GOP and trump considering Medicare cuts in his second term

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

That would teach the old toothless farts that believed every word the Liar says. Maybe instead of a nursing home...they can live under a bridge....

He is right. Actually no matter who wins, that person has to address entitlements in order to cure our deficit and begin paying down our debt.

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
**** that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

 

[Oldstyle]

So you're admitting that in order to pay for your progressive agenda...the Middle Class would be paying a massive tax increase? Funny...I've NEVER heard anyone on the left actually come out and say that's so and yet that's always what happens! Good luck running on that in the coming election!

You can address what I say or spin it to fit your argument. What I say doesn't change though.

I don't want what you say to change! You just admitted that in order to have free college, Medicare for all and the Green New Deal that the Middle Class would have to absorb a massive tax increase! As I said earlier...have fun running on that!

I never argued for free anything.

It's the Democratic Party's ONLY argument right now, Pknopp!

I nor Sanders argued for free anything. I do not care what you think of the Democratic party.

Do you even know what platform Sanders is running on? He's not only called for free college but he's saying we should cancel existing student debt as well. Cancelling student debt by itself would cost 1.6 trillion dollars.

As for what I think of the Democratic Party? I think they're lost in the wilderness and right now they're being led by the far left. I think you're screwed to be quite honest with you. The only moderate candidate you have running is Joe Biden and he's not very bright to start with and now he's getting more senile by the day!

 

[Lewdog]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

 

[Markle]

You either know how it works or you don't. I imagine you do.

documented below with highly credible, primary sources, Krugman uses a half-truth to weave a narrative that is diametrically opposed to reality. Furthermore, when pressing his case, Krugman critically fails to mention that since QE began in 2009, the wealth of the economic elite has soared, while that of the middle class has fallen.

Quantitative Easing: Who Wins and Who Loses? - Just Facts

Shock! Dodged the question.

Paul Krugman, the idol of the Socialist and oh, so accurate!

The New York Times
Paul Krugman: The Economic Fallout
By Paul Krugman
12:42 AM ET Wednesday, November 9, 2016

It really does now look like President Donald J. Trump, and markets are plunging. When might we expect them to recover?

Frankly, I find it hard to care much, even though this is my specialty. The disaster for America and the world has so many aspects that the economic ramifications are way down on my list of things to fear.

Still, I guess people want an answer: If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never.
[…]
Paul Krugman: The Economic Fallout

Krugman is a partisan hack but the article wasn't posted to discuss Krugman.

Was it NOT you who first posted the name Paul Krugman? Was the article not the opinion of Paul Krugman?

You have though, proving that you have not a clue how quantitative easing works and therefore your claim that it helps only billionaires is bogus as well. Typical Progressive. As Shakespeare wrote, Progressives are "full of sound and fury signifying nothing".

since QE began in 2009, the wealth of the economic elite has soared, while that of the middle class has fallen.

Still NOTHING! I am shocked... SHOCKED I SAY!

Be gone! Come back when you've educated yourself. You're boring.

 

[Agit8r]

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

That would teach the old toothless farts that believed every word the Liar says. Maybe instead of a nursing home...they can live under a bridge....

He is right. Actually no matter who wins, that person has to address entitlements in order to cure our deficit and begin paying down our debt.

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
**** that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

 

[Markle]

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

That's nasty, vile, and desperate. a

All typical of the far left Progressive mind set.

One of the first requirements of any Republican health insurance plan is to cover pre-existing conditions. One good solution for that problem would be a high risk pool insured by many companies and subsidized by tax-payers.

Something similar could provide long term basic care for the permanently disabled, much as we do today.

As you know, there are many realistic, affordable solutions.

 

[Markle]

He is right. Actually no matter who wins, that person has to address entitlements in order to cure our deficit and begin paying down our debt.

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
**** that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

You gullibility is most amusing.

Are you talking about what Socialist Bernie Sanders has promised you? How cute!

 

[Lewdog]

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

That's nasty, vile, and desperate. a

All typical of the far left Progressive mind set.

One of the first requirements of any Republican health insurance plan is to cover pre-existing conditions. One good solution for that problem would be a high risk pool insured by many companies and subsidized by tax-payers.

Something similar could provide long term basic care for the permanently disabled, much as we do today.

As you know, there are many realistic, affordable solutions.

