GOP may "leverage" debt ceiling against de-funding Obamacare

[CrusaderFrank]

bear513, we won this program, because the GOP lost the ball between 1994 to 2006.

Complain all you want, it is not going back to what it was.

You didnt win shit unless you think destroying people income is winning? cutting peoples hours to part time is winning? raising up premeiums is winning? taking the greatest health care system in the world that money can buy and water it down to Europes crap health care system is winning? and thinking young folks will sign up instead of paying a little penalty next year is just a pipe dream. Obama care will crash. Granted it will prolly change to single payer but Obama care will crash. and btw Obama had like 4 years Jakey to stop the Fiscal cliff why did he wait so long since you ***** about the Republicans in a non issue of health care p.s. sorry for and spell errors but wrote is fast because I can not stand Obama care.

We got it because the GOP, my party, betrayed the people of America, selling them out to the private insurance industry.

Step off.

LOL @ my party

#fakejake

 

[JakeStarkey]

fake crusader.

The GOP had 12 years to get this done.

All we have now is whine baby losers.

Tuff dat.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

fake crusader.

The GOP had 12 years to get this done.

All we have now is whine baby losers.

Tuff dat.

Bush was an evil lying scumbag who was there to increase the size and scope of the state and make us insecure and terrified of the Islamic boogeyman

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, blubber all you want.

It's not pretty.

This is over, and you have failed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake says "my party" the same way Zona says "I'm a guy"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Franky, give it up.

 

[francoHFW]

It's your right to make a bad mistake, Bear513, but when you get ill or injured, severely, we are going to have pay for you. OK.

Nope you do know I live in South Carolina right? they garnish wages on hospital bills and it should of been like that in all 50 states.

Without O-Care, if you had a serious illness or a bad accident, you would lose everything and have to go bankrupt.

 

[Zoom-boing]

No, it is not -- not for the people with pre-existing conditions. That, as I keep pointing out, is the problem ACA is designed to solve by requiring that everyone buys an insurance and shares the costs. Specifically those who can do w/o it -- the young, healthy and affluent.

Then they should have found a way to fix that problem without putting the cost on the rest of us

Would you care to suggest such a way?

Bullshit. The ACA is nothing more than a power grab and the foot in the door for more gov't intrusion. And some of you are just find with that.

"We" are fine with that because "we" believe in democracy and in our ability to hold the government accountable.

Above my pay grade; that's why we vote for congress critters. It's their job. "Oh but the Rs blew it from 94-'06, so stfu and enjoy the shit sandwich!" Please.

Gov't taking over 1/6 of the economy isn't democracy.

The bolded? Oh wait, you're serious.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I know a bear who needs a hug....

You mean Russia and communism right? That bear? Because you are pretty much strangling that bear with love right now.

 

[Zoom-boing]

That is why ACA subsidies the insurance to those who cannot afford it. And I don't think it requires people to buy excessive packages. Again the goal is to share the costs, with wealthy people paying more and the poor being subsidized. And yes, it is very similar to Medicare. In fact, the best approach would be extending Medicare to everyone -- but Obama wanted to please conservatives and they are paying him back.

Sure, but we can subsidize higher risk people in other ways. I just don't see any enthusiasm with younger folks for mandates.

Of course people usually are not enthusiastic about paying more taxes. And for all intents and purposes Obamacare is a new tax to provide health care for the poor and sick. Younger people benefit less, so they may feel that way. But it is really no different form the same younger people paying for social security and Medicare.

All social programs are like that -- those relatively well off are made to pay for a decent living of those less fortunate, or disabled, or old. And that is how it should be in any civilized society.

That box was raided, buncha IOUs hanging in there now. Yeah, great program ... give the gov't money and they'll give it back later. Can't wait till they're fully in charge of medical!

