GOP - the economy, the Middle East - it has nothing to do with us. It's Obama's!

[rdean]

Look at these right wing Republicans here on the USMB.

It's been 5.6 years since Obama because president. The destabilized Middle East, the screwed up economy, the many trillions in deficit, ISIS, the millions of jobs moved overseas from 2001 to 2008, the tens of thousands of factories closed when those jobs left. None of that has anything to do with us. They belong to your "messiah", Obama, who apparently can't work miracles.

Reminds me of the time my Great Dane crapped all over our neighbor's yard. Two days later, he said, "You have to help clean that up. Your dog did it". So I say, "That was two days ago. After two days, it's yours, I have nothing to do with it". So the yard now belongs to Obama. And instead of getting out of the way, Republicans take potshots to stop him from being effective.

Today's NEWS FLASH: Army's don't suddenly "materialize".

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Why the Iraqi army can't defeat ISIS

Rosenblatt said, "those second-in-command guys have very strong ties to Saddam's army." Acquiring lots of weapons, money, and experience over the course of the Syrian war allowed them to translate that new training into real military effectiveness.

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

This matters greatly. An undisciplined force, one whose movements aren't well coordinated or can't deploy proper tactics for taking city blocks, can be beaten by a much smaller opponent that knows what it's doing.

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Bush: 'I can't remember why we disbanded the Iraqi army'

Now we know where Saddam's well trained army went.

Republicans are the gift that just keep giving and giving and giving....................

So these USMB Republicans say "What would you do?"

All I can say is "I don't know". It's like a train going over a cliff. Halfway down, the guy who owns the train says, "Aren't you going to stop this? It's your cliff."

 

[Stephanie]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

 

[Mad Scientist]

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

 

[Sunni Man]

Rdean........in what year of Obama's second term should he start being held accountable for his job performance? ......

 

[rdean]

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

I don't know. Perhaps we should have asked Reagan when he was alive. Or ask Bush. Or ask McCain. Didn't they love to help terrorists?

Republicans to Obama:

 

[rdean]

Rdean........in what year of Obama's second term should he start being held accountable for his job performance? ......

I agree. He should sue the do nothing congress.

 

[Nova78]

Go get a job and move out of mommies basement, and do the world a favor and please do not breed.

 

[rdean]

Go get a job and move out of mommies basement, and do the world a favor and please do not breed.View attachment 31029

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Breeding is OK, just not with family members. The anti science crowd doesn't understand why not.

 

[Moonglow]

That's right, things get better after GOP rule and they had nothing to do with it, they won't even take responsibility for Boosh! or the GOP Congress...The GOP is not into taking personal responsibility, but it makes for a good ad pitch during campaigning..

 

[rdean]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

See, I knew what your ignorant self was going to say even before you said it. Too, too predictable.

It's been 5.6 years since Obama because president. The destabilized Middle East, the screwed up economy, the many trillions in deficit, ISIS, the millions of jobs moved overseas from 2001 to 2008, the tens of thousands of factories closed when those jobs left. None of that has anything to do with us. They belong to your "messiah", Obama, who apparently can't work miracles.

 

[mudwhistle]

Rdean........in what year of Obama's second term should he start being held accountable for his job performance? ......

This job is just too hard for Obama.

He didn't count on being tested by actual world events. He was counting on only dealing with fake crisis after fake crisis of his own making.

The Republicans refuse to do anything about it, so he just wants to go on another vacation
He's going to Martha's Vineyard to rub elbows with the filthy rich and forget about all of this unimportant crap. Frankly, this is all beneath him anyway.

 

[Sallow]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

 

[Moonglow]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

But,,,but,,,but the GOP never negotiates with known terrorist!!!

 

[rdean]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

It was predicted even before the war. The pope had a special meeting with Bush warning him even before the disasterous "Mission Accomplished" invasion.

 

[Sallow]

That's right, things get better after GOP rule and they had nothing to do with it, they won't even take responsibility for Boosh! or the GOP Congress...The GOP is not into taking personal responsibility, but it makes for a good ad pitch during campaigning..

History for conservatives goes like this:

Jesus came to the US and gave the founders the Constitution to establish a Christian Nation. Then the North attacked the poor south and took away their guns. Then Reagan came and kicked the asses of the commies and the unions. Everything was cool until Clinton got a blowjob. Then it really went to shit in 2009 with the election of a guy with an arab name.

