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Green Energy Fraud Boom under Obama

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.
Can you be any bigger the idiot.......try replying to the topic
 
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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.
 
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Dropped by an infrequent customer, an old farmer on the sw edge of creeping condos, who refurbs office furniture and cubicles in one of his barns. He had covered the entire south side of its roof in solar panels at a cost of 128 grand. Over 100 panels. His immediate payoff was a 40 grand tax credit. The system is wired right into the grid. He uses none of its production on his property. Payoff was advertised as 8.5 yrs. Problem is it was supposed to be up and running last December. Whole thing has to be redone. Panels lifted, rewired and properly reattached, then the boxes that change it from dc to ac, replaced This level of incompetence would seem to point to a business with no idea what the hell they are doing but the money was huge so lets be solar installers.
 
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Dropped by an infrequent customer, an old farmer on the sw edge of creeping condos, who refurbs office furniture and cubicles in one of his barns. He had covered the entire south side of its roof in solar panels at a cost of 128 grand. Over 100 panels. His immediate payoff was a 40 grand tax credit. The system is wired right into the grid. He uses none of its production on his property. Payoff was advertised as 8.5 yrs. Problem is it was supposed to be up and running last December. Whole thing has to be redone. Panels lifted, rewired and properly reattached, then the boxes that change it from dc to ac,This level of incompetence would seem to point to a business with no idea what the hell they are doing but the money was huge so lets be solar installers.

If you wire a solar system "directly into the grid," how do you know the dollar amount you are to receive from the power company for selling the power you produce?

How was the system installed incorrectly?

How much power does each of the 100 panels rated?

What is the difference of a converter vs. an inverter?

Why did he not use any of the power?
 
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Dropped by an infrequent customer, an old farmer on the sw edge of creeping condos, who refurbs office furniture and cubicles in one of his barns. He had covered the entire south side of its roof in solar panels at a cost of 128 grand. Over 100 panels. His immediate payoff was a 40 grand tax credit. The system is wired right into the grid. He uses none of its production on his property. Payoff was advertised as 8.5 yrs. Problem is it was supposed to be up and running last December. Whole thing has to be redone. Panels lifted, rewired and properly reattached, then the boxes that change it from dc to ac,This level of incompetence would seem to point to a business with no idea what the hell they are doing but the money was huge so lets be solar installers.

If you wire a solar system "directly into the grid," how do you know the dollar amount you are to receive from the power company for selling the power you produce?

How was the system installed incorrectly?

How much power does each of the 100 panels rated?

What is the difference of a converter vs. an inverter?

Why did he not use any of the power?
It's called meters......
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media
 

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Dropped by an infrequent customer, an old farmer on the sw edge of creeping condos, who refurbs office furniture and cubicles in one of his barns. He had covered the entire south side of its roof in solar panels at a cost of 128 grand. Over 100 panels. His immediate payoff was a 40 grand tax credit. The system is wired right into the grid. He uses none of its production on his property. Payoff was advertised as 8.5 yrs. Problem is it was supposed to be up and running last December. Whole thing has to be redone. Panels lifted, rewired and properly reattached, then the boxes that change it from dc to ac,This level of incompetence would seem to point to a business with no idea what the hell they are doing but the money was huge so lets be solar installers.

If you wire a solar system "directly into the grid," how do you know the dollar amount you are to receive from the power company for selling the power you produce?

How was the system installed incorrectly?

How much power does each of the 100 panels rated?

What is the difference of a converter vs. an inverter?

Why did he not use any of the power?
It's called meters......

The statement from Manonthestreet was "directly into the grid." No meter.
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Probably just a cheap knock-off of Obama green energy fraud.
 

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And, in the meantime in the real world;

Texas City Leads The Way On Renewable Energy

DALE ROSS: I don't think they're ever going to accuse Georgetown of being the next Berkeley (laughter).

SHAPIRO: Georgetown, Texas, population 50,000. The mayor is Dale Ross. We're about 30 miles north of Austin.

ROSS: Austin's phrase is, you know, keep Austin weird. Now, what we say is, Austin, keep your weird.

SHAPIRO: Mayor Ross wears a lapel pin from Trump's inauguration. He's sitting on a park bench in Georgetown's historic town square.

ROSS: You know, it is the greatest city on planet Earth.

ROSS: So I think people all over the country wonder, how is it that such a red city like Georgetown, such a conservative place, was one of the first cities in the country to be powered 100 percent by renewable energy?

ROSS: You know, because it's our love of green - green rectangles and green energy.

SHAPIRO: (Laughter) Green rectangles meaning dollar bills.

ROSS: Yes, so - yeah, if you got an Andrew Jackson or a Benjamin Franklin on - well, I prefer, you know - Benjamin Franklin's my favorite. But really with the first and foremost, it was a business decision.
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.

Isn't that what's going on in the US?
 

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China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.

Isn't that what's going on in the US?

Yes. Taxpayer dollars are wasted and green scammers benefit.
 

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Lol, and this is why China is installing 24g in the first part of this year and why it leads most of the fossil fuels in America.

Wow, what a fool.

China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.
Your people left President with a market going straight down. 750,000 Americans lost their jobs the month he took office. Yet after March, the economy turned around under President Obama, and, from a low of 6500 in Mar09, was at almost 20,000 when he handed the baton to President Trump. At the same time, the unemployment peaked at over 10%, but was well below 5% on 20Jan17. So you stand revealed a callous liar. President Obama left this nation far better off than he found it. In every way.
 

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China is making lots of crappy investments.
When they stop pumping up their money supply, it's gonna get ugly.

Such as?

BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.
Your people left President with a market going straight down. 750,000 Americans lost their jobs the month he took office. Yet after March, the economy turned around under President Obama, and, from a low of 6500 in Mar09, was at almost 20,000 when he handed the baton to President Trump. At the same time, the unemployment peaked at over 10%, but was well below 5% on 20Jan17. So you stand revealed a callous liar. President Obama left this nation far better off than he found it. In every way.

Yet after March, the economy turned around under President Obama,

Yeah, he was awesome.
What did he do that turned the economy around between January 20th and March?
Be specific.

So you stand revealed a callous liar.

Point out my lie in this thread about Chinese investments.
 

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BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.


From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.

Isn't that what's going on in the US?

Yes. Taxpayer dollars are wasted and green scammers benefit.

You mean corporate America as a whole?
 

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BEIJING, Nov 20, 2014 (Reuters) - China wasted an approximate 42 trillion yuan ($6.9 trillion) on "ineffective investment" in the five years from 2009, with the problem worsening in the past two years, a government official and an economist were quoted as saying in the local media.

From relying too much on investment to lift the economy to supplying state firms with cheap loans that fuelled unnecessary spending, the two pressed China to face up to its problem of making investment with low or no efficiency.

Their calculations - one of the starkest to date - showed that unproductive investment took up almost half of China's total investment in 2009 and 2013.

The remarks were made by Xu Ce of the development and planning department at China's top economic planner, the National Development and Reform Commission, and Wang Yuan from the Academy of Macro Economic Research, which is linked to the commission.

China wasted $6.9 trillion on bad investment post 2009 - media

Didn't the 'ineffective investment' make certain Chinese richer?

Yes, while making the country poorer.

Isn't that what's going on in the US?

Yes. Taxpayer dollars are wasted and green scammers benefit.

You mean corporate America as a whole?

Green corporate America.
 

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