 

[francoHFW]

No takeover, just regulation and the end of the greedy, cruel, idiotic, ridiculously expensive Pub "system", Pub dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

Nothing more single payer or regulatory could have been passed. ACA is truly an American plan, as well as the GOP plan they always bring up- though it seems obvious they'd never actually vote for it, the pander to the rich scumbags...lol

 

[francoHFW]

Sure, but we can subsidize higher risk people in other ways. I just don't see any enthusiasm with younger folks for mandates.

Of course people usually are not enthusiastic about paying more taxes. And for all intents and purposes Obamacare is a new tax to provide health care for the poor and sick. Younger people benefit less, so they may feel that way. But it is really no different form the same younger people paying for social security and Medicare.

All social programs are like that -- those relatively well off are made to pay for a decent living of those less fortunate, or disabled, or old. And that is how it should be in any civilized society.

That box was raided, buncha IOUs hanging in there now. Yeah, great program ... give the gov't money and they'll give it back later. Can't wait till they're fully in charge of medical!

SS works great, and AARP says it going broke is the USA's #1 myth. But carry on with the Pubcrappe, dupe.

 

[Stephanie]

It's your right to make a bad mistake, Bear513, but when you get ill or injured, severely, we are going to have pay for you. OK.

Nope you do know I live in South Carolina right? they garnish wages on hospital bills and it should of been like that in all 50 states.

Without O-Care, if you had a serious illness or a bad accident, you would lose everything and have to go bankrupt.

that just total fearmongering...you can work out a payment plan with the hospital...I know that is a foreign concept for some of you....so with O-care other people will pick up your tab...how generous of you people and Obama..You don't give a shit if the IRS the overseers of ObamaTax takes everything a person owns or forces them into bankruptcy when they can't to afford the FINES for ObamaTaxNoCare because they don't want to FORCED into it...

 

[JakeStarkey]

81% of bankruptices are because of medical catastrophic expenses.

Stephanie, stop the reactionary lying, please.

 

[ilia25]

Then they should have found a way to fix that problem without putting the cost on the rest of us

Would you care to suggest such a way?

Bullshit. The ACA is nothing more than a power grab and the foot in the door for more gov't intrusion. And some of you are just find with that.

"We" are fine with that because "we" believe in democracy and in our ability to hold the government accountable.

Above my pay grade; that's why we vote for congress critters. It's their job. "Oh but the Rs blew it from 94-'06, so stfu and enjoy the shit sandwich!" Please.

Gov't taking over 1/6 of the economy isn't democracy.

The bolded? Oh wait, you're serious.

Oh, just listen to yourself! "Taking over 1/6 of the economy", social security "raided".. When you start talking bumper stickers -- that's when you know you have lost the argument.

 

[dblack]

Nope you do know I live in South Carolina right? they garnish wages on hospital bills and it should of been like that in all 50 states.

Without O-Care, if you had a serious illness or a bad accident, you would lose everything and have to go bankrupt.

that just total fearmongering...

Mostly, yeah. The story goes that without government running things, we'd all just die from neglect. We're damned lucky to have the state (and their corporate sponsors) looking out for us.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are darn lucky that enough of us come out to vote keep the reactionary desire to destroy the American working man and woman from succeeding.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Would you care to suggest such a way?



"We" are fine with that because "we" believe in democracy and in our ability to hold the government accountable.

Above my pay grade; that's why we vote for congress critters. It's their job. "Oh but the Rs blew it from 94-'06, so stfu and enjoy the shit sandwich!" Please.

Gov't taking over 1/6 of the economy isn't democracy.

The bolded? Oh wait, you're serious.

Oh, just listen to yourself! "Taking over 1/6 of the economy", social security "raided".. When you start talking bumper stickers -- that's when you know you have lost the argument.

So when Obama said ""I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue, because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it." he was just fear mongering and flat out lying. Thanks for the clarification.

ACA is the foot in the door to nationalized health care; but the gov't isn't taking over a portion of the economy. Riiiiighhht.

 

[JakeStarkey]

BHO was responding appropriately to TPM fear mongering and flat out lying.

If the reactionary right keeps fighting ACA, it will only be a matter of time before a single payer system goes into effect.