Green New Deal

[Votto]

You kids just don't understand.

The Green Deal is like Obamacare, you must first pass it to find out what is in it.

How hard is that to understand?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ok, all kidding aside.... That was pretty smart of AOC & the Democrats to put out that 'parody' bill 1st..

That's actually a good point. An effective negotiating tactic is to shoot for the stars to give yourself plenty of room to fall back and still win.

The Right can laugh and mock, but it also better start thinking about a smart approach to deal with this. It's not going away.

Laughing and mocking isn't a strategy.
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Actually, it's the best first strategy for this. Turn it into such a humiliating joke, no one wants to admit to having even considered it.

Of course, that would require leftists to have a sense of shame, but . . .

Treating it as though it's a serious proposal would just legitimize it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ok, all kidding aside.... That was pretty smart of AOC & the Democrats to put out that 'parody' bill 1st..

That's actually a good point. An effective negotiating tactic is to shoot for the stars to give yourself plenty of room to fall back and still win.

The Right can laugh and mock, but it also better start thinking about a smart approach to deal with this. It's not going away.

Laughing and mocking isn't a strategy.
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The smart approach is to say fuck all this Left Wing bullshit that has failed whenever it has been implemented.

The stupid Leftest got control of Spain a few years ago and implemented their version of a "green economy". The damn country almost went bankrupted.

Green Policies in Spain are a Total Failure | The Real Agenda News | The Real Agenda News

Green Policies in Spain are a Total Failure

Then we have green energy policies failing in places like Germany

Germany's Green Energy Disaster: A Cautionary Tale For World Leaders
Germany's Green Energy Disaster: A Cautionary Tale For World Leaders

That shit simply doesn't work no matter how much these stupid Moon Bats want it to work.

These Moon Bats are seriously ignorant in Economics just like they are ignorant in History, Climate Science, The Constitution, Biology and Ethics.

But the Socialists will tell you, "THAT was EUROPE ... AND CUBA ... AND SOUTH AMERICA. WE are DIFFERENT, & WE will not make the same mistakes."

No, it's pretty obvious we're going to make even bigger and more ludicrous ones.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm wondering if AOC is really a Republican plant.

I'm wondering why the media never uncovered that time she spent in a mental asylum.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Laughing and mocking is NOT a strategy ... but it is the only serious response AOC & her 'Green New Deal' deserves.

Well, from your political perspective, sure. But it's very possible that, at some point, you'll need to make a strong and serious argument.

What I don't to see is a continuation of these wild swings back and forth. This ain't good for the country.
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How in the hell do you make a strong and serious argument against the rantings of someone whose brain clearly stopped developing in third grade? I'm not even kidding. How do you debate something like this as though it's actually a real thing, beyond what we're already doing, which is pointing out how batshit, rainbow-unicorn-fart insane it is?!

 

[Cecilie1200]

I cannot believe the US House of Representatives is actually going to be presented a bill with the phrase "farting cows" in it. Oh. My. God.

Yep. This is the kind of crap government you get when Dims are in charge.

What amazes me is how much time the left has spent bitching to the skies about how crude and low-class Trump is, and now they're introducing bills in Congress that converse about farting cows. Talk about elevating the discourse.

 

[Ame®icano]

Transcontinental trains that transverse oceans?????

Holy fuck.

What could possibly go wrong with a train from LA to Tokyo?



What a dumb bitch. She is going to get Primaried out by the Dimms.

The alternative are solar planes.

Those are great for night flights!

And so quiet, you can't even hear the motors running.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Laughing and mocking is NOT a strategy ... but it is the only serious response AOC & her 'Green New Deal' deserves.

Well, from your political perspective, sure. But it's very possible that, at some point, you'll need to make a strong and serious argument.

What I don't to see is a continuation of these wild swings back and forth. This ain't good for the country.
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Calling for the elimination of the internal combustion engine, elimination of 99% of all cars / trucks / boats / trains / planes in the US, for every single building in the US to be upgraded or REBUILT, for electric trains that travel across OCEANS, & for the elimination of every energy source we currently use except for those that only provide 11% of what we use now is an INSANE NON-STARTER.

If someone actually offered you that deal before you sat down at the negotiating table, you would not sit down because you would think that person was mentally incompetent to negotiate anything.

Trying to come across as somebody who would not do that in defense of AOC and this deal this morning is making you look silly.

Huh? How in the world did I defend the deal or AOC? I agreed with your freaking point.

Come on. Think.

This is up to you. Just remember that the Left mocked, satirized and dismissed Trump in 2016. The voting public is fickle.

