Government vs. The Free Market

[Quantum Windbag]

May 24, 1844

Samuel F.B. Morse telegraphs: “What hath G-d wrought?” from Washington to Baltimore Anne Ellsworth, the daughter of the commissioner of patents, had chosen the phrase for Morse. The test was a success, and on May 29th news of James K. Polk’s nomination flashed across the 40 miles to Washington.

laissez faire capitalism was shown to be a massive failure, enriching only robber barons and the like.

a combination of free market and governmental intervention (like the sherman anti-trust act, the FLSA, etc) have always been better and have always been successful.

unless, of course, you live in a fantasy world.

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

May 24, 1844

Samuel F.B. Morse telegraphs: “What hath G-d wrought?” from Washington to Baltimore Anne Ellsworth, the daughter of the commissioner of patents, had chosen the phrase for Morse. The test was a success, and on May 29th news of James K. Polk’s nomination flashed across the 40 miles to Washington.

laissez faire capitalism was shown to be a massive failure, enriching only robber barons and the like.

a combination of free market and governmental intervention (like the sherman anti-trust act, the FLSA, etc) have always been better and have always been successful.

unless, of course, you live in a fantasy world.

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

13. Absolutely.

The railroad-government complex is a fine example: the Interstate Commerce Commission, demanded by railroad magnates, who wanted protection from smaller railroad lines. The first federal regulatory agency, the Interstate Commerce Commission, was set up to regulate railroad freight rates in the 1880s. Soon thereafter, Richard Olney, a prominent railroad lawyer, came to Washington to serve as Grover Cleveland's attorney general, stated in an 1892 letter:

"The Commission . . . is, or can be made, of great use to the railroads. It satisfies the popular clamor for a government supervision of the railroads, at the same time that that supervision is almost entirely nominal. Further, the older such a commission gets to be, the more inclined it will be found to take the business and railroad view of things. . . . The part of wisdom is not to destroy the Commission, but to utilize it." Obama and 'Regulatory Capture' - WSJ.com

 

[regent]

laissez faire capitalism was shown to be a massive failure, enriching only robber barons and the like.

a combination of free market and governmental intervention (like the sherman anti-trust act, the FLSA, etc) have always been better and have always been successful.

unless, of course, you live in a fantasy world.

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

13. Absolutely.

The railroad-government complex is a fine example: the Interstate Commerce Commission, demanded by railroad magnates, who wanted protection from smaller railroad lines. The first federal regulatory agency, the Interstate Commerce Commission, was set up to regulate railroad freight rates in the 1880s. Soon thereafter, Richard Olney, a prominent railroad lawyer, came to Washington to serve as Grover Cleveland's attorney general, stated in an 1892 letter:

"The Commission . . . is, or can be made, of great use to the railroads. It satisfies the popular clamor for a government supervision of the railroads, at the same time that that supervision is almost entirely nominal. Further, the older such a commission gets to be, the more inclined it will be found to take the business and railroad view of things. . . . The part of wisdom is not to destroy the Commission, but to utilize it." Obama and 'Regulatory Capture' - WSJ.com

So when in American history did we have that free market system?
When did the free market system in America end?
What is a free market system?
What nations today have a free market system?

 

[PoliticalChic]

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

13. Absolutely.

The railroad-government complex is a fine example: the Interstate Commerce Commission, demanded by railroad magnates, who wanted protection from smaller railroad lines. The first federal regulatory agency, the Interstate Commerce Commission, was set up to regulate railroad freight rates in the 1880s. Soon thereafter, Richard Olney, a prominent railroad lawyer, came to Washington to serve as Grover Cleveland's attorney general, stated in an 1892 letter:

"The Commission . . . is, or can be made, of great use to the railroads. It satisfies the popular clamor for a government supervision of the railroads, at the same time that that supervision is almost entirely nominal. Further, the older such a commission gets to be, the more inclined it will be found to take the business and railroad view of things. . . . The part of wisdom is not to destroy the Commission, but to utilize it." Obama and 'Regulatory Capture' - WSJ.com

So when in American history did we have that free market system?
When did the free market system in America end?
What is a free market system?
What nations today have a free market system?

