Great article on why the economy is in trouble.

[evenflow1969]

I still stay in touch with most of my co-workers from my first real paycheck getting summer job but that is probably because a lot of them were already in my family's orbit when I was dragged out of bed at 7:15 am on the first day of summer being told I was already late to a job I didn't even know I had LOL. Someone got fired at 6:30 am and I was volunteered to be their replacement based on me having said I probably should look for a job.

Anyway, the reason I inherited most of the land that has been in my family generations is because they knew I wouldn't sell it off. I was raised in that mindset that as long as you have land, you can find a way to survive the rest. I would had to be a youngin in today's economy. That is why I would rather things go south while I am still alive and able. I can get us through it if need be. One of my earliest memories is weeding the garden and I have been doing it pretty much ever since. I have bought and sold a lot of real estate but I would never sell a square foot of that old family farm at any price. I hopefully have instilled that mindset at least somewhat in my #2 kid as he is the one I plan to pass it onto.

Ya, my mom and dad sold the farm when I was 17. Was not happy with them. My aunt and uncle kept theirs. Now they are to old to farm it themselves. They asked me if I wanted too. I did but didn't have the knowledge to run 2000 acres. Haven't even thought about farming in 40 years. That shit ain't as simple as people think. They were not planning on being around to teach me. They are wealthy and put in their dues. They wanna travel. They lease it now. I am semi retired. I was in an office for 30 years. I wanna hunt and fish now. Maybe golf for a while. I sometimes wish I had not turned hunting and fishing into a job. It has taken some of the joy out of it. I am considering finding someone to run my boats and work a golf course for a couple of years. Next summer I probably will hit a golf course. Hopefully I will regain my love for hunting and fishing. Maybe try and get my golf game back in order and try to qualify for seniors tour. My college roommate has been on the senior tour for about three years now. I have a large skill gap to over come but I think working a golf course a couple of years I may be able to over come that gap. Won't know unless I try.

 

[Woodznutz]

I could do it for awhile. I am not sure I would want to for a whole career.

Anyway, probably the rightest comment I have heard about the current state of affairs is that we are heading back into an early 80's job market where there aren't going to be a ton of good listings and most jobs will be filled in that "Hey, do you know anybody looking for work who wants to actually work?" sort of way.

My ex-sister-in-law worked for the city in the "planning" department. She looked down on those who actually carried out (built) the things her department planned. So, it is with many today.

 

[evenflow1969]

My ex-sister-in-law worked for the city in the "planning" department. She looked down on those who actually carried out (built) the things her department planned. So, it is with many today.

Design and plan is where I was also for the county. I was happy as a surveyor. A mix of indoor and out door work. As an engineer I was kinda miserable stuck inside all day every day. As time went on it got worse. I became responsible for hiring, firing and budget. Should have had a damn business degree for that. I did not look down on the guys doing the labor. I envied them .

 

[Woodznutz]

Design and plan is where I was also for the county. I was happy as a surveyor. A mix of indoor and out door work. As an engineer I was kinda miserable stuck inside all day every day. As time went on it got worse. I became responsible for hiring, firing and budget. Should have had a damn business degree for that. I did not look down on the guys doing the labor. I envied them .

I worked as a meat cutter for 15 years. I got so itchy for outdoor work that I took a couple of hiatuses and went landscaping and tree trimming for a couple of summers. When fall came I went back into meat cutting. I still work, as a property manager for a large apartment building. On nice days I do outdoor work, and indoors when the weather is bad. Best of both worlds.

 

[Moonglow]

My conclusion is that it is a combination of laziness and greed.

MSN

I was lazy about being greedy.

 

[Moonglow]

I worked as a meat cutter for 15 years. I got so itchy for outdoor work that I took a couple of hiatuses and went landscaping and tree trimming for a couple of summers. When fall came I went back into meat cutting. I still work, as a property manager for a large apartment building. On nice days I do outdoor work, and indoors when the weather is bad. Best of both worlds.

I was a mason fer about thirty years and got all the sun I wanted.

 

[Moonglow]

Design and plan is where I was also for the county. I was happy as a surveyor. A mix of indoor and out door work. As an engineer I was kinda miserable stuck inside all day every day. As time went on it got worse. I became responsible for hiring, firing and budget. Should have had a damn business degree for that. I did not look down on the guys doing the labor. I envied them .

I never finished my degree, but I managed to run my own construction company and got burned out on babysitting grown men.