Or just keep laughing. Whatever. Your call.
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What, exactly, do you propose we say in place of "This is utterly impossible and unworkable, it can't be done, even if it could be done it would destroy the world's economy and kill millions, it's an insane idea"? I mean, honestly. That IS the logical, serious response to this, because IT'S TRUE.

 

[McRocket]

Granted, PJ Media is a conservative media source.

Yea...full stop

But it still is an interesting article.

No...it's not. It's slanted partisan bullshit

Fine.

Do you have a non-partisan source that estimates the cost of this program in such detail?

If not - it's pretty silly to call the conclusions erroneous otherwise.

 

[Cecilie1200]

you telling me the left doesn't sit there and mock and laugh at the right?

No, not at all. it's just that I don't care so much about the Left's mockery.. Few if any "adults" on that side imo.

the problem is the vast majority of us in the middle put up with it and that needs to end. we need an adult to tell the kids to shut the fuck up and go to the corner while we clean up their mess. while trump is doing some things i certainly agree with, to date he's far from the adult to pull us out of this.

Why are the vast majority of "us in the middle" putting up with it ? Are we too apathetic to do something about it?

if the the left wants to be taken seriously, then they need to stop saying stupid shit like 90% of this GREEN deal is.

They ARE being taken seriously......by millions and millions of REALLY stupid indoctrinated Millennials who are now voting and beginning to out number the "adults". Does it really matter what their plan is IF they eventually have the numbers to get it all passed?

fair points to be sure. thank you for the additional insight.[/QUOTE]

Now if he would just tell us this grand plan of what he thinks we SHOULD be saying in place of, "Wake up, people. This is nuts, and here's why it's nuts."

 

[Mac1958]

Laughing and mocking is NOT a strategy ... but it is the only serious response AOC & her 'Green New Deal' deserves.

Well, from your political perspective, sure. But it's very possible that, at some point, you'll need to make a strong and serious argument.

What I don't to see is a continuation of these wild swings back and forth. This ain't good for the country.
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How in the hell do you make a strong and serious argument against the rantings of someone whose brain clearly stopped developing in third grade? I'm not even kidding. How do you debate something like this as though it's actually a real thing, beyond what we're already doing, which is pointing out how batshit, rainbow-unicorn-fart insane it is?!

As was pointed out earlier, one effective method in negotiations is to start off shooting for the stars, and winning by falling back and looking as if you capitulated.

As was also pointed out, mocking and laughing is not a strategy.
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[Lesh]

BY: Nic Rowan
February 7, 2019 8:01 pm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) said Thursday that her proposed Green New Deal would not be financed through a "massive government takeover."

"I think one way that the right does try to mischaracterize what we're doing as though it's like some kind of massive government takeover," Ocasio-Cortez said on MSNBC's "MTP Daily." "Obviously it's not that because what we're trying to do is release the investments from the federal government to mobilize those resources across the country."

Ocasio-Cortez went on to explain that the deal's rollout could take the form of public programs similar to the Tennessee Valley Authority, created in former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's original New Deal, as well as "public-private partnerships" and programs that "can work on a municipal level."

Double digit trillion dollar cost. But it's not a government takeover!

The government can't take over airplanes that won't be allowed to fly any more, right comrade?

Save the hyperbole. You're better than that.

They're talking about things like tax incentives

Tell me that you don't realize that Green means jobs and technology advancements...

"Tax incentives". Another phrase for tax EXPENDITURES, dipshit.

More massive government overspending and debt.

How quickly the never trumpers revert to their usual style.'
'Whatever

 

[g5000]

BY: Nic Rowan
February 7, 2019 8:01 pm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) said Thursday that her proposed Green New Deal would not be financed through a "massive government takeover."

"I think one way that the right does try to mischaracterize what we're doing as though it's like some kind of massive government takeover," Ocasio-Cortez said on MSNBC's "MTP Daily." "Obviously it's not that because what we're trying to do is release the investments from the federal government to mobilize those resources across the country."

Ocasio-Cortez went on to explain that the deal's rollout could take the form of public programs similar to the Tennessee Valley Authority, created in former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's original New Deal, as well as "public-private partnerships" and programs that "can work on a municipal level."

Double digit trillion dollar cost. But it's not a government takeover!

The government can't take over airplanes that won't be allowed to fly any more, right comrade?

Save the hyperbole. You're better than that.

They're talking about things like tax incentives

Tell me that you don't realize that Green means jobs and technology advancements...

"Tax incentives". Another phrase for tax EXPENDITURES, dipshit.

More massive government overspending and debt.

How quickly the never trumpers revert to their usual style.'
'Whatever

Where am I wrong, dipshit?

The bartender wants to massively increase government debt and take over large swaths of the US economy.

Simple fact.