This is not the first time your queried information already provided.

From the OP:

President Jefferson was one of the first to agree to government investments: in 1806, he signed a bill to fund the National Road. The funding was thought to be consistent with the enumerated powers, as it was considered necessary for both national defense, and for mail delivery.
See Karl Raitz, "The National Road and American Culture."

a. But, once construction began, the pattern was exactly the same as one can see today in government projects: as long as taxpayer funds were provided, the road got longer and longer, with twists and turns....politicians with the clout made certain that the road went all through their districts, whether it made sense or not.




Make an appointment with your healthcare professional as soon as possible.

 

[boedicca]

May 24, 1844

Samuel F.B. Morse telegraphs: “What hath G-d wrought?” from Washington to Baltimore Anne Ellsworth, the daughter of the commissioner of patents, had chosen the phrase for Morse. The test was a success, and on May 29th news of James K. Polk’s nomination flashed across the 40 miles to Washington.

laissez faire capitalism was shown to be a massive failure, enriching only robber barons and the like.

a combination of free market and governmental intervention (like the sherman anti-trust act, the FLSA, etc) have always been better and have always been successful.

unless, of course, you live in a fantasy world.

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

It's pretty typical that the Big Government supports blame all the ills caused by their Cronyism on the Free Market.

It's an intellectually dishonest game of "Squirrel!".

 

[PoliticalChic]

laissez faire capitalism was shown to be a massive failure, enriching only robber barons and the like.

a combination of free market and governmental intervention (like the sherman anti-trust act, the FLSA, etc) have always been better and have always been successful.

unless, of course, you live in a fantasy world.

When was that, I must have missed it in my history classes, all I remember are the railroad tycoons who were granted government enforced monopolies.

It's pretty typical that the Big Government supports blame all the ills caused by their Cronyism on the Free Market.

It's an intellectually dishonest game of "Squirrel!".

There are two basic principles that obviate government involving itself in the free market:

1. Article 1, section 8 of the United States Constitution


2. The very different motivations of the market entrepreneur, vs. the bureaucrat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What, in fact, are the motivations of the bureaucrat?



14. Tim Carney has described the simple rule guiding the legislative process today: “But the rule of thumb in Washington—at least as true in Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi’s Washington as it was in George W. Bush and Tom DeLay’s Washington—is that no important bill passes unless a well-connected special interest benefits from it.”
Global warming bill becomes another Washington porkfest | WashingtonExaminer.com



a. “Congress passed a strict “food safety” bill Thursday, to the joy of big food processors and the dismay of small, local farmers. President Barack Obama supports the legislation, continuing his pattern of backing big-government solutions that favor the very big businesses he claims to be curbing. Kellogg and the Grocery Manufacturers of America lobbied for this burdensome bill, while organic food advocates and fresh food enthusiasts — the folks most intimately concerned with food quality — have opposed it.” Timothy P. Carney: Big government gets in your food, hurts small farmers | WashingtonExaminer.com

"....solutions that favor the very big businesses he claims to be curbing."

Democrats....the protectors of the 'little guy'???
More smoke and mirrors than a fire in a brothel.
Did you vote for this guy?




b. “Obama signed the “Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act,” and followed it up by saying: "Today, despite decades of lobbying and advertising by the tobacco industry, we've passed a law to help protect the next generation of Americans from growing up with a deadly habit..."

Philip Morris championed that bill for years. The next day, the homepage of Phillip Morris said: "Philip Morris supports Federal Regulation of Tobacco."… Philip Morris spent $40,000-a-day on a pro-regulation lobbying effort.”
Barack Obama: The Best Friend of Big Business - St. Louis Conservative | Examiner.com

"....Obama said....."
That's pretty much the definition of a lie.




So, whenever big government acolytes seem to be propounding some project that you find beneficial....look closely.

And remember this, from Longfellow's "The Psalm of Life"....

