Greatest Athlete Ever

[rightwinger]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

 

[G.T.]

Now that I'm exhausted of being a Lebron Hater - can we talk about getting steroids back into baseball

who didnt secretly love that mcgwire / sosa stuff at the time, come on!

hahaha. I am not a big baseball fan. I grew up around Miami, and we had the Marlins start up. Started following them a bit even though it was slower than I liked, won a championship, then EVERYONE I liked watching was gone. So I stopped watching till I moved to Colorado. As a part time fan, the Blake Street Bombers winning 13-10 was a blast. Then came humidors and banning steroids. And yes I was watching for Sosa and McGwire on Sportscenter.

ken griffey jr!

 

[G.T.]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

What the fuck are you talking about no one had such a stat?

Its the vegas odds at the beginning of a finals series. Literally everyone has such a stat, and 538 is a reputable sports site.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bo Jackson

 

[rightwinger]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

What the fuck are you talking about no one had such a stat?

Its the vegas odds at the beginning of a finals series. Literally everyone has such a stat, and 538 is a reputable sports site.

Show me Vegas odds on a player winning the championship instead of a team

 

[G.T.]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

What the fuck are you talking about no one had such a stat?

Its the vegas odds at the beginning of a finals series. Literally everyone has such a stat, and 538 is a reputable sports site.

Show me Vegas odds on a player winning the championship instead of a team

The stat WAS for the team you goof

 

[rightwinger]

Bo Jackson

Amazing athlete in two sports

 

[rightwinger]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

What the fuck are you talking about no one had such a stat?

Its the vegas odds at the beginning of a finals series. Literally everyone has such a stat, and 538 is a reputable sports site.

Show me Vegas odds on a player winning the championship instead of a team

The stat WAS for the team you goof

So you see my point

 

[G.T.]

Here's a stat that interests me by fivethirtyeight.com

In terms of odds, LeBron was expected to win 2.8 of his 9 Finals.

He won 3. About even with expectation.

Jordan was expected to win 4.1 - and won 6. Outta 6.

They did this stat for a number of other greats, too...pretty interesting stat. Not all that meaningful, but interesting.

Jordan/Pippen defied their odds by the highest margin on the list...winning 1.9 more rings than statistically expected.

No one had such a stat

The BULLS were expected to win
The HEAT were expected to win

What the fuck are you talking about no one had such a stat?

Its the vegas odds at the beginning of a finals series. Literally everyone has such a stat, and 538 is a reputable sports site.

Show me Vegas odds on a player winning the championship instead of a team

The stat WAS for the team you goof

So you see my point

No, your point was wrong...because my point was never that anyone was expected to win alone, it was merely sharing a stat of players' expected rings BASED ON THEIR TEAMS' SERIES ODDS, vs. how many rings they WON.

You snivveled for no apparent reason, is what happened.

Its a messageboard, youre forgiven

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bo Jackson

Amazing athlete in two sports

And Track....set multiple records

 

[rightwinger]

 

[SandSquid]

We arent talking will to win even if what you say is true. You cant measure someones will simply by looking at them. You measure that by being there to see every minute of work they put into becoming the best. We are talking about who is the greatest athlete. Lebron is by far MJ's superior when it comes to being an athlete.

No, you engaged me and my remarks on the topic at the time you engaged me were about the will to win.

Lebron has the best talent WITH size proportions we've ever seen and with the level of control he's had over choosing teammates he's lost more chips than he's won.

This game is all about x-factors, and I've seen a fully pussified Lebron when it matter most and his legacy was having all kinds of speculation at the time and he knew it and he admitted he felt the pressure.

And lost.

And so for that, he's out of GOAT contention on my list because his talent/size proportions didn't make up for the lack of will power.

No I just pointed out that the topic isnt about will to win. Its about greatest athlete. If youre talking will to win then you have no way of measuring that unless youre there to document the work that person puts in to be the best and the drive they display to make it so. I can have the will to pick up a one ton rock and work out constantly trying to achieve that goal. Are you saying that me never being able to pick up a rock that weighs one ton means I lack the will?

No, I'm saying that in the NBA - the player that's considered having the most dominant size and talent combo fails to dominate, often, when it's time for the Chip to fall at the end of the season.

