XponentialChaos
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No, you aren’t. Do you know what “how many” means?
I’ll be happy to walk you through this if you desperately want to avoid answering the question.
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I’ll be happy to walk you through this if you desperately want to avoid answering the question.
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That would have been a great answer had you left it at that.
How many pulled out a rental truck instead?
Sure it does. Large trucks driven into crowds at high speeds are far deadlier than guns.
Yes, but so what? Who cares what method they use?
Sure it does. More people died in that single incident than died in any single gun massacre.
Why does it matter?
I mean, I guess it's interesting trivia. But so what?
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The method they are more likely to use is guns which indicates that that is what needs to be addressed, if anything.
I do not perceive any need to address which method murderers use to commit their crimes. Murder to me is equally bad no matter which method is used to carry it out.
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Of course you don't perceive any need to address which method of murder people are using to murder as many people as possible.
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No...the good thing is they don't realize how deadly Trucks are....more deadly than rifles, pistols or shotguns....and you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to get one, no background check, no police scrutiny....
the Blm black guy who murdered the white people at the Christmas parade murdered 6 people with just a car...the same as the left wing Chines Communist guy who murdered 6 Taiwanese people with a gun.....
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And again.....a rental Truck murdered more people than in every mass public shooting in the U.S. .......and more people than the total number of people murdered for each year since 1982 except for two years.....
Trucks are more deadly than rifles, pistols, or shotguns......
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The data doesn’t agree with your argument which is why you keep avoiding the question I asked you.
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And again, you keep avoiding the question I asked you. Even your fellow gun enthusiast was able to admit that guns are used more often in deadly attacks. Why can’t you admit the obvious?
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Because the killers don't understand that trucks can kill far more people......without background checks, without the cost, and with less time needed...
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The data doesn't agree with you. Here are the vehicle attacks in the United States over the last 20 years.
New York City Truck Attack (2017): 8 deaths and 12 injured
Charlottesville Attack (2017): 1 death and 35 injured
Ohio State University Attack (2016): 0 deaths and 13 injured
UNC SUV Attack (2006): 0 deaths and 9 injured
There's a reason murderers don't use vehicles to kill large amounts of people - because it's not as effective.
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In 1982 there was a total of 8 deaths from mass public shootings......then the killers began to study other killers and they changed their tactics....
The muslim terrorist in France killed 86 people...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S., more than the total number killed in each complete year of mass public shootings except for two.....
I noticed you forgot to include the Christmas day attack by the black racist....6 killed...as many killed by the left wing, Chinese communist last week in California....
And....of course....you didn't want us to see the actual list........
- 2016 Nice truck attack, France (86 killed ramming people and gunfire)
- 2016 Berlin truck attack, Germany (shooting truck driver and ramming people; 13 killed)
- 2017 Jerusalem truck attack, Israel (ramming people; 4 killed)
- January 2017 Melbourne car attack, Australia (Ramming people, 6 killed).
- 2017 Westminster attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming and stabbing; some victims were thrown off Westminster Bridge by the ramming; 5 killed)
- 2017 Stockholm truck attack, Sweden (ramming people; 5 killed)
- 2017 London Bridge attack, England, United Kingdom (ramming and stabbing; 8 killed)[33]
- 2017 Finsbury Park attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming people; 1 killed)
- June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack, Paris, France (ramming a police car; 1 attacker killed)
- 2017 Levallois-Perret attack, Levallois-Perret, France (ramming soldiers; none killed)
- 2017 Barcelona attacks, Barcelona, Spain (ramming, stabbing and bombings; 16 killed 152 injured)[34]
- 2017 New York City truck attack (ramming cyclists and runners; 8 killed)[35]
Vehicle-ramming attack - Wikipedia
The number of people killed is about the same as the average mass public shooting attack.......and again, 86 is higher than all mass public shooting deaths......for entire years except for two....
