are no amount that would ever make me punish people for crimes they didn't commit.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

None are acceptable to me.

Good to hear.

That's why we have laws to deter them, dear.

Criminals gonna criminal, dontcha know.

But there are no amount that would ever make me punish people for crimes they didn't commit.

Sure there are! You're an American. We lock up thousands of innocent people all the time! LOL!

 

[ding]

Maybe the better question is: how many is "OK" for you? Just tell us how many innocent Americans should die just going to the store or the theater or school each week. Then we can tell their families that they should ask you for a card.

So... what is the level of gun violence and gun accidents you would accept that would make you stop pushing for more gun control laws?

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

So... what is the level of gun violence and gun accidents you would accept that would make you stop pushing for more gun control laws?

I don't know. I just know that right now I'm not as proud of America's off-the-charts levels of gun homicide rates as most gun advocates are.

Personally I don't see a whole lotta need for a gun given that I'm more likely to have it used against me than protecting myself John Wayne style. Don't get me wrong. I actually think guns are cool pieces of equipment. Always have. Since I got my first .410 when I was a kid. But I'm no longer a hunter (never really enjoyed it that much) and I doubt my ability to actually shoot someone if I needed to.

I get that other people feel the need to have a gun and that's fine. But we should probably have many more limits on how many guns you can have (so no one develops a small armory that is ripe for the theivin') and we should know who has a gun (registry).

Overall I think America needs a hard-reset on their relationship with guns. Too many folks are just little boys acting out fantasies of Western movies.

 

[ding]

I don't know. I just know that right now I'm not as proud of America's off-the-charts levels of gun homicide rates as most gun advocates are.

Personally I don't see a whole lotta need for a gun given that I'm more likely to have it used against me than protecting myself John Wayne style. Don't get me wrong. I actually think guns are cool pieces of equipment. Always have. Since I got my first .410 when I was a kid. But I'm no longer a hunter (never really enjoyed it that much) and I doubt my ability to actually shoot someone if I needed to.

I get that other people feel the need to have a gun and that's fine. But we should probably have many more limits on how many guns you can have (so no one develops a small armory that is ripe for the theivin') and we should know who has a gun (registry).

Overall I think America needs a hard-reset on their relationship with guns. Too many folks are just little boys acting out fantasies of Western movies.

It's possible there is no level you will ever accept and that as long as men of ill will do bad things you will always push for ever increasing levels of gun control up to and including banning and confiscating all firearms.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

It's possible there is no level you will ever accept

So the ONLY choices in your world are "0" and "A record level"?

That's great.

and that as long as men of ill will do bad things you will always push for ever increasing levels of gun control up to and including banning and confiscating all firearms.

Just like you do. You like laws against criminals don't you? (I assume you aren't one of those wack-job NAP/ZAP Libertarianoids).

What are your feelings on laws?

 

[ding]

So the ONLY choices in your world are "0" and "A record level"?

That's great.



Just like you do. You like laws against criminals don't you? (I assume you aren't one of those wack-job NAP/ZAP Libertarianoids).

What are your feelings on laws?

That's a weird way of looking at it. Just remember... you won't go on record stating the acceptable level of gun violence and gun accidents that it would take for you to stop pushing for more gun control laws.

If men were angels there would be no need for governments or laws but since men aren't angels governments and laws are necessary evils. The problem with legal positivism is that it is based upon the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law which leads to people only following the letter of the law and inevitable unending loopholes that require more and more laws. Nothing wrong with laws. It's men of ill will and low more standards that are the problem.

 

[2aguy]

Maybe the better question is: how many is "OK" for you? Just tell us how many innocent Americans should die just going to the store or the theater or school each week. Then we can tell their families that they should ask you for a card.

well……over 39,000 people die in cars every year, about 5,000 kids…..so we could start there….

Meanwhile, we had a total of six mass public shootings in 2021…..total killed 43

Hmmmmm….which number is bigger?

 

[2aguy]

I don't know. I just know that right now I'm not as proud of America's off-the-charts levels of gun homicide rates as most gun advocates are.

Personally I don't see a whole lotta need for a gun given that I'm more likely to have it used against me than protecting myself John Wayne style. Don't get me wrong. I actually think guns are cool pieces of equipment. Always have. Since I got my first .410 when I was a kid. But I'm no longer a hunter (never really enjoyed it that much) and I doubt my ability to actually shoot someone if I needed to.

I get that other people feel the need to have a gun and that's fine. But we should probably have many more limits on how many guns you can have (so no one develops a small armory that is ripe for the theivin') and we should know who has a gun (registry).

