40 ain’t 73….still a great player. HOF for sure.Bonds was a 40/40 guy before the 'roids. What a shame he ruined his legacy.
40 ain’t 73….still a great player. HOF for sure.Bonds was a 40/40 guy before the 'roids. What a shame he ruined his legacy.
He is an all time great.Bonds could have been an all time great
he will forever have one of these * by his name....40 ain’t 73….still a great player. HOF for sure.
he did most of his stuff in the dead ball era....totally different than what was after 1919...He is an all time great.
But the GOAT non pitcher is Ty Cobb since Ruth pitched first.
Sure. When they get in you let me know.Daryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden were Cokeheads, which is a super stimulant and temporarily helps with performance... do you want to X them out of the HOF too?
No, I am referencing what some people think about the raw talent. I know you are referring stats. Any child who has never watched a baseball game can do that.Of course, I'm referencing accomplishments, you're referencing a bunch of "last-picked-on the playground" journalists who had their feelings hurt because Bonds wasn't nice them.
a .400 batting average is a good argumentHe is an all time great.
But the GOAT non pitcher is Ty Cobb since Ruth pitched first.
So you're advocating that your own personal, individual eye-test and perspective is above the dry, observational measurable metrics..No, I am referencing what some people think about the raw talent. I know you are referring stats. Any child who has never watched a baseball game can do that.
a .400 batting average is a good argument
tip oneil?....he played in the cow pasture days.....Tip O'Neill had a far better average...
No, I was more suggesting that PEDs can skew stats. Try to hold yourself together man, you can't go into a little baby tailspin every time someone doesn't powder your ass.So you're advocating that your own personal, individual eye-test and perspective is above the dry, observational measurable metrics..
You can't count the stats after he started on roids in 1999.I'll divide this up (and probably start a pitcher's only thread in a few moments)...
So many to choose from, but only one names comes to my mind.
Barry Bonds.
Here's why...
1. Bonds had the power with the likes of Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Lou Gehrig, and Mark McGwire
2. Bonds played elite defense with 8 gold gloves in his career, like Ken Griffey Jr, Willie Mays, and Joe Dimmaggio
3. Bonds could steal bases like a theif rivaling the levels of Ricky Henderson
Of all the skills in baseball, Bonds had it all in his career, and he had the most anyone ever had. But let's dig deeper.
He Has 7 MVP's in his career, the next closest is 3 by Stan Musial.
He has the most Gold Gloves in Left Field in MLB history.
He is #1 in all of MLB history in
- Home runs (762)
- Walks (2,558)
- Intentional Walks (688)
Other Stats he is all-time high at:
- Extra Base Hits (2nd)
- Total Bases (2nd)
- RBI (3rd)
- Runs (3rd)
- On-Base Percentage (3rd)
- Slugging Percentage (7th)
- Doubles (14th)
- Stolen Base Percentage (29th)
- Hits (32)
In his 22 year career, he never played with another hall of famer, unlike Ruth, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, etc.
Bonds stopped the game of baseball when he came up to bat. He was walked with the bases loaded. He was the most feared hitter I've ever seen in my life.
One juiced like hell, the other did not.Let's compare classic stats the dictate greatness in baseball.
Years played:
Griffey 23
Bonds 22
Hits:
Bonds 2,935
Griffey 2,781
Home Runs:
Bonds 762
Griffey 630
RBI's:
Bonds 1,996
Griffey 1,836
Steals:
Bonds 514
Griffey 167
MVP's:
Bonds 7
Griffey 1
Gold Gloves:
Griffey 10
Bonds 8
WAR:
Bonds 162.8
Griffey 83.8
Didn't turn out too well for your guy. But then again, you're just ego trolling at this point, we all know this.
Care to address the data?
There is no place for your childish delusions in this thread, cultist.There is just no way you can make it up to an honest player who lost out to a cheater.
The East German Olympic swim team of 1976. Jose Canseco AL MVP of 1988. Joe Biden 2020.
No one will ever be able to compensate the US Swim Team, Mike Greenwell and Donald Trump for the honors they earned but were stolen by the cheaters.
Me? I would do a scorched earth to do justice as best I could. I would physically strip Canseco's trophy and the East Germans' medals, and give them to the rightful winners. I would sue the cheaters and anybody else involved for everything I could and give the lost compensation to the rightful winners who lost untold earnings. I would airbrush all the record books, expunging the cheaters, and recording the names of the rightful winners, and it STILL wouldn't be enough.
For Trump, I would go back and undo every single initiative the Democrats and Biden put out since Jan 20, 2021. We would award the two Georgia Senate Seats back to the Republicans. All the inflation and lost income from the Democrats' malfeasance, we would attempt to collect by suing the DNC and all individual Democrat politicians and operatives; and all the leftwing news outlets and operative of every penny they have. And they would be permanently banned from the political realm. The black girl justice would be booted out, and President Trump would make the new nomination and the new GOP Senate would confirm. The only thing you couldn't undo is the suffering of all the innocents at the hands of the cheating thieving Democrats.