Trump said his new healthcare plan would include preexisting conditions... all for them NOT to be a part of the last attempt the GOP made to put one together. If you haven't noticed by now, you should expect exactly the opposite of what Trump tells you.

You obviously paid zero attention to the plan they were trying to get put together, because they contained all the tings I mentioned.

And I'm far from progressive. It's pretty clear you have never been around a real progressive, or you just think everything is binary and if all people that don't agree with you on every single issue are evil, progressive, socialist boogie men. Out of every single person in the Master's program at my university, I'm about the third most CONSERVATIVE out of them.

 

[Agit8r]

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
**** that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

You gullibility is most amusing.

Are you talking about what Socialist Bernie Sanders has promised you? How cute!

We're talking about a winning issue.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump Has Told Friends That Gutting Medicare Could Be a Fun “Second-Term Project”

That would teach the old toothless farts that believed every word the Liar says. Maybe instead of a nursing home...they can live under a bridge....

When obama cut 750 million from medicare how did you handle that?

 

[pknopp]

You can address what I say or spin it to fit your argument. What I say doesn't change though.

I don't want what you say to change! You just admitted that in order to have free college, Medicare for all and the Green New Deal that the Middle Class would have to absorb a massive tax increase! As I said earlier...have fun running on that!

I never argued for free anything.

It's the Democratic Party's ONLY argument right now, Pknopp!

I nor Sanders argued for free anything. I do not care what you think of the Democratic party.

Do you even know what platform Sanders is running on? He's not only called for free college .........

I posted his program where his college program is paid for. I really get tired of the ignorance of those like yourself.

 

[pknopp]

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

That's nasty, vile, and desperate. a

All typical of the far left Progressive mind set.

One of the first requirements of any Republican health insurance plan is to cover pre-existing conditions.

There is no such thing.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

#2) People know how to eat and most companies provide free gym memberships or reimburse their employees. There is zero excuse for being out of shape sans laziness.

#3) I am saying people retire later so they collect SSI later and get on medicate later. Stay on their private insurance longer.

#4) If you're fat and cannot work anymore but you're too young to retire that is a you problem. Take better care of yourself.

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Wrong. At work I pay the same as someone who may have a history of bad health. Companies lump all that crap together and all employees pay the same regardless of health history, which is utter BS but that’s how it works. No one ever asked my health history when getting Corp insurance or that of my family.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You assume old people need meds. My parents are old (71 and 78) and don't take meds.

Wow isn't that nice. I don't believe it but even if your aren't lying as usual they are the extreme outliers

Herr Lesh, do you take meds? I do not. Maybe an Advil here or there.

DO you know anyone over 55? I do and most are taking at least SOME kind of drugs...whether it be to control diabetes,hypertension,collesteral...heart issues...cancer...bursitis...

What planet do you live on? Jesus...are you 12?

You mean cholesterol. Of course I do. These people don't have private insurance? Nothing would change for them. I am stating to make a change for those under 55 and under 30. What the hell are you complaining about. Diabetes may be controlled by diet. Cholesterol as well. Heart issues as well. Cancer can impact anyone regardless of age, take some Aleve for bursitis.

That's about the fourth dumbass statement you have made. Diabetes cannot be controlled by diet! It is genetic in many cases. My grandmother was diabetic, my mother was diabetic and so am I! I was diagnosed as a Type 2 diabetic when I was a few months out of the military and probably in the best physical shape in my entire life.

Some may and some may not. Those that may not need meds and they would be covered by insurance or Medicare once the person retires. Nothing changes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1. Using just your parents as an example against the majority of the country is insanely idiotic and illogical.

#2. You need to back up this outrageous statement with FACTS because it is patently false.

#3. People don't just magically retire at an older age because you want them to. It takes sweeping change which I already mentioned.

#4. If you think all obesity and inability to work is the individuals fault, you are either beyond ignorant, lived in a bubble all your life, or are just a troll. You can answer that one to yourself as it is rhetorical... you are obviously all 3.

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

Pre existing conditions are tough. Imagine me asking an insurance company to pay for the fire in my house after the fire happened. Insurance is a business and hence healthcare is broken in this country. But there is a dark side. Why should a healthy person A pay for an unhealthy person B? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He is right. Actually no matter who wins, that person has to address entitlements in order to cure our deficit and begin paying down our debt.