 

[Woodznutz]

I was a mason fer about thirty years and got all the sun I wanted.

My sister talked me out of bricklaying. Her boyfriend was a bricklayer and said he could get me in. My sister said it would ruin my hands for guitar playing so I passed. I was an apprentice meat cutter at the time and was attracted to the money that bricklayer made. Very glad I passed on it.

 

[Moonglow]

My sister talked me out of bricklaying. Her boyfriend was a bricklayer and said he could get me in. My sister said it would ruin my hands for guitar playing so I passed. I was an apprentice meat cutter at the time and was attracted to the money that bricklayer made. Very glad I passed on it.

My hands are fine it's the spine that went bad.

 

[Woodznutz]

I never finished my degree, but I managed to run my own construction company and got burned out on babysitting grown men.

I worked two summers for a large landscaping company. Each morning everyone would gather for work assignments. Most days not all would show up. Some had quit, others came late, some with hangovers. The boss could only plan work with those who showed up. It was a continuing struggle to keep up with contracted work and irate customers would routinely show up at work sites complaining because work wasn't completed on time. It was a big mess.

 

[Woodznutz]

My hands are fine it's the spine that went bad.

I hear you. I hurt my back several times tossing quarters of beef around, but no permanent damage.

 

[evenflow1969]

I worked as a meat cutter for 15 years. I got so itchy for outdoor work that I took a couple of hiatuses and went landscaping and tree trimming for a couple of summers. When fall came I went back into meat cutting. I still work, as a property manager for a large apartment building. On nice days I do outdoor work, and indoors when the weather is bad. Best of both worlds.

I wish I were doing something else right now. I am bored out my skull. To darned much wind. Hard to sell fishing trips in four to six foot waves. Then when it's not that wavey the darned lake is so muddy you can't catch much. I did manage to catch a 29 and half inch walleye on a jig on Saturday. By far the biggest I have ever seen come in on a jig. Lol, had to catch in four to six foot waves though. 14 hours on those waves that day. I hurt so bad I could hardly sleep that night got to sleep at like 3 AM then that stupid alarm clock went off at four thirty. At least the waves were only two footers on Sunday. I thought ya go limit in a hurry and get home. Then my group shows up. Mom dad and little kids. So much for limiting early. Ran a full trip and fell six short of limit.

 

[evenflow1969]

I never finished my degree, but I managed to run my own construction company and got burned out on babysitting grown men.

Ya, I had some baby sitting to do also. Lol. I was much happier designing than managing.

 

[Winco]

Nothing is wrong with the economy.

So is economy still bidens economy or trumps economy?

 

[Dekster]

Ya, my mom and dad sold the farm when I was 17. Was not happy with them. My aunt and uncle kept theirs. Now they are to old to farm it themselves. They asked me if I wanted too. I did but didn't have the knowledge to run 2000 acres. Haven't even thought about farming in 40 years. That shit ain't as simple as people think. They were not planning on being around to teach me. They are wealthy and put in their dues. They wanna travel. They lease it now. I am semi retired. I was in an office for 30 years. I wanna hunt and fish now. Maybe golf for a while. I sometimes wish I had not turned hunting and fishing into a job. It has taken some of the joy out of it. I am considering finding someone to run my boats and work a golf course for a couple of years. Next summer I probably will hit a golf course. Hopefully I will regain my love for hunting and fishing. Maybe try and get my golf game back in order and try to qualify for seniors tour. My college roommate has been on the senior tour for about three years now. I have a large skill gap to over come but I think working a golf course a couple of years I may be able to over come that gap. Won't know unless I try.

2000 acres would make a mighty fine golf course......just saying LOL.

I don't really farm mine. I piddle with it, keep the house livable and outbuildings upright. I have planted a lot of fruit trees out there. I lease some of the fields to an adjoining family that have been there generations too just to have somebody keep an eye on it mostly. I used to lease it to a horse riding club to ride on but they became a bit too annoying to deal with. My oldest two may do something with it one day. One wants to farm it and one wants to eventually build a destination restaurant on it, so we'll see if the they can come up with a farm to fork gig once they are both through their basketweaving degrees. Until then, we plant some corn and harvest some of the wood off it and otherwise use it as an occasional get away.

 

[Hollie]

I never finished my degree, but I managed to run my own construction company and got burned out on babysitting grown men.

So, yes, you’re just lazy and incompetent.