Overall I think America needs a hard-reset on their relationship with guns. Too many folks are just little boys acting out fantasies of Western movies.

Yeah….you are a gun grabber.
Tell tale gun grabbing signs…..cares how many guns law abiding people have…..wants gun registration…..the first step to gun banning and confiscation

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Yeah….you are a gun grabber.

Well, I want YOURS, specifically, but you know....

Tell tale gun grabbing signs…..cares how many guns law abiding people have

Oh I really wanna put the screws to honest law-abiding citizens. That's how we roll here in Librulville.

…..wants gun registration

Registering a dangerous good is so SILLY! That's why we love it!

…..the first step to gun banning and confiscation

Oh, we don't use "steps". We just slide in headfirst. Take all your guns and THEN we will force you to gay-marry someone and you'll be forced to have a GENDER RE-ASSIGNMENT SURGERY (without anasthesia) and then you'll be found to have violated the law about the forced gay marriage since now you are different genders! So we throw you in prison where you will be forced to watch the Ellen Degeneres show all day every day!

And don't get me started on the math textbooks we are planning!

 

[2aguy]

I don't know. I just know that right now I'm not as proud of America's off-the-charts levels of gun homicide rates as most gun advocates are.

Personally I don't see a whole lotta need for a gun given that I'm more likely to have it used against me than protecting myself John Wayne style. Don't get me wrong. I actually think guns are cool pieces of equipment. Always have. Since I got my first .410 when I was a kid. But I'm no longer a hunter (never really enjoyed it that much) and I doubt my ability to actually shoot someone if I needed to.

I get that other people feel the need to have a gun and that's fine. But we should probably have many more limits on how many guns you can have (so no one develops a small armory that is ripe for the theivin') and we should know who has a gun (registry).

Overall I think America needs a hard-reset on their relationship with guns. Too many folks are just little boys acting out fantasies of Western movies.

For me? I am not proud of Europe murdering 15 million men, women and children after first taking their guns….on the promise that giving up their guns would make them safer…..

I am not proud of Russia murdering 25 million…..China murdering 70 million…..the Cambodian mass murder or the Armenian mass murder….

many one of those acts by governments is more murder than 82 years of gun murder….criminals killing criminals…in the U.S…….

Spare us your preaching about the U.S.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

well……over 39,000 people die in cars every year, about 5,000 kids…..so we could start there….

BAN ALL THE CARS! That sounds super cool. And it will save the environment too! It's a TWOFER!

Meanwhile, we had a total of six mass public shootings in 2021…..total killed 43

Gosh that sounds wrong. But if you say so then I'll believe that 6 = 693 (the actual number of mass shootings in 2021) and 43=703 (the actual number of dead people from those mass shootings in 2021).

New math is so cool!

Hmmmmm….which number is bigger?

Well given that now 6=693 and 43 = 703 I'm going to have to get out the ol' abacus to figgur out what numbers are bigger and smaller in general!

 

[2aguy]

BAN ALL THE CARS! That sounds super cool. And it will save the environment too! It's a TWOFER!



Gosh that sounds wrong. But if you say so then I'll believe that 6 = 693 (the actual number of mass shootings in 2021) and 43=703 (the actual number of dead people from those mass shootings in 2021).

New math is so cool!



Well given that now 6=693 and 43 = 703 I'm going to have to get out the ol' abacus to figgur out what numbers are bigger and smaller in general!

Okay...now I am going to school you by posting actual information...please do not bitch because I post the information......

US mass shootings, 1982–2022: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2021...6
2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation




330 million Americans......how many committed mass public shootings in 2021....

6

How many did they murder....

43

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...

So....6 people in a country of over 330 million committed mass public shootings....and for this, you think we should ban 600 million guns...?


Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

For me? I am not proud of Europe murdering 15 million men, women and children after first taking their guns

That's a great canard. Top shelf.

If Prezident For Life Biden wanted your guns, he'd take your guns. Your guns are no match for the US military and Americans aren't as "battlehardened" as insurrectionists and terrorists like the Taliban who have lived in caves for decades now.

So let's dispense with the exciting imaginary threats you see coming.

….on the promise that giving up their guns would make them safer…..

I kinda doubt that Hitler sold his initial gun laws (aimed exclusively at the Jews' ability to own guns, not all Germans) was "sold" to them in any way. I don't think the Nazis cared what the Jews thought.

many one of those acts by governments is more murder than 82 years of gun murder….criminals killing criminals…in the U.S…….

