Gun Control - What's the Problem?

[BluesLegend]

What is the problem that most conservatives have with President Obama's Gun Control ideas?

He's a big fat liar as are most gun control advocates.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Three of the first four posts supply your answer all in the same way: the old Slippery Slope fallacy.

Post 11, as is his wont, prefers the Strawman.

The "slippery slope" argument is the one that I do not understand. Why oppose something that makes sense in fear of possible future proposals that may or may not take away your rights? Why not do what is right now in an effort to help a big problem (even if it just helps a little) and fight proposals that impede your rights if/when they are proposed?

Two questions:
Are you college aged?
And do you understand that confiscation of weapons can and does sometimes leads to a tyrannical government?

Why would you take that chance when our government has taken a chunk of control in the form of gov run healthcare?
Next comes the cashless society where they can monitor your purchases.
You already cant go anywhere without being recorded or tracked on a toll road.
It's getting to be to close to 1984 for my taste...

I am 36 and the odds of us facing a tyrannical US government is about as likely as seeing a unicorn. To be honest I find that argument to be the least valid. Lets go with the unlikely scenario that the government does decide to take over, do you honestly think that the citizens would stand a chance against the military? Take the arsenal of your choosing and you still do not stand a chance, that time has come and gone. Hundreds of years ago, I understand the argument. Living in a place like Syria, I understand the argument... Living in the USA in 2016... Your freedom is better defended with your voice and your vote than it is with your gun. Many of you with this old school way of thinking need to get with the times... You would better support your cause with a stronger argument. In my opinion

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

 

[Rustic]

Two questions:
Are you college aged?
And do you understand that confiscation of weapons can and does sometimes leads to a tyrannical government?

Why would you take that chance when our government has taken a chunk of control in the form of gov run healthcare?
Next comes the cashless society where they can monitor your purchases.
You already cant go anywhere without being recorded or tracked on a toll road.
It's getting to be to close to 1984 for my taste...

I am 36 and the odds of us facing a tyrannical US government is about as likely as seeing a unicorn. To be honest I find that argument to be the least valid. Lets go with the unlikely scenario that the government does decide to take over, do you honestly think that the citizens would stand a chance against the military? Take the arsenal of your choosing and you still do not stand a chance, that time has come and gone. Hundreds of years ago, I understand the argument. Living in a place like Syria, I understand the argument... Living in the USA in 2016... Your freedom is better defended with your voice and your vote than it is with your gun. Many of you with this old school way of thinking need to get with the times... You would better support your cause with a stronger argument. In my opinion

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

Millions have zero trust of the asshat sitting in the White House... After all he's just an career politician the lowest of life forms.

Lol

I'm not a fan of everything the President does but I do respect the fact that he wakes up everyday and does what he can to make our country a better place. He has devoted his life and his families life to it. Along with his efforts he has to fight and argue with people on all sides and in todays culture gets more resistance than respect or assistance. "Asshat" really?? Although it is a great term which I will use in other context, perhaps about the author Rustic... It is completely inappropriate to use about the Commander and Chief. It is embarrassing to see the degradation of character that we as people have digressed to... Which everybody would show a little more God Damn Respect... hmm hmm GOP

I give what any career politician deserves no matter the side, he had progressed the federal government to a banana republic.
Barry has zero understanding of the Second Amendment and his puppet masters know that so to respect that asshat? no thank you.

 

[Centinel]

"Gun Control - What's the Problem?"

Problems, actually.

Such as many on the right who are ignorance of Second Amendment jurisprudence, who refuse to accept the fact that the Second Amendment right is not absolute, and conservatives who contrive and propagate ridiculous lies about 'gun confiscation.'

None of congress' enumerated powers would permit them to enact a law criminalizing gun acquisition or possession.

 

[Slade3200]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

 

[Rustic]

 

[Centinel]

Why does the pro-gun base object to background checks and regulations that will make it harder for criminals or irresponsible individuals to own a gun? I just don't understand the argument. Please enlighten me.

Because none of congress' enumerated powers would allow it to enact a law criminalizing the acquisition or ownership of a gun. Therefore, I oppose any such law, either existing or proposed.

 

[Rustic]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

And you come across as the typical naive liberal who couldnt connect the dots in a million years.
Things are about to go south in this country,we have unsustainable debt and the job market sucks. How in the world you have any confidence in the future of America is beyond me.

 

[Rustic]

 

[Slade3200]

The "slippery slope" argument is the one that I do not understand. Why oppose something that makes sense in fear of possible future proposals that may or may not take away your rights? Why not do what is right now in an effort to help a big problem (even if it just helps a little) and fight proposals that impede your rights if/when they are proposed?

Two questions:
Are you college aged?
And do you understand that confiscation of weapons can and does sometimes leads to a tyrannical government?

Why would you take that chance when our government has taken a chunk of control in the form of gov run healthcare?
Next comes the cashless society where they can monitor your purchases.
You already cant go anywhere without being recorded or tracked on a toll road.
It's getting to be to close to 1984 for my taste...