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The data for American vehicle attacks shows that you’re wrong. They’re not very effective at killing large amounts of people.In 1982 there was a total of 8 deaths from mass public shootings......then the killers began to study other killers and they changed their tactics....
The muslim terrorist in France killed 86 people...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S., more than the total number killed in each complete year of mass public shootings except for two.....
I noticed you forgot to include the Christmas day attack by the black racist....6 killed...as many killed by the left wing, Chinese communist last week in California....
And....of course....you didn't want us to see the actual list........
- 2016 Nice truck attack, France (86 killed ramming people and gunfire)
- 2016 Berlin truck attack, Germany (shooting truck driver and ramming people; 13 killed)
- 2017 Jerusalem truck attack, Israel (ramming people; 4 killed)
- January 2017 Melbourne car attack, Australia (Ramming people, 6 killed).
- 2017 Westminster attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming and stabbing; some victims were thrown off Westminster Bridge by the ramming; 5 killed)
- 2017 Stockholm truck attack, Sweden (ramming people; 5 killed)
- 2017 London Bridge attack, England, United Kingdom (ramming and stabbing; 8 killed)[33]
- 2017 Finsbury Park attack, London, England, United Kingdom (ramming people; 1 killed)
- June 2017 Champs-Élysées car ramming attack, Paris, France (ramming a police car; 1 attacker killed)
- 2017 Levallois-Perret attack, Levallois-Perret, France (ramming soldiers; none killed)
- 2017 Barcelona attacks, Barcelona, Spain (ramming, stabbing and bombings; 16 killed 152 injured)[34]
- 2017 New York City truck attack (ramming cyclists and runners; 8 killed)[35]
Vehicle-ramming attack - Wikipedia
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The number of people killed is about the same as the average mass public shooting attack.......and again, 86 is higher than all mass public shooting deaths......for entire years except for two....
Why is that?
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Really? Considering you didn't show all of them...they are just as deadly as the average mass public shooting when you look at the Mother Jones Mass public shooting data base......so either you didn't look or you are (clean debate zone ).
6 mass public shootings in 2021....
One of them had 10 deaths...the rest were under 10......vehicle attacks around the world killed more.....
the 2 mass public shootings in 2020.... 5 killed in one, 4 in the other.....the black racist murdered six in his Christmas parade attack....
You don't know what you are talking about.
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Around the world. You desperately seem to want to talk about vehicle attacks around the world.
Why is it that vehicle attacks in the United States aren’t as deadly? You can go ahead and answer that this time.
Shall I go ahead and ask again since you’re probably going to avoid answering?
Here you go. Why is it that vehicle attacks in the United States aren’t as deadly? Don’t run away this time.
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The last four vehicle attacks we had have resulted in a total of 9 deaths. Uvalde alone had 22 deaths.
Hmmm, but somehow vehicle attacks are more deadly.
Hmmm, but somehow vehicle attacks are more deadly.
By my reckoning the data agrees with him.
And vehicles are only one alternative to guns. Using gasoline to start a large fire in a crowded building is likely to be much deadlier than guns.
And, even if it had actually been the case that guns were the only way to kill a lot of people, we still have the right to have guns.
I've yet to see anyone explain why that even matters. So far as I can tell it is just a bit of random trivia.
86 people murdered with a truck:
2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia
Attacks in other countries are perfectly legitimate examples.
There is no magical law of nature that prevents such attacks from happening in the US.
I think vehicle attacks are as deadly. They just don't happen much because people in America who want to kill will usually use guns instead.
I don't think that removing guns and making murderers use alternative methods will make for any improvement. The victims will still be just as dead.
Not to mention the fact that guns can't be removed because people have the right to have them.
86 people murdered with a truck:
2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia
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No, it doesn’t.
The last four vehicle attacks we had have resulted in a total of 9 deaths. Uvalde alone had 22 deaths.
Americans are far more effective at killing with guns compared to vehicles. That’s just math.
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The mass public killers haven’t learned from the other attacks the way they have from other shooters
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