Gulf Stream Slowing Down

[Muhammed]

Deniers, insulting me won't make the science go away.

You'll keep trying, of course. After all, it's not like any of the science agrees with you, so what else can you do?

Dipshits like you don't know jack shit about science. You're just too ******* stupid.

 

[Muhammed]

"Of course, Rahmstorf and Mann don’t list Rossby’s study in their references, nor seem to use the “highly accurate” ADCP data. Instead they use a model along with [proxies, reconstructions, and] the highly interpolated GISS data to come to the conclusions they want. So, it isn’t surprising they are chasing phantoms in their study. They claim (in Figure 1 from their paper) that this cold spot south of Greenland is caused by meltwater from Greenland and it is evidence of a slowed circulation: "

This paper is falling apart and even alarmists are running from it and criticizing it.. Looks Like Mann is up a creek without a hockey schtick..

Duke University physicist Robert G. Brown, in comments noted:

Seriously — they found “good evidence” that such a slowing is occurring, only the actual evidence, consisting of the measured speed of the Gulf Stream itself, shows no such thing?

The cognitive dissonance involved is stupifying.

Source

Is there any evidence of the opposite, you stupid dumbass idiot!!!???!!!?

 

[Billy_Bob]

"Of course, Rahmstorf and Mann don’t list Rossby’s study in their references, nor seem to use the “highly accurate” ADCP data. Instead they use a model along with [proxies, reconstructions, and] the highly interpolated GISS data to come to the conclusions they want. So, it isn’t surprising they are chasing phantoms in their study. They claim (in Figure 1 from their paper) that this cold spot south of Greenland is caused by meltwater from Greenland and it is evidence of a slowed circulation: "

This paper is falling apart and even alarmists are running from it and criticizing it.. Looks Like Mann is up a creek without a hockey schtick..

Duke University physicist Robert G. Brown, in comments noted:

Seriously — they found “good evidence” that such a slowing is occurring, only the actual evidence, consisting of the measured speed of the Gulf Stream itself, shows no such thing?

The cognitive dissonance involved is stupifying.

Source

Is there any evidence of the opposite, you stupid dumbass idiot!!!???!!!?

I guess your incapable of reading the source that was provided... Adhoms to both sides or is that just a distraction from an idiot?

 

[Muhammed]

"Of course, Rahmstorf and Mann don’t list Rossby’s study in their references, nor seem to use the “highly accurate” ADCP data. Instead they use a model along with [proxies, reconstructions, and] the highly interpolated GISS data to come to the conclusions they want. So, it isn’t surprising they are chasing phantoms in their study. They claim (in Figure 1 from their paper) that this cold spot south of Greenland is caused by meltwater from Greenland and it is evidence of a slowed circulation: "

This paper is falling apart and even alarmists are running from it and criticizing it.. Looks Like Mann is up a creek without a hockey schtick..

Duke University physicist Robert G. Brown, in comments noted:

Seriously — they found “good evidence” that such a slowing is occurring, only the actual evidence, consisting of the measured speed of the Gulf Stream itself, shows no such thing?

The cognitive dissonance involved is stupifying.

Source

Is there any evidence of the opposite, you stupid dumbass idiot!!!???!!!?

I guess your incapable of reading the source that was provided... Adhoms to both sides or is that just a distraction from an idiot?

Unsupported assertions are not evidence, jackass!

 

[mamooth]

Again, the Rossby paper has been debunked,

Detecting changes in the transport of the Gulf Stream and the Atlantic overturning circulation from coastal sea level data The extreme decline in 2009 2010 and estimated variations for 1935 2012

The Rossby paper only represents the opinion of a few people. It's flagrantly dishonest cherrypicking to keep pretending Rossby represents the final word, so naturally that tactic is all Billy is capable of. But then, it's also all his WUWT masters are capable of.

The data is what is it is. It contradicts deniers, therefore deniers are doing what they do best, which is denying the data exists.

 

[IanC]

Again, the Rossby paper has been debunked,

Detecting changes in the transport of the Gulf Stream and the Atlantic overturning circulation from coastal sea level data The extreme decline in 2009 2010 and estimated variations for 1935 2012

The Rossby paper only represents the opinion of a few people. It's flagrantly dishonest cherrypicking to keep pretending Rossby represents the final word, so naturally that tactic is all Billy is capable of. But then, it's also all his WUWT masters are capable of.

The data is what is it is. It contradicts deniers, therefore deniers are doing what they do best, which is denying the data exists.

hahahahahaha.

NASA - NASA Study Finds Atlantic Conveyor Belt Not Slowing

NASA Study Finds Atlantic 'Conveyor Belt' Not Slowing

PASADENA, Calif. – New NASA measurements of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, part of the global ocean conveyor belt that helps regulate climate around the North Atlantic, show no significant slowing over the past 15 years. The data suggest the circulation may have even sped up slightly in the recent past.

The findings are the result of a new monitoring technique, developed by oceanographer Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., using measurements from ocean-observing satellites and profiling floats. The findings are reported in the March 25 issue of Geophysical Research Letters.

who you gonna believe? climate models and Mannian proxies, or direct and satellite observations of ocean circulation?

 

[Politico]

And you believe it is all because of man's activities, right?