 

[Claudette]

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf

some very nice bits from here:
Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work
Healthy food (lets make sure to call this out)
Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems
Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages (got this one in several times)
Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency

reality nowhere to be seen.

You have to give her credit, she has managed to make Pelosi look like a far right wingnut!!

there are times you think we've reached extreme idiocy and we simply can't get any worse.

then someone comes along and resets the standard of extreme stupidity.

Ultra stupidity. What a dingbat.

If all that shit she's proposing is ever implemented it would bankrupt the country.

You can't cure socialist stupidity.

 

[easyt65]

As was pointed out earlier, one effective method in negotiations is to start off shooting for the stars, and winning by falling back and looking as if you capitulated.As was also pointed out, mocking and laughing is not a strategy.

As was also pointed out earlier, 'Insanity' is a non-starter in negotiations, and mocking & being laughed at is the only thing the Green New Deal deserves.



"I propose we adopt a plan that can not realistically be done using technology that does not exist and costs more - if it could be done - than we could ever physically / fiscally be able to afford..."

 

[Cecilie1200]

Moral forms of indignation should require morals.

....says the guy whose party has gone so 'bugfuck crazy' they are now demanding the right to murder children who have been born...

The GOP controls the Virginia legislature, they should impeach Gov. Northam on charges of Accessory before the Fact for Infanticide, and see if the Democrats want to get rid of him. Get the libs on the record

Don't forget his sexual assaulting Lt Gov who is, as per the Dems' claims against Kavanaugh, 'GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT'...

Because "believe all women!" The person accusing him is a woman, if I'm not mistaken (not that that means anything since gender is a social construct and anyone can be a woman simply because they feel like they are so it's really very transphobic to suggest that there's something special about being born with a vagina that means you should be believed over those whose doctors haven't constructed one yet and now I'm confused and have a headache and will go lie down).

 

[McRocket]

BY: Nic Rowan
February 7, 2019 8:01 pm

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) said Thursday that her proposed Green New Deal would not be financed through a "massive government takeover."

"I think one way that the right does try to mischaracterize what we're doing as though it's like some kind of massive government takeover," Ocasio-Cortez said on MSNBC's "MTP Daily." "Obviously it's not that because what we're trying to do is release the investments from the federal government to mobilize those resources across the country."

Ocasio-Cortez went on to explain that the deal's rollout could take the form of public programs similar to the Tennessee Valley Authority, created in former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's original New Deal, as well as "public-private partnerships" and programs that "can work on a municipal level."

Actually, she explained in more detail how her Green New Deal would be paid for:

'How will you pay for it?
The same way we paid for the New Deal the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. ...'

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ bottom of page 3

This is pure insanity.

In other words, she is saying the Fed will just print up whatever money is needed. $ 7 trillion? $20 trillion? Whatever.

A) this is NOT what the Fed was created to do - just blindly fund whatever projects the government wants.
B) this is NOT how almost ANY government works. When the government wants to fund something it cannot afford - IT ISSUES BONDS. If no one buys the bonds - the project does NOT go forward.
This is so that the government cannot just print ENDLESS amounts of money, any time it wishes (though, lately, the Fed has removed this safeguard by often buying the bonds themselves. But it has said time and again that this is NOT a good way forward).

Basically what she is saying is that she has NO IDEA how to pay for this and realizes that bond issuances probably won't work. So she is just asking the Federal Reserve to print trillions of dollars for her.

That is TOTALLY INSANE.

I assume you disagree (as you seem VERY taken with everything she says)...but if you start printing trillions and trillions of dollars - at will - you can kiss the US dollar goodbye as 1) the world reserve currency; and 2) it's relative value.

 

[OKTexas]

"Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency"

There literally is no efficient way to do this. None.

I wonder if the dumb bitch is aware it takes petroleum to make the foam insulation that is the most effective on the market? Also lubricants to keep all those electric motors, transmissions and wheels lubricated. How does she propose to make the tires?

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I get the distinct impression she has no idea where electricity actually comes from.

I don't think she has any idea of physics or reality. She lives in a retards never never land.

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[Mac1958]

As was pointed out earlier, one effective method in negotiations is to start off shooting for the stars, and winning by falling back and looking as if you capitulated.As was also pointed out, mocking and laughing is not a strategy.

As was also pointed out earlier, 'Insanity' is a non-starter in negotiations, and mocking & being laughed at is the only thing the Green New Deal deserves.



"I propose we adopt a plan that can not realistically be done using technology that does not exist and costs more - if it could be done - than we could ever physically / fiscally be able to afford..."

Great, then you have nothing to worry about.
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[danielpalos]

Isn't it pathetic when the Onion isn't satire anymore?

California should pioneer reclamation and repurposing technologies!