Spare us your preaching about the U.S.

So in return for a "safe" society that isn't like the Khmer Rouge we have to ACCEPT world-leading levels of gun homicides?

I don't think that's necessarily the only choice we have.

 

[2aguy]

BAN ALL THE CARS! That sounds super cool. And it will save the environment too! It's a TWOFER!



Gosh that sounds wrong. But if you say so then I'll believe that 6 = 693 (the actual number of mass shootings in 2021) and 43=703 (the actual number of dead people from those mass shootings in 2021).

New math is so cool!



Well given that now 6=693 and 43 = 703 I'm going to have to get out the ol' abacus to figgur out what numbers are bigger and smaller in general!

And you are a moron....you are a gun grabber....you have sucked up all the anti-gun propaganda, now you play the....I just want common sense gun control B.S.............

 

[2aguy]

That's a great canard. Top shelf.

If Prezident For Life Biden wanted your guns, he'd take your guns. Your guns are no match for the US military and Americans aren't as "battlehardened" as insurrectionists and terrorists like the Taliban who have lived in caves for decades now.

So let's dispense with the exciting imaginary threats you see coming.



I kinda doubt that Hitler sold his initial gun laws (aimed exclusively at the Jews' ability to own guns, not all Germans) was "sold" to them in any way. I don't think the Nazis cared what the Jews thought.



So in return for a "safe" society that isn't like the Khmer Rouge we have to ACCEPT world-leading levels of gun homicides?

I don't think that's necessarily the only choice we have.

And the next anti-gun fanatic position......

Armed Americans couldn't resist the U.S. government...

Wow....haven't heard that one before........please, you need to explain that to the Vietnamese, and most Recently the Afghanistani mujahadeen.........

 

[2aguy]

That's a great canard. Top shelf.

If Prezident For Life Biden wanted your guns, he'd take your guns. Your guns are no match for the US military and Americans aren't as "battlehardened" as insurrectionists and terrorists like the Taliban who have lived in caves for decades now.

So let's dispense with the exciting imaginary threats you see coming.



I kinda doubt that Hitler sold his initial gun laws (aimed exclusively at the Jews' ability to own guns, not all Germans) was "sold" to them in any way. I don't think the Nazis cared what the Jews thought.



So in return for a "safe" society that isn't like the Khmer Rouge we have to ACCEPT world-leading levels of gun homicides?

I don't think that's necessarily the only choice we have.

I kinda doubt that Hitler sold his initial gun laws (aimed exclusively at the Jews' ability to own guns, not all Germans) was "sold" to them in any way. I don't think the Nazis cared what the Jews thought.

He didn't...you gun grabbing fascist....the Weimar Government sold the gun grabbing for safety lie in the 1920s when they began to ban and register guns......the national socialists simply used the registration lists created in the 20s to disarm the people they planned on murdering...

You know, the gun registration lists that you support...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

And you are a moron

That's the beauty of it! I'm an absolute moron! I'm about as dumb as a box of hammers! LOL. The only problem is my vote counts as much as yours!

Isn't democracy fun?

....you are a gun grabber.

"All the time they want to take your gat
The gun grabbers (gun grabbers)
(They smilin' in your buns)
All the time, they want to take your guns
The gun grabbers (gun grabbers)
All you fellas who have someone and you really care, yeah, yeah
Then it's all of you fellas who better beware, yeah, yeah"

...you have sucked up all the anti-gun propaganda, now you play the....I just want common sense gun control B.S.............

Nope. Common sense is not part of the conversation with you lot.

 

[2aguy]

That's a great canard. Top shelf.

If Prezident For Life Biden wanted your guns, he'd take your guns. Your guns are no match for the US military and Americans aren't as "battlehardened" as insurrectionists and terrorists like the Taliban who have lived in caves for decades now.

So let's dispense with the exciting imaginary threats you see coming.



I kinda doubt that Hitler sold his initial gun laws (aimed exclusively at the Jews' ability to own guns, not all Germans) was "sold" to them in any way. I don't think the Nazis cared what the Jews thought.



So in return for a "safe" society that isn't like the Khmer Rouge we have to ACCEPT world-leading levels of gun homicides?

I don't think that's necessarily the only choice we have.

We don't accept the levels of gun murder in democrat party controlled cities...but the people who vote for democrats seem to want those levels to stay high.......the democrat party is attacking the police as policy....and releasing the most violent, most dangerous criminals over and over again....