Gun Control Compromise

[progressive hunter]

anyone that will compromise with "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is not a 2nd amendment supporter and should be ignored or given a swirly


OH and they are also a traitor

DC is full of traitors.

FROM potus ON DOWN

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You see, here would be my simple solution.

Allow the victims of gun violence or their survivors to sue the gun companies and gun sellers.

Betcha they make darn sure who they are selling to after that.

Sounds like a good idea. And while we’re at it, be able to sue those union auto companies every time some drunk gets behind the wheel and kills somebody. Or pool manufacturers every time somebody drowns in one of their pools.


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[progressive hunter]

You see, here would be my simple solution.

Allow the victims of gun violence or their survivors to sue the gun companies and gun sellers.

Betcha they make darn sure who they are selling to after that.

Sounds like a good idea. And while we’re at it, be able to sue those union auto companies every time some drunk gets behind the wheel and kills somebody. Or pool manufacturers every time somebody drowns in one of their pools.


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why does everyone harp on drunk drivers when they kill someone???

at least they have an excuse,,,

what about all those killed by sane sober drivers???

they have no excuse

 

[Pilot1]

22,000 unenforceable gun laws. The way the NRA designed them to be. Is it unconstitutional to ban the sale of guns in vending machines?

They are as enforceable as any other law, and the NRA is a very small lobbying group compared to Public Sector Unions, Teachers Unions (same thing), Media Matters, Act Blue, (all Soros) etc.

Guns have never been sold in vending machines, nor has that ever been recommended. It is illegal to sell a gun to someone under 21, or are you just being IGNORANT, and idiotic?

 

[CowboyTed]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

So lets get it you are you want to use not taking guns out of mentally ill and terrorist as a bargaining chip....

Na...

I will let you be the pro gun toting mentally ill and every terrorist deserves a gun party...

Good luck campaigning....

 

[Flash]

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Although Obamaphone Lady is dumber than a door knob she probably has a higher IQ than the average Obama voter.

 

[CowboyTed]

I suppose we could allow CC in Trump Rallies...

 

[progressive hunter]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

So lets get it you are you want to use not taking guns out of mentally ill and terrorist as a bargaining chip....

Na...

I will let you be the pro gun toting mentally ill and every terrorist deserves a gun party...

Good luck campaigning....

if we know they are terrorist then why are they still in the country walking free???

better to jail them., deport them or kill them,,,cause no law will stop them or criminals from getting guns

 

[Flash]

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22,000 unenforceable gun laws. The way the NRA designed them to be. Is it unconstitutional to ban the sale of guns in vending machines?

We should have vending machines for guns since it is a Constitutional right for all Americans to keep and bear arms. When the Bill of Rights very clearly says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed then there should be no government restrictions on purchasing them.

The crime should never be the possession of an arm. Our Bill of Rights says so.

 

[2aguy]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

This is a lie – as ignorant as it is wrong.

There has been no ‘chipping away’ of Second Amendment rights, ‘one sided’ or otherwise.

Indeed, it was a Republican-appointed, conservative Supreme Court majority that reaffirmed the fact that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and subject to regulation and restrictions by government.

And the courts have determined that current firearm regulatory measures are perfectly consistent with the Second Amendment, in no manner ‘chipping away’ at that right.

Everything you just posted is wrong and inaccurate.

The limits are some buildings, felons and the dangerously mentally ill...AR-15 rifles and standard magazines are protected by the 2nd Amendment, and lower courts ignoring the Heller, McDonald, Caetano, Miller rulings from the Supreme Court are breaking the law, not upholding the law.

 

[2aguy]

Registration is the frst step to confiscation. How it happened in other countries. Never negotiate.

And another rightwing ignoramus chimes in with ridiculous lies and a slippery slope fallacy.

Background checks in no manner require ‘registration.’

In jurisdictions with registration no firearms have been ‘confiscated.’

Yes...they do, you moron. If you have privately owned guns being transferred from one individual to another you can't know who originally owned the gun without registration.....which is the only reason anti gunners want universal background checks...so they can then demand universal gun registration.

 

[2aguy]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

How about this: we get strong gun control, you kids can have your silly wall.

You already have strong gun control..... what you need is to stop the democrat party from letting known, repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail on Bail, and out of prison on short sentences even for repeat violent gun offenses....that is what you need..

 

[2aguy]

We've already compromised our Rights with 22,000 restrictive gun laws already on the books. Also, sweeping Fed Laws like NFA 1934, and GCA 1968 are a travesty. States have passed extremely restrictive gun laws. ALL of them unconstitutional.

22,000 unenforceable gun laws. The way the NRA designed them to be. Is it unconstitutional to ban the sale of guns in vending machines?

You really are a moron...it isn't the NRA releasing violent criminals...it is the democrat party you doofus...over and over again the democrat party fights to allow violent criminals out of jail....

The NRA fights to keep violent gun criminals in jail, the democrat party fights to get them out of jail...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds


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Democrat prosecutor, letting violent criminals out of jail...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

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[2aguy]

You see, here would be my simple solution.

