NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.
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Keeping in mind the fact that all governments yet devised existed to serve their richest citizens at the expense of their majority, I think you and the anarchists are exactly correct. I'm not nearly as certain of what the results would be if a government ever came into existence behind a wall of separation between itself and all influences of private wealth...Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods
Using the logic of your original thread ALL GOVERNMENT is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods.
How could it be otherwise since NONE OF US gets a chance to opt out of government?
This is the basical underylying premise of ALL ANARCHISTS.
GOVERNMENT-- all government -- is basically nothing more than organized violence controlled by the powerful.
And ya know...try as I might, I find it rather difficult to entire refute that argument
How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?1.) I'm not a libertarian.
2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?
"Income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. It is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.
Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.
And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".
It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.
MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.
It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.
How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?1.) I'm not a libertarian.
2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?
"Income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. It is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.
Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.
And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".
It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.
MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.
Keeping in mind the fact that all governments yet devised existed to serve their richest citizens at the expense of their majority, I think you and the anarchists are exactly correct. I'm not nearly as certain of what the results would be if a government ever came into existence behind a wall of separation between itself and all influences of private wealth...Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods
Using the logic of your original thread ALL GOVERNMENT is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods.
How could it be otherwise since NONE OF US gets a chance to opt out of government?
This is the basical underylying premise of ALL ANARCHISTS.
GOVERNMENT-- all government -- is basically nothing more than organized violence controlled by the powerful.
And ya know...try as I might, I find it rather difficult to entire refute that argument
Chapter and verse where stealing property of citizens for Government power was OK? We fought a Revolution for that Fakey...I think it is YOU that needs a refresher.You folks who have trouble with this go back read the Constitution and then a basic freshman history book for college.
Let's move along, OK.
how many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th century?1.) i'm not a libertarian.
2.) does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?
"income redistribution" is, exactly, theft. it is the direct violation of one of the most fundamental rights man has: The right to possess property he has justly acquired. Without that right, man is no more than an animal.
Someone who seeks to "redistribute" anyone's income other than his own, is merely a common thief.
And a government that seeks to do the same, is equally a thief. Multiplied by the number of people whose income it tries to "redistribute".
it is.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
As history of the xx century has proved.
Millions perish. And in the very end it still does not work.
And those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.
How many millions of people did capitalism kill in the 20th Century?It IS.
and that is why when it happens - the violence is employed.
as history of the XX century has proved.
MILLIONS perish. And in the very end it still DOES NOT WORK.
and those societies crumble and have to revert to the old good proven to work capitalism.
Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.
Govt"redistribution of wealth" is no more than theft and distribution of stolen goods
Nope.
Virtually none. In fact, capitalism saved millions of lives. We live a lot longer now because of capitalism. We also work a lot less and enjoy life a lot more.
Since the beginning of government regulated social market democracy, yes.
It's theft only if you reject the principle that a government of the People can establish a set of laws, that include deciding what is legal and what isn't.
I reject it. Government has no authority over me.
That's funny, you make the same exact arguments as the Von Mises crowd.1.) I'm not a libertarian.
2.) Does anyone have any comments that are actually related to the subject of the thread (govt redistribution of wealth being theft, and examples showing theft and non-theft)?
So what exactly is government redistributing? Is it apples? I hate to repeat myself but you've gone to the Arthur Murray school of debating. Tap dancing around the subject matter.
The farmers deed to his property has value b/c the US government makes it so. No deed. No ownership.
I have yet to see you counter this simple observation: But for the federal government and US constitution and laws thereof, your farmer has no property rights, no farmland, no apples to sell.
Looks like we have another liberal who disagrees with the Declaration of Independence, which says we have certain unalienable rights, and that they come from our Creator.In the USA, all property rights are created by the government. That's a fact.
I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.
I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.
You are a pathetic brainwashed moron.
I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.
I see absolutely no problem with the actual workers getting a fair share of all profits etc. Why should they have to bust their ass to make minimum wage and depend on welfare to get by while the fat cats sit in their corner offices with the sky view and rake in millions and billions? When it comes to economics I am 100% a socialist. I absolutely can not stand capitalism its for the rich by the rich to exploit the poor.
You are a pathetic brainwashed moron.
Not hardly. You would be brainwashed if you don't think workers have a right to the profits they helped make by selling the items for the big bosses...50/50.