"Tell me not, in mournful numbers, / Life is but an empty dream! / For the soul is dead that slumbers, / And things are not what they seem."


Keep government out of the free market.

 

[asterism]

Think of it like a basketball game. One team is the consumers and the other team is business and government is the referee.

A referee that gets to selectively enforce the rules based on who is bribing him or whether the team has the approved views of his infallibility.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Government vs. The Free Market

Typical of most conservative ideologues, to perceive the issues only in a black and white context, devoid of facts or the truth.

It is ridiculous to present the ‘argument’ that government is somehow ‘at odds’ with free markets, when in fact government is vital to the health and prosperity of the markets.

Regulatory policies as authorized by the Commerce Clause ensure the integrity of the markets while safeguarding citizens’ health and well-being; for more than a century ‘natural regulators’ of the free market system have been rendered woefully inadequate as a consequence of the application modern technologies today reflected in the goods and services available to consumers.

Government regulatory policy serves both the consumer and corporate entities, in addition to providing necessary and proper protections for working Americans (US v. Darby (1941)).

The clear need for regulatory policy in a 21st Century industrialized society confirms the fact that conservative fiscal and economic dogma is naïve, unrealistic, and reactionary, as the notion that markets can ‘self-regulate’ was long ago demonstrated to be false.

 

[regent]

13. Absolutely.

The railroad-government complex is a fine example: the Interstate Commerce Commission, demanded by railroad magnates, who wanted protection from smaller railroad lines. The first federal regulatory agency, the Interstate Commerce Commission, was set up to regulate railroad freight rates in the 1880s. Soon thereafter, Richard Olney, a prominent railroad lawyer, came to Washington to serve as Grover Cleveland's attorney general, stated in an 1892 letter:

"The Commission . . . is, or can be made, of great use to the railroads. It satisfies the popular clamor for a government supervision of the railroads, at the same time that that supervision is almost entirely nominal. Further, the older such a commission gets to be, the more inclined it will be found to take the business and railroad view of things. . . . The part of wisdom is not to destroy the Commission, but to utilize it." Obama and 'Regulatory Capture' - WSJ.com

So when in American history did we have that free market system?
When did the free market system in America end?
What is a free market system?
What nations today have a free market system?

This is not the first time your queried information already provided.

From the OP:

President Jefferson was one of the first to agree to government investments: in 1806, he signed a bill to fund the National Road. The funding was thought to be consistent with the enumerated powers, as it was considered necessary for both national defense, and for mail delivery.
See Karl Raitz, "The National Road and American Culture."

a. But, once construction began, the pattern was exactly the same as one can see today in government projects: as long as taxpayer funds were provided, the road got longer and longer, with twists and turns....politicians with the clout made certain that the road went all through their districts, whether it made sense or not.




Make an appointment with your healthcare professional as soon as possible.

So America has never had a free market system, and I really think it was the Washington administration that first got our government involved in the US economy. But still the other question, are there any nations today that has a Laissez Faire economic system? If not, that means that all governments are involved, as is the United States, in their system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government vs. The Free Market

Typical of most conservative ideologues, to perceive the issues only in a black and white context, devoid of facts or the truth.

It is ridiculous to present the ‘argument’ that government is somehow ‘at odds’ with free markets, when in fact government is vital to the health and prosperity of the markets.

Regulatory policies as authorized by the Commerce Clause ensure the integrity of the markets while safeguarding citizens’ health and well-being; for more than a century ‘natural regulators’ of the free market system have been rendered woefully inadequate as a consequence of the application modern technologies today reflected in the goods and services available to consumers.

Government regulatory policy serves both the consumer and corporate entities, in addition to providing necessary and proper protections for working Americans (US v. Darby (1941)).

The clear need for regulatory policy in a 21st Century industrialized society confirms the fact that conservative fiscal and economic dogma is naïve, unrealistic, and reactionary, as the notion that markets can ‘self-regulate’ was long ago demonstrated to be false.

"...devoid of facts and truth."

Au contraire......chock full of facts and truths....and documented and linked facts and truths.


Here is one more fact and truth: you are a moron.