That's literally all I'm saying - and any and everyone is free to disagree with me and I'm comfy about it. I've seen him give up with my own two...you require him to say "I give up" verbatim to intuit that he gave up. We have very different standards in that regard. It''s quite alright, by me.

Thats fine. I am saying I disagree. I've only seen one time when Lebron failed to dominate and that was because of a deficiency in his game that Dallas exploited which is not his lack of will. As I pointed out the next year Lebron corrected that deficiency and won a ring. Thats some serious evidence of a will to win. Lebron went back and looked at film. Lebron spotted the shortcoming, worked on it, and turned it into a strength.

Yeah, he turned it into a 1-peat after making what was considered a stacked team at the time.

Funny thing about the nba now, too...is that that Miami team isn't so grossly stacked anymore by our new standard

Yup they won 2 finals. And that stacked team sure didn't play like a stacked team. Bosh was what? 13ppg -7rpg in the finals after that Dallas series? Basically a shell of Pascal Siakam this past year. Who's saying "man Toronto is stacked with Pascal". Wade was 17-4-4 an the only guy to show up with any consistency.

That Spurs series once down 3-2, sure Ray Allen hits a HUGE 3. But he was 3-12 shooting in that series in their two elimination games. Bosh was 5-17 there. In game 7, Bosh/Wade/Allen score 23 points on 11-30 shooting. Lebron scores 32 on 12-23 shooting.

The Spurs rematch, Lebron goes for 31-10-5 on 10-21 shooting and just 1 turnover in the elimination game. Going against Kawhi, one of the best wing defenders in the game. Bosh/Wade/Allen go for 29-15-5 with 7 turnovers in that game on 11-34 shooting.

In elimination games that "stacked' teams big 3 outside of Lebron each scored an avergage of 9.4 points per game in the finals after Dallas. Lebron outscored them on his own. To put that in perspective, when people talk about how ruined the Warriors were this post-season. Curry got 63 points from his next big 3 without Durant in game 7 (Iggy, Klay, Green).

In Lebron's "Big 3 era" with Cleveland and Miami, his teams are 13-39 when he doesn't play. On pace for a 20 win season, which would have been dead in the league 2 of the past 3 years.

So inside track for the #1 pick in the draft without him playing. With him, 3 championships in 8 years. That's impressive.

 

[rightwinger]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...le-idea/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c0f9512cbcb2

Jim Brown,the Cleveland Browns Hall of Fame running back, a legendarily tough man, decided to try his hand at the sport after retiring from football following the 1965 season, but his target wasn’t just any boxer. It was The Greatest, his friend Muhammad Ali. Brown, as Chris Mannix told the story in Sports Illustrated in 2012, thought a bout would generate a massive payday and approached Arum, the long-time promoter he had introduced to Ali. Brown was in the process of becoming an actor, but Arum, out of gratitude, thought he should approach with Brown’s wish.

“So I went to talk to Ali,” Arum told Mannix. “He says, ‘Jim wants to do what? Bring him here.’ So I took him to Hyde Park in London, where Ali used to run. Ali said, ‘Jimmy, here’s what we’re going to do: You hit me as hard as you can.’

So Brown starts swinging and swinging, and he can’t hit him. He’s swinging wildly and not even coming close. This goes on for, like, 30 seconds. Then Ali hits him with this quick one-two to his face. Jimmy just stops and says, ‘Okay, I get the point.’ ”

 

[Unkotare]

Greatest racist boxer of all time.

 

[JoeMoma]

 

[rightwinger]

Greatest racist boxer of all time.

He was no racist
He loved white women

 

[Unkotare]

Greatest racist boxer of all time.

He was no racist

Yes he was, in just the manner the NOI indoctrinated him to be.

 

[rightwinger]

Greatest racist boxer of all time.

He was no racist

Yes he was, in just the manner the NOI indoctrinated him to be.

He couldn’t be racist...

Some of his best friends were white people
He even worked with white people

 

[noonereal]

Bruce Jenner when he was a he and not a she or it.

No way in hell, unless you don't know what an athlete is.

 

[22lcidw]

Greatest racist boxer of all time.

He was no racist
He loved white women

Many black guys can't stand black women. They love white women.