Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods

[NYcarbineer]

It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.

 

[georgephillip]

Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods

Using the logic of your original thread ALL GOVERNMENT is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods.

How could it be otherwise since NONE OF US gets a chance to opt out of government?

This is the basical underylying premise of ALL ANARCHISTS.

GOVERNMENT-- all government -- is basically nothing more than organized violence controlled by the powerful.


And ya know...try as I might, I find it rather difficult to entire refute that argument

Keeping in mind the fact that all governments yet devised existed to serve their richest citizens at the expense of their majority, I think you and the anarchists are exactly correct. I'm not nearly as certain of what the results would be if a government ever came into existence behind a wall of separation between itself and all influences of private wealth...

 

[georgephillip]

1.) I'm not a libertarian.

2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?

"Income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. It is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.

Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.

And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".

It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.

MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.

How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?

 

[bripat9643]

It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.

I reject it. Government has no authority over me.

 

[bripat9643]

1.) I'm not a libertarian.

2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?

"Income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. It is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.

Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.

And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".

It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.

MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.

How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?

Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.

 

[bripat9643]

Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods

Using the logic of your original thread ALL GOVERNMENT is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods.

How could it be otherwise since NONE OF US gets a chance to opt out of government?

This is the basical underylying premise of ALL ANARCHISTS.

GOVERNMENT-- all government -- is basically nothing more than organized violence controlled by the powerful.


And ya know...try as I might, I find it rather difficult to entire refute that argument

Keeping in mind the fact that all governments yet devised existed to serve their richest citizens at the expense of their majority, I think you and the anarchists are exactly correct. I'm not nearly as certain of what the results would be if a government ever came into existence behind a wall of separation between itself and all influences of private wealth...

Such a thing simply isn't possible, which is one reason government should be abolished.

 

[The T]

You folks who have trouble with this go back read the Constitution and then a basic freshman history book for college.

Let's move along, OK.

Chapter and verse where stealing property of citizens for Government power was OK? We fought a Revolution for that Fakey...I think it is YOU that needs a refresher.

 

[Vox]

1.) i'm not a libertarian.

2.) does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?

"income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. it is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.

Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.

And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".

it is.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
As history of the xx century has proved.

Millions perish. And in the very end it still does not work.
And those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.

how many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th century?

none

 

[Vox]

It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.

MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.

How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?

Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.

yep. exactly right.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods

Nope.

Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.

Since the beginning of government regulated social market democracy, yes.

 

[bripat9643]

Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods

Nope.

Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.

Since the beginning of government regulated social market democracy, yes.

Wrong again, Fakey.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.

I reject it. Government has no authority over me.

Then you're not the constitutionalist you claim to be.

 

[Antares]

1.) I'm not a libertarian.

2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?

That's funny, you make the same exact arguments as the Von Mises crowd.

So what exactly is government redistributing? Is it apples? I hate to repeat myself but you've gone to the Arthur Murray school of debating. Tap dancing around the subject matter.

The farmers deed to his property has value b/c the US government makes it so. No deed. No ownership.

I have yet to see you counter this simple observation: But for the federal government and US constitution and laws thereof, your farmer has no property rights, no farmland, no apples to sell.

Ergo they can take whatever they want, moron.

 

[Little-Acorn]

In the USA, all property rights are created by the government. That's a fact.

Looks like we have another liberal who disagrees with the Declaration of Independence, which says we have certain unalienable rights, and that they come from our Creator.

When is your flight leaving for Cuba, France or Iran? They disagree, too. You'd be right at home there.

Back to the subject:
If a government has no authorization to spend tax money by handing it to people who did nothing to earn it, is the act of doing that, any different from "theft and distribution of stolen goods", in any important way?

 

[National Socialist]

I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.

 

[boedicca]

I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.

You are a pathetic brainwashed moron.

 

[National Socialist]

I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.

You are a pathetic brainwashed moron.

Not hardly. You would be brainwashed if you don't think workers have a right to the profits they helped make by selling the items for the big bosses...50/50.

 

[Vox]

I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.

submit your American citizenship and ask asylum in North Korea.

 

[boedicca]

I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.

You are a pathetic brainwashed moron.

Not hardly. You would be brainwashed if you don't think workers have a right to the profits they helped make by selling the items for the big bosses...50/50.

You're just proving the accuracy of my assessment of your intellect.

 

[Londoner]

Little Acorn,

The largest recipient of Government funds are corporations, who have built lobbying empires to extract money from the largest wallet on earth, the US Taxpayer.

If you want to have credibility, you have to cover all government handouts - but you never do.

The Reagan revolution started with a promise for small government, and it ended when George Bush drafted TARP and spied on American citizens.

And yes, we know the Dems like to spend and grow government, but your party is just as bad or worse (in fact Reagan spent more and expanded the federal workforce more than Carter or Clinton, and your side said nothing). George Bush and the GOP Congress voted to increased the Debt Ceiling 5 times, and your side said nothing. Guys like you didn't even know it happened.

The American Government hands out trillions of dollars of subsidies to the private sector. The taxpayer protects Exxon's oil fields in the middle east through the Pentagon budget. The private sector has drawn massive profits from the satellite system funded and installed by government, mostly through defense related industries. The handouts to private corporations are massive. Until you can provide a more thorough analysis of all government handouts, you lack credibility.