 

[asterism]

Government vs. The Free Market

Typical of most conservative ideologues, to perceive the issues only in a black and white context, devoid of facts or the truth.

It is ridiculous to present the ‘argument’ that government is somehow ‘at odds’ with free markets, when in fact government is vital to the health and prosperity of the markets.

Regulatory policies as authorized by the Commerce Clause ensure the integrity of the markets while safeguarding citizens’ health and well-being; for more than a century ‘natural regulators’ of the free market system have been rendered woefully inadequate as a consequence of the application modern technologies today reflected in the goods and services available to consumers.

Government regulatory policy serves both the consumer and corporate entities, in addition to providing necessary and proper protections for working Americans (US v. Darby (1941)).

The clear need for regulatory policy in a 21st Century industrialized society confirms the fact that conservative fiscal and economic dogma is naïve, unrealistic, and reactionary, as the notion that markets can ‘self-regulate’ was long ago demonstrated to be false.

Only because our government has stopped being the referee and has instead become the third team. We need less government micromanagement and more government oversight so that an unfettered free-market can emerge.

I agree that it takes a government to create freedom (it did when we split from the monarchy), but it doesn't take active manipulation of details to have economic freedom and liberty. It takes a government that levels the playing field and our government no longer does that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So when in American history did we have that free market system?
When did the free market system in America end?
What is a free market system?
What nations today have a free market system?

This is not the first time your queried information already provided.

From the OP:

President Jefferson was one of the first to agree to government investments: in 1806, he signed a bill to fund the National Road. The funding was thought to be consistent with the enumerated powers, as it was considered necessary for both national defense, and for mail delivery.
See Karl Raitz, "The National Road and American Culture."

a. But, once construction began, the pattern was exactly the same as one can see today in government projects: as long as taxpayer funds were provided, the road got longer and longer, with twists and turns....politicians with the clout made certain that the road went all through their districts, whether it made sense or not.




Make an appointment with your healthcare professional as soon as possible.

So America has never had a free market system, and I really think it was the Washington administration that first got our government involved in the US economy. But still the other question, are there any nations today that has a Laissez Faire economic system? If not, that means that all governments are involved, as is the United States, in their system.

The nature of the US government has changed considerably since it s inception. This, due largely, to the fact that so very many of our early Presidents were taught and influenced by German political ideas, notably those of Hegel.

More: the intellectual descendants of those who worshiped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations…the lodestar of enlightened economic policy….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration’ are known today by the sobriquet 'Progressives.'

Or, Liberals....or Democrats.






And that brings us to your favorite, Franklin Roosevelt.

15. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war.

The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.


a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out...What??? You actually believed Roosevelt?





For an example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned).
This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"



b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely, and idolized his economic policies.

From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Government vs. The Free Market

Typical of most conservative ideologues, to perceive the issues only in a black and white context, devoid of facts or the truth.

It is ridiculous to present the ‘argument’ that government is somehow ‘at odds’ with free markets, when in fact government is vital to the health and prosperity of the markets.

Regulatory policies as authorized by the Commerce Clause ensure the integrity of the markets while safeguarding citizens’ health and well-being; for more than a century ‘natural regulators’ of the free market system have been rendered woefully inadequate as a consequence of the application modern technologies today reflected in the goods and services available to consumers.

Government regulatory policy serves both the consumer and corporate entities, in addition to providing necessary and proper protections for working Americans (US v. Darby (1941)).

The clear need for regulatory policy in a 21st Century industrialized society confirms the fact that conservative fiscal and economic dogma is naïve, unrealistic, and reactionary, as the notion that markets can ‘self-regulate’ was long ago demonstrated to be false.

Can you provide actual evidence that, without government regulation, there would be no commerce, or is this simply another example of your lack of understanding of the issues and unconditional support for the government?

 

[regent]

This is not the first time your queried information already provided.