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
**** that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

But that is not true and if it is the service will be worse overall. Why would doctors want to make less when they paid so much for Med School?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

That's nasty, vile, and desperate. a

All typical of the far left Progressive mind set.

One of the first requirements of any Republican health insurance plan is to cover pre-existing conditions. One good solution for that problem would be a high risk pool insured by many companies and subsidized by tax-payers.

Something similar could provide long term basic care for the permanently disabled, much as we do today.

As you know, there are many realistic, affordable solutions.

Trump said his new healthcare plan would include preexisting conditions... all for them NOT to be a part of the last attempt the GOP made to put one together. If you haven't noticed by now, you should expect exactly the opposite of what Trump tells you.

You obviously paid zero attention to the plan they were trying to get put together, because they contained all the tings I mentioned.

And I'm far from progressive. It's pretty clear you have never been around a real progressive, or you just think everything is binary and if all people that don't agree with you on every single issue are evil, progressive, socialist boogie men. Out of every single person in the Master's program at my university, I'm about the third most CONSERVATIVE out of them.

Why should I pay for your pre existing condition? That’s what Medicaid is for.

 

[Redfish]

I wish I had a nickel every time someone turns to insults as opposed to arguments as to why they were wrong.

Want to give it a shot?

The constitution limited the federal govt to basically making sure the individual states didn't **** over the citizenry.
Now, American totalitarians want them to control 20 percent of our economy, if not more(healthcare) take our weapons, basically destroy the concept of private property etc. Those people would be rolling in their graves.

What people might want today has nothing to do with what the founders thought about government.

Mostly I've agreed with you, but I disagree with this post. I think you are right that the founders - like Jefferson Adams and Madison - distrusted govt. And those are three different, and esp with Jefferson and Adams, very conflicting views of what our govt should do. I assume, all three were wise enough to even distrust their own views of what govt should do, because the common thread was issues and solutions should be clearly set out and debated, because when a consensus by a sizeable majority was reached, that was the best chance of doing something that posed the best likely outcome.

But they didn't "hate" govt. They realized it was a necessity and pure libertarianism was a sham in terms of being a way to govern, and governing was necessary.

The thread, or at least my link, showed the piss poor place the gop is right now. They avoid any bipartisan approach. THAT is contrary to the founders. Obama actually did try for some bipartisan approach on healthcare, but there was no way for any goper to buy into universal coverage without being primaried, because the gop voters decided mandatory insurance was bad, even though the idea originated with conservatives. So Obama had to choose between covering everyone or accepteing a lesser law. And in the end, Roberts rewrote it to avoid universal coverage. LOL Imo Obama should have accepted a smaller law, but only because bipartisan buy in generally results in more popular support for a law.

its the dems who are refusing to compromise, or even to meet to discuss finding common ground. Have Pelosi and Schumer offered to meet with the republicans to seek compromise solutions? Duh, no

That's true but that is exactly the way the GOP treated Obama. In a way both Obama and Trump has deserved it.

nope, check history on the ACA. Passed by dems only in the dark of night on Christmas eve, no floor debate allowed in the house or senate, no amendments allowed in either house, no time to read the bill allowed before the vote. They rammed it up our collective asses and it was the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation and it was passed in the most corrupt underhanded way.

 

[Lesh]

nope, check history on the ACA. Passed by dems only in the dark of night on Christmas eve, no floor debate allowed in the house or senate, no amendments allowed in either house, no time to read the bill allowed before the vote

Bullshit.

The ACA spent a full YEAR in negotiation...very PUBLIC negotiation

 

[Lesh]

#1) Why? If they can do it anyone can. They came here with nothing as immigrants and didn't speak the language.

#2) Everyone has a smart phone and most chain restaurants list calories. If people are stupid and don't know that fatty foods are bad for them then its on them. Its like saying people don't know its dangerous to smoke or drink.

#3) Yeah so anyone under 55 has to wait 2.5 more years. And anyone under 30...has to be 72. I just gave them 42 years+ of notice.

#4) F U. People need to take personal responsibility. You're such a coward and a wimp. Not my fault you're fat. Join a gym. Did I hit a nerve?

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

Pre existing conditions are tough. Imagine me asking an insurance company to pay for the fire in my house after the fire happened. Insurance is a business and hence healthcare is broken in this country. But there is a dark side. Why should a healthy person A pay for an unhealthy person B? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

For someone who pretends intelligence...you don't understand the concept of insurance?

Oh...