What I believe is not relevant. What the science demonstrates is.

When you understand that, you will on your way to joining the reason-based community.

Kudos. At least you admit you are not relevant. No one has denied the climate changes. The Gulf stream is doing what it always has done. It slows down and speeds up. That is nature.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Again, the Rossby paper has been debunked,

Detecting changes in the transport of the Gulf Stream and the Atlantic overturning circulation from coastal sea level data The extreme decline in 2009 2010 and estimated variations for 1935 2012

The Rossby paper only represents the opinion of a few people. It's flagrantly dishonest cherrypicking to keep pretending Rossby represents the final word, so naturally that tactic is all Billy is capable of. But then, it's also all his WUWT masters are capable of.

The data is what is it is. It contradicts deniers, therefore deniers are doing what they do best, which is denying the data exists.

hahahahahaha.

NASA - NASA Study Finds Atlantic Conveyor Belt Not Slowing

NASA Study Finds Atlantic 'Conveyor Belt' Not Slowing

PASADENA, Calif. – New NASA measurements of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, part of the global ocean conveyor belt that helps regulate climate around the North Atlantic, show no significant slowing over the past 15 years. The data suggest the circulation may have even sped up slightly in the recent past.

The findings are the result of a new monitoring technique, developed by oceanographer Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., using measurements from ocean-observing satellites and profiling floats. The findings are reported in the March 25 issue of Geophysical Research Letters.

who you gonna believe? climate models and Mannian proxies, or direct and satellite observations of ocean circulation?

Another Mamooth FAIL in an EPIC WAY... /Thread DEAD

 

[Crick]

From the OP:

Maps of temperature trends over the twentieth century show a conspicuous region of cooling in the northern Atlantic. Here we present multiple lines of evidence suggesting that this cooling may be due to a reduction in the AMOC over the twentieth century and particularly after 1970. Since 1990 the AMOC seems to have partly recovered. This time evolution is consistently suggested by an AMOC index based on sea surface temperatures, by the hemispheric temperature difference, by coral-based proxies and by oceanic measurements. We discuss a possible contribution of the melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet to the slowdown. Using a multi-proxy temperature reconstruction for the AMOC index suggests that the AMOC weakness after 1975 is an unprecedented event in the past millennium (p > 0.99). Further melting of Greenland in the coming decades could contribute to further weakening of the AMOC.

This information is certainly worth not being discarded out of hand.

 

[IanC]

uh-oh

McIntyre has turned his baleful eye towards Rahmstorf2015. it's not going to be pretty.

Rahmstorf s First Trick Climate Audit

why did Mann and Rahmstorf end this graph in 1995, when they had data to 2006?

to hide the decline, oops incline, of course!!

(By showing this, I absolutely do not imply that this data has any meaning, since I do not agree that a reconstruction of Atlantic ocean currents can be made from contaminated Finnish lake sediments, strip bark bristlecone chronologies etc)

read the rest at Climate Audit to find out what passes for science in climate science. the upsidedown Tiljander cores wont die until climate science grows a pair and demands them removed, and all the subsequent papers using contaminated results either fixed or removed as well.

 

[IanC]

the second article, Rahmstorf s Second Trick Climate Audit , is too technical to be of interest here. anyone who wants to see RegM flakiness should read the article. and it is fun to see how Rahmstorf skirts the issue of why he starts in 900AD instead of using the whole series. hahahahaha

 

[Billy_Bob]

uh-oh

McIntyre has turned his baleful eye towards Rahmstorf2015. it's not going to be pretty.

Rahmstorf s First Trick Climate Audit

why did Mann and Rahmstorf end this graph in 1995, when they had data to 2006?

to hide the decline, oops incline, of course!!

(By showing this, I absolutely do not imply that this data has any meaning, since I do not agree that a reconstruction of Atlantic ocean currents can be made from contaminated Finnish lake sediments, strip bark bristlecone chronologies etc)

read the rest at Climate Audit to find out what passes for science in climate science. the upsidedown Tiljander cores wont die until climate science grows a pair and demands them removed, and all the subsequent papers using contaminated results either fixed or removed as well.

But that wouldn't play well with their preconceived outcome and alarmism.. Isn't socialism grand when they are trying to get you to give up your freedoms by making false statements about what the climate is doing? Even the shoddy alarmist types are running from this pile of feces..

 

[mamooth]

You two understand that nobody cares about the latest CultofMcIntyre nonsense, right?

Reference "The boy who cried wolf" as to why that is.

 

[bripat9643]

You two understand that nobody cares about the latest CultofMcIntyre nonsense, right?

Reference "The boy who cried wolf" as to why that is.

We know the cult wants McIntyre to go away. Perhaps you can go bury your head in the sand and pretend no one is exposing your con.

BTW, "the boy who cried wolf" is more appropriately applied to the member of the AGW cult.

 

[Wyld Kard]

And you believe it is all because of man's activities, right?

What I believe is not relevant. What the science demonstrates is.

When you understand that, you will on your way to joining the reason-based community.

What the science demonstrates is.

Oh, you mean that crap that the IPCC claims and puts out on AGW/CC, that clearly demonstrates that you were just gullible enough to believe and accept as truth.