From the OP:

President Jefferson was one of the first to agree to government investments: in 1806, he signed a bill to fund the National Road. The funding was thought to be consistent with the enumerated powers, as it was considered necessary for both national defense, and for mail delivery.
See Karl Raitz, "The National Road and American Culture."

a. But, once construction began, the pattern was exactly the same as one can see today in government projects: as long as taxpayer funds were provided, the road got longer and longer, with twists and turns....politicians with the clout made certain that the road went all through their districts, whether it made sense or not.




Make an appointment with your healthcare professional as soon as possible.

So America has never had a free market system, and I really think it was the Washington administration that first got our government involved in the US economy. But still the other question, are there any nations today that has a Laissez Faire economic system? If not, that means that all governments are involved, as is the United States, in their system.

The nature of the US government has changed considerably since it s inception. This, due largely, to the fact that so very many of our early Presidents were taught and influenced by German political ideas, notably those of Hegel.

More: the intellectual descendants of those who worshiped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations…the lodestar of enlightened economic policy….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration’ are known today by the sobriquet 'Progressives.'

Or, Liberals....or Democrats.






And that brings us to your favorite, Franklin Roosevelt.

15. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war.

The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.


a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out...What??? You actually believed Roosevelt?





For an example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned).
This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"



b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely, and idolized his economic policies.

From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

Where in the world are you trying to go with this? One route leads to dialectical materialism and another to FDR's experiments to end the Great Depression, and in there someplace is Mussolini's craving for pasta. And standing in the cold is Hitler with nothing to do with anything. Maybe try the soft underbelly thing again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So America has never had a free market system, and I really think it was the Washington administration that first got our government involved in the US economy. But still the other question, are there any nations today that has a Laissez Faire economic system? If not, that means that all governments are involved, as is the United States, in their system.

The nature of the US government has changed considerably since it s inception. This, due largely, to the fact that so very many of our early Presidents were taught and influenced by German political ideas, notably those of Hegel.

More: the intellectual descendants of those who worshiped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations…the lodestar of enlightened economic policy….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration’ are known today by the sobriquet 'Progressives.'

Or, Liberals....or Democrats.






And that brings us to your favorite, Franklin Roosevelt.

15. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war.

The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.


a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out...What??? You actually believed Roosevelt?





For an example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned).
This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"



b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely, and idolized his economic policies.

From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

Where in the world are you trying to go with this? One route leads to dialectical materialism and another to FDR's experiments to end the Great Depression, and in there someplace is Mussolini's craving for pasta. And standing in the cold is Hitler with nothing to do with anything. Maybe try the soft underbelly thing again.

See....now you are going to have to be punished again....I'll work on another OP revealing the close and person attachments of Franklin Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin.




But....to complete my thought on government interference in the free market, and to stick my finger in C_Chamber_Pot's eye, with another documented post:


The conclusion is clear: given their druthers, Big Government proponents.....socialists, communists, Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, etc., would control outright or via regulation, all endeavors by individuals.

All.


16. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins (Roosevelt's Secretary of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."




Roosevelt's NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..."

New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


a. Some may be surprised at the affection that Roosevelt had for Mussolini, and his economic policies. He was even more enchanted with Stalin, and his!



" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48





So, there you are: when government gets to control the economy, the chances for the individual to be successful fly out the window.

And so does 'democracy.'

 

[regent]

The nature of the US government has changed considerably since it s inception. This, due largely, to the fact that so very many of our early Presidents were taught and influenced by German political ideas, notably those of Hegel.

More: the intellectual descendants of those who worshiped Bismarck’s Prussia or Mussolini’s Ministry of Corporations…the lodestar of enlightened economic policy….in a quest for the holy grail of government-business ‘collaboration’ are known today by the sobriquet 'Progressives.'

Or, Liberals....or Democrats.






And that brings us to your favorite, Franklin Roosevelt.

15. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war.

The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.


a. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out...What??? You actually believed Roosevelt?





For an example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned).
This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism"



b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely, and idolized his economic policies.

From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

Where in the world are you trying to go with this? One route leads to dialectical materialism and another to FDR's experiments to end the Great Depression, and in there someplace is Mussolini's craving for pasta. And standing in the cold is Hitler with nothing to do with anything. Maybe try the soft underbelly thing again.