I am 36 and the odds of us facing a tyrannical US government is about as likely as seeing a unicorn. To be honest I find that argument to be the least valid. Lets go with the unlikely scenario that the government does decide to take over, do you honestly think that the citizens would stand a chance against the military? Take the arsenal of your choosing and you still do not stand a chance, that time has come and gone. Hundreds of years ago, I understand the argument. Living in a place like Syria, I understand the argument... Living in the USA in 2016... Your freedom is better defended with your voice and your vote than it is with your gun. Many of you with this old school way of thinking need to get with the times... You would better support your cause with a stronger argument. In my opinion

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

Thanks for posting an intelligent argument and not just calling the Pres an asshat. I see the relationship between drugs and guns that you are talking about but the big difference is drugs are illegal and guns are not. When it comes to prescription meds there are ton of hoops you have jump through to get those, like seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. I just don't agree that Dems only want cops and criminals to have guns and even if that is the desire of some, that is not a realistic possibility and I don't see anybody rational leader proposing that. The measures that have been put on the table all make sense, but yet the pro-gunners fight tooth and nail against an invisible agenda of what they think will come in the future. If it is just about the issues proposed i'd think any responsible person, especially gun owners would support them. If not then please explain how they are harming your rights. I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm a gun owner, most of my friends are gun owners, but i'm confused... What is the problem that most conservatives have with President Obama's Gun Control ideas? I hear the speeches, read the plans, watched the town hall and listen to commentary on both sides until my ears bleed and I still don't understand the conservative position.

Everything that the President has suggested makes sense to me. I don't feel threatened about losing my guns, and I don't think that a responsible citizen's ability to buy a gun is being threatened. I think anything that helps keep guns out of the wrong hands is a good idea, it will save lives! The only point I hear from conservatives on why they object is that they think there is a hidden agenda by the Left to take away all guns. That is ridiculous, paranoid and unrealistic, there must be something more...

Why does the pro-gun base object to background checks and regulations that will make it harder for criminals or irresponsible individuals to own a gun? I just don't understand the argument. Please enlighten me.


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Oh look, another democrat attacking civil rights...

 

[PredFan]

I'm a gun owner, most of my friends are gun owners, but i'm confused... What is the problem that most conservatives have with President Obama's Gun Control ideas? I hear the speeches, read the plans, watched the town hall and listen to commentary on both sides until my ears bleed and I still don't understand the conservative position.

Everything that the President has suggested makes sense to me. I don't feel threatened about losing my guns, and I don't think that a responsible citizen's ability to buy a gun is being threatened. I think anything that helps keep guns out of the wrong hands is a good idea, it will save lives! The only point I hear from conservatives on why they object is that they think there is a hidden agenda by the Left to take away all guns. That is ridiculous, paranoid and unrealistic, there must be something more...

Why does the pro-gun base object to background checks and regulations that will make it harder for criminals or irresponsible individuals to own a gun? I just don't understand the argument. Please enlighten me.


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Then you really haven't listened or thought.

 

[Slade3200]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

And you come across as the typical naive liberal who couldnt connect the dots in a million years.
Things are about to go south in this country,we have unsustainable debt and the job market sucks. How in the world you have any confidence in the future of America is beyond me.

We live in a God Damn paradise compared to most in this world. Tell me, how's your typical day go, as you sit typing away at your computer, probably getting ready to watch your nightly TV show?? Are you fearing for your life on your way home for work? Searching for food or clean water? Bathing in other peoples shit? They have you so brainwashed about how bad we have it... Go to Africa, Asia, the Middle East, pick a country and see how they live day to day. You paint me as a crazy liberal but i actually lean more on the conservative side on most fiscal issues... I am just objective about it and take each situation at face value... I don't see many doing that with this subject

 

[Rustic]

Two questions:
Are you college aged?
And do you understand that confiscation of weapons can and does sometimes leads to a tyrannical government?

Why would you take that chance when our government has taken a chunk of control in the form of gov run healthcare?
Next comes the cashless society where they can monitor your purchases.
You already cant go anywhere without being recorded or tracked on a toll road.
It's getting to be to close to 1984 for my taste...

I am 36 and the odds of us facing a tyrannical US government is about as likely as seeing a unicorn. To be honest I find that argument to be the least valid. Lets go with the unlikely scenario that the government does decide to take over, do you honestly think that the citizens would stand a chance against the military? Take the arsenal of your choosing and you still do not stand a chance, that time has come and gone. Hundreds of years ago, I understand the argument. Living in a place like Syria, I understand the argument... Living in the USA in 2016... Your freedom is better defended with your voice and your vote than it is with your gun. Many of you with this old school way of thinking need to get with the times... You would better support your cause with a stronger argument. In my opinion

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

Thanks for posting an intelligent argument and not just calling the Pres an asshat. I see the relationship between drugs and guns that you are talking about but the big difference is drugs are illegal and guns are not. When it comes to prescription meds there are ton of hoops you have jump through to get those, like seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. I just don't agree that Dems only want cops and criminals to have guns and even if that is the desire of some, that is not a realistic possibility and I don't see anybody rational leader proposing that. The measures that have been put on the table all make sense, but yet the pro-gunners fight tooth and nail against an invisible agenda of what they think will come in the future. If it is just about the issues proposed i'd think any responsible person, especially gun owners would support them. If not then please explain how they are harming your rights. I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

The people wanting these things are nothing more than control freaks, and the government has no credibility on the subject. They work for us not the other way around.