The end.

 

[Sallow]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

But,,,but,,,but the GOP never negotiates with known terrorist!!!

With the exceptions of Osama Bin Laden, Orlando Bosch and Mommar Gaddafi.

But they were okay..because they hated commies.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

Sounds like shades of German reconstruction. Anyone remember the Marshall plan?

The calls to get out of Iraq is the cause of this. Sticking it out like we did everywhere else never even crossed nutjobs like Obama's mind. His problem is he believes in his ideology so deeply that rationality is thrown out the window. He wanted to be able to say he got us out of Iraq. The consequences be damned.

 

[Sallow]

No, there is nothing that is your Messiah Obama's fault. we all know that by now

he is a poor helpless little man according to you..bravo

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

Sounds like shades of German reconstruction. Anyone remember the Marshall plan?

The calls to get out of Iraq is the cause of this. Sticking it out like we did everywhere else never even crossed nutjobs like Obama's mind. His problem is he believes in his ideology so deeply that rationality is thrown out the window. He wanted to be able to say he got us out of Iraq. The consequences be damned.

The Marshall plan never involved disbanding the military and making government officials unable to serve because of party affiliation.

Those were patently stupid things to do.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Bush administration completely disbanded an Military of over 300K people and made the Baathists illegal. That was the real beginning of the Iraqi insurgency and civil war. That spun completely out of control until the consilieres of the elder Bush, Jim Baker and Robert Gates had to kibosh the PNAC boys Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and the rest.

They brought in David Petraeus who was a COIN expert and immediately employed the "Oil Spot" strategy, which, among other things, calls for "buying off" your adversaries. In affect, they put the "terrorists" on the payroll. Which never would have been necessary had they not disbanded the army. Of course the whole thing would have never been necessary had we not invaded Iraq. This whole thing was predicted.

Sounds like shades of German reconstruction. Anyone remember the Marshall plan?

The calls to get out of Iraq is the cause of this. Sticking it out like we did everywhere else never even crossed nutjobs like Obama's mind. His problem is he believes in his ideology so deeply that rationality is thrown out the window. He wanted to be able to say he got us out of Iraq. The consequences be damned.

The Marshall plan never involved disbanding the military and making government officials unable to serve because of party affiliation.

Those were patently stupid things to do.

I never said it did.

It's easier to show leadership where it's needed and teaching Iraqis how to be successful than it is starting from scratch.

Anyone who's been around the military since Obama took office has witnessed an almost complete lack of leadership from the Whitehouse. I don't expect him to be any different when it comes to rebuilding an infrastructure, an economy, and a government in a foreign country.

 

[LiberalMedia]

It's hard to overstate how much of advantage this training and professionalism gives the Islamist group. "ISIS knows how to use smaller units" effectively against larger forces, says Smyth. They're "very efficient, and you have to deal with that."

The United States funded ISIS is Syria before they became ISIS.

ISIS Trained by US Government

So you gotta' ask yerself: "Why would the US fund then bomb a Terrorist Organisation?"

Or you can just take a side and be a political hack.

That's a very good link you have, demonstrating that John McCain (a Wrongpublican) was pysynylly involved in the training of these terrorists. One particular passage in the article stands out though, and I want to address that in case anyone missed it.

McCain was photographed with General Salim Idris, who was later expelled from the group because he was seen as too moderate for them. The new leader of the group is General Ibrahim al-Douri, who was the Vice-President of the Revolutionary Council under former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. He was supposed to be the successor to Hussein, and looks like this goal may still be reached.

Keep in mind that we're not talking about ISIS itself, but a group of Middle Easterners who were supposed to overthrow the al-Assad government in Syria in a Bay of Pigs-style re-invasion by "Syrian" expatriates. The old leader of this militant group was deemed as being "too moderate" and was thrown out, only to be replaced by a former Hussein bigwig.

Saddam Hussein, as any good American knows, was an Islamic fundamentalist bigot who killed anyone who didn't subscribe to his warped world view. He was an enemy to democracy and freedom, especially the freedom of thought. Using his extremist religious views, his government openly slaughtered anyone who didn't subscribe to Islam. He even killed pyyple who followed that backwards, bigoted religion slightly differently than he did. It stands to reason that his former right-hand-manpig would be similarly oppressive and fundamentalist in his views.