See....now you are going to have to be punished again....I'll work on another OP revealing the close and person attachments of Franklin Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin.




But....to complete my thought on government interference in the free market, and to stick my finger in C_Chamber_Pot's eye, with another documented post:


The conclusion is clear: given their druthers, Big Government proponents.....socialists, communists, Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, etc., would control outright or via regulation, all endeavors by individuals.

All.


16. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins (Roosevelt's Secretary of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."




Roosevelt's NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..."

New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


a. Some may be surprised at the affection that Roosevelt had for Mussolini, and his economic policies. He was even more enchanted with Stalin, and his!



" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48





So, there you are: when government gets to control the economy, the chances for the individual to be successful fly out the window.

And so does 'democracy.'

Perhaps FDR like Hamilton and Washington were trying to make sure business made a profit. Rather than dump milk or produced products in the sewer or sell at a loss Business and farmer had to make money, hence FDR asked business to set up a price system so that a profit could be made. I don't think it had anything to do with pasta, just part of the experiment to get America started out of the Great Depression. You keep trying to connect everything with communism and now fascism and history is not that complicated. Besides FDR is still rated as America's best president, A-one, the big guy, and Bush still rated sixth worst.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Where in the world are you trying to go with this? One route leads to dialectical materialism and another to FDR's experiments to end the Great Depression, and in there someplace is Mussolini's craving for pasta. And standing in the cold is Hitler with nothing to do with anything. Maybe try the soft underbelly thing again.

See....now you are going to have to be punished again....I'll work on another OP revealing the close and person attachments of Franklin Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin.




But....to complete my thought on government interference in the free market, and to stick my finger in C_Chamber_Pot's eye, with another documented post:


The conclusion is clear: given their druthers, Big Government proponents.....socialists, communists, Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, etc., would control outright or via regulation, all endeavors by individuals.

All.


16. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins (Roosevelt's Secretary of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."




Roosevelt's NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..."

New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


a. Some may be surprised at the affection that Roosevelt had for Mussolini, and his economic policies. He was even more enchanted with Stalin, and his!



" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48





So, there you are: when government gets to control the economy, the chances for the individual to be successful fly out the window.

And so does 'democracy.'

Perhaps FDR like Hamilton and Washington were trying to make sure business made a profit. Rather than dump milk or produced products in the sewer or sell at a loss Business and farmer had to make money, hence FDR asked business to set up a price system so that a profit could be made. I don't think it had anything to do with pasta, just part of the experiment to get America started out of the Great Depression. You keep trying to connect everything with communism and now fascism and history is not that complicated. Besides FDR is still rated as America's best president, A-one, the big guy, and Bush still rated sixth worst.

Sigh....if only you understood history....

Well, your remediation continues.


1. " ...FDR....to get America started out of the Great Depression."

a. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

b. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…”

He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78%

c. "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot." Henry Morgenthau, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.




2. " You keep trying to connect everything with communism and now fascism...."

See, that's what I mean about your lack of understanding.

Fascism is related to communism.....and both are connected to American history due to the efforts of Franklin Roosevelt.

The common denominator is big, overreaching government.




3.Franklin Roosevelt was a megalomaniac.

a. ‘Roosevelt imagined he could fix the world gold price from his bedroom. Morgenthau reported that when he visited Roosevelt on Friday, November 3, he suggested a 10- or 15-cent rise from the previous day, and Roosevelt decided on a 21-cent rise. Morgenthau asked the rationale for 21 cents, and Roosevelt is reported to have replied that “three times seven” is a lucky number. Raymond Moley, who became an opponent of the New Deal after being a part of it, remarked, “Roosevelt gravely marred his image as a responsible statesman, by the early-morning bedside guesses with Morgenthau about what the price of gold was to be ‘that day.’”
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0906e.asp



BTW....George Kennan said pretty much the same thing about Roosevelt vis-a-vis Stalin.



You should take notes.