The scariest thing in the world is the phrase - we are from the government and are here to help.

BTW there is no gun show loophole

 

[Rustic]

You guys are just embarrassing yourselves now... bunch of entitled, ungrateful, whiners... It really bothers me when all people do is bitch and complain as they sit around being useless... It just makes you part of the problem. Do any of you do ANYTHING to help better your community or others? If so, do you receive the pleasure of being ridiculed for your efforts like you do for the President?

You have helped me understand why I was confused about the argument... Apparently it's just a bunch of old school, close minded, protagonists that sit in judgement without an articulate, rational or logical reason for their unrest.

And you come across as the typical naive liberal who couldnt connect the dots in a million years.
Things are about to go south in this country,we have unsustainable debt and the job market sucks. How in the world you have any confidence in the future of America is beyond me.

We live in a God Damn paradise compared to most in this world. Tell me, how's your typical day go, as you sit typing away at your computer, probably getting ready to watch your nightly TV show?? Are you fearing for your life on your way home for work? Searching for food or clean water? Bathing in other peoples shit? They have you so brainwashed about how bad we have it... Go to Africa, Asia, the Middle East, pick a country and see how they live day to day. You paint me as a crazy liberal but i actually lean more on the conservative side on most fiscal issues... I am just objective about it and take each situation at face value... I don't see many doing that with this subject

Ya, we suck the least...

 

[Centinel]

I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

Okay, let's take "closing the gun show loophole". Can you give a rough idea of what legislation you think would close this loophole, and can you also specify which of congress' enumerated powers would permit them to enact such legislation?

 

[Slade3200]

I am 36 and the odds of us facing a tyrannical US government is about as likely as seeing a unicorn. To be honest I find that argument to be the least valid. Lets go with the unlikely scenario that the government does decide to take over, do you honestly think that the citizens would stand a chance against the military? Take the arsenal of your choosing and you still do not stand a chance, that time has come and gone. Hundreds of years ago, I understand the argument. Living in a place like Syria, I understand the argument... Living in the USA in 2016... Your freedom is better defended with your voice and your vote than it is with your gun. Many of you with this old school way of thinking need to get with the times... You would better support your cause with a stronger argument. In my opinion

Only a blithering idiot would think that all military personnel would back a socialist asshole as commander-in-chief and go against the people.
Now go hide

Only a paranoid fanatic is preparing for the next civil war. I hope you got your bunker fully stocked, because as you stock your arsenal preparing for the war that will never come, the majority of us are trying to do things that actually make a difference.

What is with all the references to the war on drugs?? I don't see the relation, that is a completely different subject.

No, not really. Recreational narcotics have been against the law as long as I've been alive. Yet the people that want drugs get them. That's the relationship.

It's the same way with guns. If Democrats had their dream which is to make all guns illegal, then only the criminal and police would have guns because the criminals are not about to give their guns up.

Thanks for posting an intelligent argument and not just calling the Pres an asshat. I see the relationship between drugs and guns that you are talking about but the big difference is drugs are illegal and guns are not. When it comes to prescription meds there are ton of hoops you have jump through to get those, like seeing a doctor and getting a prescription. I just don't agree that Dems only want cops and criminals to have guns and even if that is the desire of some, that is not a realistic possibility and I don't see anybody rational leader proposing that. The measures that have been put on the table all make sense, but yet the pro-gunners fight tooth and nail against an invisible agenda of what they think will come in the future. If it is just about the issues proposed i'd think any responsible person, especially gun owners would support them. If not then please explain how they are harming your rights. I'm talking about closing the gun show loophole, improving background checks and the database etc...

The people wanting these things are nothing more than control freaks, and the government has no credibility on the subject. They work for us not the other way around.

The scariest thing in the world is the phrase - we are from the government and are here to help.

BTW there is no gun show loophole

No gun show loophole?? Anybody with a drivers license can get a gun at a gun show with no BG check, they just have to orally answer 2 questions... It's way to easy. Is that how you want it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

We live in a God Damn paradise compared to most in this world.

And you democrats are determined to change that.

Tell me, how's your typical day go, as you sit typing away at your computer, probably getting ready to watch your nightly TV show?? Are you fearing for your life on your way home for work? Searching for food or clean water? Bathing in other peoples shit? They have you so brainwashed about how bad we have it... Go to Africa, Asia, the Middle East, pick a country and see how they live day to day. You paint me as a crazy liberal but i actually lean more on the conservative side on most fiscal issues... I am just objective about it and take each situation at face value... I don't see many doing that with this subject

Look, you came here attacking civil rights. The goal of the democratic - socialist party is to revoke the bill of rights. You have adopted a hard left stance of revoking basic civil liberty from others. You will be viewed as part of the anti-liberty left.

 

[Slade3200]

Gun culture in this country has gotten pretty far out there... its got me shaking my head and i'm a gun owner,. #embarrassing

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