Allow the victims of gun violence or their survivors to sue the gun companies and gun sellers.

Betcha they make darn sure who they are selling to after that.

As soon as you can sue Ford, Toyota and Chevy when a drunk driver kills your family....you moron.

 

[2aguy]

I suppose we could allow CC in Trump Rallies...

They had them you moron.....at the Republican national convention they had concealed carry, they also had it at the NRA conventions where Trump and Pence showed up.....

 

[Crepitus]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

How about this: we get strong gun control, you kids can have your silly wall.

You already have strong gun control..... what you need is to stop the democrat party from letting known, repeat, violent gun offenders out of jail on Bail, and out of prison on short sentences even for repeat violent gun offenses....that is what you need..

Oh come on, be serious for once.

 

[progressive hunter]

I suppose we could allow CC in Trump Rallies...

They had them you moron.....at the Republican national convention they had concealed carry, they also had it at the NRA conventions where Trump and Pence showed up.....

your response might have more meaning if you didnt start it with name calling,,,

not saying youre wrong, it just shuts down the conversation before it starts

 

[Flash]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

This is a lie – as ignorant as it is wrong.

There has been no ‘chipping away’ of Second Amendment rights, ‘one sided’ or otherwise.

Indeed, it was a Republican-appointed, conservative Supreme Court majority that reaffirmed the fact that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and subject to regulation and restrictions by government.

And the courts have determined that current firearm regulatory measures are perfectly consistent with the Second Amendment, in no manner ‘chipping away’ at that right.

Everything you just posted is wrong and inaccurate.

The limits are some buildings, felons and the dangerously mentally ill...AR-15 rifles and standard magazines are protected by the 2nd Amendment, and lower courts ignoring the Heller, McDonald, Caetano, Miller rulings from the Supreme Court are breaking the law, not upholding the law.

It is a national disgrace that the courts do not apply the same strict scrutiny on our right to keep and bear arms like they apply strict scrutiny to all individual rights.

Most gun control laws are unconstitutional.

I suspect that once the old bag dies and Trump gets to appoint a clear Conservative majority Supreme Court there will be a flood of cases to correct the oppression that we see.

 

[progressive hunter]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

This is a lie – as ignorant as it is wrong.

There has been no ‘chipping away’ of Second Amendment rights, ‘one sided’ or otherwise.

Indeed, it was a Republican-appointed, conservative Supreme Court majority that reaffirmed the fact that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and subject to regulation and restrictions by government.

And the courts have determined that current firearm regulatory measures are perfectly consistent with the Second Amendment, in no manner ‘chipping away’ at that right.

Everything you just posted is wrong and inaccurate.

The limits are some buildings, felons and the dangerously mentally ill...AR-15 rifles and standard magazines are protected by the 2nd Amendment, and lower courts ignoring the Heller, McDonald, Caetano, Miller rulings from the Supreme Court are breaking the law, not upholding the law.

It is a national disgrace that the courts do not apply the same strict scrutiny on our right to keep and bear arms like they apply strict scrutiny to all individual rights.

Most gun control laws are unconstitutional.

I suspect that once the old bag dies and Trump gets to appoint a clear Conservative majority Supreme Court there will be a flood of cases to corrupt the oppression that we see.

all gun laws are unconstitutional

 

[Flash]

I see lefties frequently screech about how 2A supporters refuse to compromise. Well, that's because there's never BEEN a compromise, rather a one-sided chipping away of 2nd Amendment rights with nothing offered in return.

So here, I'll offer an actual compromise. You lefties want universal background checks? I can get behind that. But in exchange I want universal reciprocity on CCW permits.

Deal?

This is a lie – as ignorant as it is wrong.

There has been no ‘chipping away’ of Second Amendment rights, ‘one sided’ or otherwise.

Indeed, it was a Republican-appointed, conservative Supreme Court majority that reaffirmed the fact that the Second Amendment right is not unlimited and subject to regulation and restrictions by government.

And the courts have determined that current firearm regulatory measures are perfectly consistent with the Second Amendment, in no manner ‘chipping away’ at that right.

Everything you just posted is wrong and inaccurate.

The limits are some buildings, felons and the dangerously mentally ill...AR-15 rifles and standard magazines are protected by the 2nd Amendment, and lower courts ignoring the Heller, McDonald, Caetano, Miller rulings from the Supreme Court are breaking the law, not upholding the law.

It is a national disgrace that the courts do not apply the same strict scrutiny on our right to keep and bear arms like they apply strict scrutiny to all individual rights.

Most gun control laws are unconstitutional.

I suspect that once the old bag dies and Trump gets to appoint a clear Conservative majority Supreme Court there will be a flood of cases to corrupt the oppression that we see.

all gun laws are unconstitutional

The difference between "most" and "all" is very minimal in my opinion.

I suspect that if our Founding Fathers were sitting in a pub and drafting out the Second Amendment over lunch and there was a drunk banishing a gun they would disarm him and then go back to protecting our rights to keep and bear arms.