 

[regent]

See....now you are going to have to be punished again....I'll work on another OP revealing the close and person attachments of Franklin Roosevelt and Joseph Stalin.




But....to complete my thought on government interference in the free market, and to stick my finger in C_Chamber_Pot's eye, with another documented post:


The conclusion is clear: given their druthers, Big Government proponents.....socialists, communists, Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, etc., would control outright or via regulation, all endeavors by individuals.

All.


16. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell was opposed to any private business not controlled by the government. General Hugh Johnson was working with Tugwell on a bill to create the NRA, and gave Francis Perkins (Roosevelt's Secretary of Labor) the book by Rafaello Viglione, "The Corporate State," in which the neat Italian system of dictatorship for the benefit of the people was glowingly described."
Francis Perkins, "The Roosevelt I Knew."




Roosevelt's NRA was copied from Mussolini's corporative system. Perkins questioned whether Johnson 'really understood the democratic process..."

New Dealers had no problem with the fascist nature of their plans.


a. Some may be surprised at the affection that Roosevelt had for Mussolini, and his economic policies. He was even more enchanted with Stalin, and his!



" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48





So, there you are: when government gets to control the economy, the chances for the individual to be successful fly out the window.

And so does 'democracy.'

Perhaps FDR like Hamilton and Washington were trying to make sure business made a profit. Rather than dump milk or produced products in the sewer or sell at a loss Business and farmer had to make money, hence FDR asked business to set up a price system so that a profit could be made. I don't think it had anything to do with pasta, just part of the experiment to get America started out of the Great Depression. You keep trying to connect everything with communism and now fascism and history is not that complicated. Besides FDR is still rated as America's best president, A-one, the big guy, and Bush still rated sixth worst.

Sigh....if only you understood history....

Well, your remediation continues.


1. " ...FDR....to get America started out of the Great Depression."

a. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
The Real Deal - Society and Culture - AEI

b. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…”

He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78%

c. "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot." Henry Morgenthau, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.




2. " You keep trying to connect everything with communism and now fascism...."

See, that's what I mean about your lack of understanding.

Fascism is related to communism.....and both are connected to American history due to the efforts of Franklin Roosevelt.

The common denominator is big, overreaching government.




3.Franklin Roosevelt was a megalomaniac.

a. ‘Roosevelt imagined he could fix the world gold price from his bedroom. Morgenthau reported that when he visited Roosevelt on Friday, November 3, he suggested a 10- or 15-cent rise from the previous day, and Roosevelt decided on a 21-cent rise. Morgenthau asked the rationale for 21 cents, and Roosevelt is reported to have replied that “three times seven” is a lucky number. Raymond Moley, who became an opponent of the New Deal after being a part of it, remarked, “Roosevelt gravely marred his image as a responsible statesman, by the early-morning bedside guesses with Morgenthau about what the price of gold was to be ‘that day.’”
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0906e.asp



BTW....George Kennan said pretty much the same thing about Roosevelt vis-a-vis Stalin.



You should take notes.

Notes on what? Your interpretation of history? FDR setting the price of gold that morning was pretty funny but is well known in history, What do you suppose FDR's purpose was that morning setting the price of gold?

 

[sealybobo]

Talk about stupid!

You don't realize that your post....undocumented, too......supports my point: the government is no "referee."


It should stay out of the free market.

Its supposed to be the referee. It most certainly should not "stay out of it" as corporations turn America into a 3rd world country.

I'm in favor of free speech, you're not: you must be a Liberal.

You must be a fascist. So either you are Exxon or a Corporation or a VP of one or you are a fool. I think you are referring to Citizens United where the Supreme Court basically handed our democracy over to the corporations on a platter. We all know what you guys mean by free speech.

This is why the government should be the referee. Employees Vs. Corporations. Right now the government is bought and paid for by the corporations because of Citizens United, thanks to Bush appointing two right wing loons who agree with you.

Again either you are a corporation or a fool. You can private message me the real answer. Are you rich? Then wake the fuck up dummy. The rich own the GOP. Are you rich or just a racist religious gun nut?