Goodbye Proud Boys

[Marener]

If you were referring to filing an initial case, it would depend on the SOL.

Okay dude. We get it. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[Delldude]

Okay dude. We get it. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

That was what I was thinking about you when I replied. So the SOL was 30 days.......I was right.

 

[Foxfyre]

Maybe these weirdos will get proper jobs now and stop pretending they're Nazi stormtroopers.

Good to see some good old fashioned law and order:

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Far-right group Proud Boys loses legal naming rights to Black church it vandalized

Church said extremist group never paid $2.8m court judgment over 2020 attack during Trump rally

www.theguardian.com

The only thing I can find that the Proud Boys vandalized was a BLM flag that they burned. That deserved a $2+ million judgment? If they did other vandalism I haven't been able to find it but if it is out there okay.

This is Enrique Tarrio, chairman of the Proud Boys? White supremacist? Sure doesn't look like one to me.

 

[theHawk]

We'll never reach any agreement here, your disdain for international law makes that clear, you're attitude is simplistic, naive and based on nothing more that the "might is right" attitude which ushered in WW1 and WW2, so enjoy your day, I'm done with this fake debate.

Oh yes, pardon me for my distain for “international law”, that would put nations like Iran, Russia, China, and Venezuela in a position to have authority over me and my nation.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Oh yes, pardon me for my distain for “international law”, that would put nations like Iran, Russia, China, and Venezuela in a position to have authority over me and my nation.

Hawk,

We can disagree about Israel and agree about international law or we can disagree about international law.

There's no way we will ever reach agreement on Israel if you reject international law and I embrace it.

You want to discuss international law I will, but there's no point in discussing Israel when there is such a huge gulf in our views.

I believe in right and wrong and I'm sure you do too, well on the international scene I believe that right and wrong is defined by a collaborative effort between nations to define and ratify laws, but I have no idea how you define right and wrong at an international level.

Perhaps you can explain that to me, is it a doctrine like "my country is always right" or something like that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The only thing I can find that the Proud Boys vandalized was a BLM flag that they burned. That deserved a $2+ million judgment? If they did other vandalism I haven't been able to find it but if it is out there okay.

This is Enrique Tarrio, chairman of the Proud Boys? White supremacist? Sure doesn't look like one to me.

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This is how that judgement was reached:

You can see several important laws mentioned, some of those reflect our country's racist past like the K Klux Klan Act and Bias Related Crimes Act, as the piece above says these carry "uncapped punitive damages" and these are laws, enacted by congress and that's what the Proud Boys failed to grasp before embarking on their terrorizing rampages against black people.

If you have sympathy for scum like Tarrio then go right ahead, but I do not and such behavior is unacceptable.

You say "Sure doesn't look like one to me" to which I have to respond, are you black? were you there that night?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

22,000 members, wow..............0.00006666666% of the US population. 7.6% of the population identify as LBGTQ..............

Yes they had at that time about 22,000 members. Are you suggesting that such crimes should go unpunished unless an organization's membership is say 100,000 or 1,000,000 ? Why not reach to Trash Patel, maybe he can get such a law through...

 

[Foxfyre]

This is how that judgement was reached:

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You can see several important laws mentioned, some of those reflect our country's racist past like the K Klux Klan Act and Bias Related Crimes Act, as the piece above says these carry "uncapped punitive damages" and these are laws, enacted by congress and that's what the Proud Boys failed to grasp before embarking on their terrorizing rampages against black people.

If you have sympathy for scum like Tarrio then go right ahead, but I do not and such behavior is unacceptable.

You say "Sure doesn't look like one to me" to which I have to respond, are you black? were you there that night?

I was not there that night. Nor were you.

Nor do I believe the Proud Boys represent the KKK in any way, shape or form. Exactly what has Tarrio done that makes him scum? Why did the judgment not specifically describe the damage which they designate as 'low'. (For sure burning a BLM flag is pretty minor vandalism.)

This whole thing, from all appearances, smacks of the the lawfare the Democrats have used to attack anybody pro Trump, right wing, not them and/or opposed to their pet goals.

 

[Delldude]

Are you suggesting that such crimes should go unpunished unless an organization's membership is say 100,000 or 1,000,000 ?

Yes, we need a law.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I was not there that night. Nor were you.

Nor do I believe the Proud Boys represent the KKK in any way, shape or form.

Well they were not accused of that, they were accused of violating the Ku Klux Klan Act.

Exactly what has Tarrio done that makes him scum?

That's a term I use for racists who head racist organizations.

Why did the judgment not specifically describe the damage which they designate as 'low'. (For sure burning a BLM flag is pretty minor vandalism.)

The laws that were violated carry unlimited punitive damages, worth remembering if you ever want to join the Proud Boys and attack black churches, would you like to do something like that yourself?

This whole thing, from all appearances, smacks of the the lawfare the Democrats have used to attack anybody pro Trump, right wing, not them and/or opposed to their pet goals.

Are you saying they should be free to act this way given the US history of black people being lynched, attacked, beaten? You do realize that this possibly qualifies as domestic terrorism?

If hundreds of black thugs descended on your street and invaded your local church, intimidated people, burnt signs and so on, would you approve of that?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A Zionist student asked this Scotsman if he was a racist due to his opposition to Israeli apartheid, big mistake:

 

[theHawk]

Perhaps you can explain that to me, is it a doctrine like "my country is always right" or something like that

It’s called the doctrine of reality. Nations use their influence to get what they want. There is no “international law” to stop them.

“International law” is a pie in the sky dream that only Marxists who want a one world government believe in. There is no international police force to enforce any such “laws”.

Tell me, was it “legal” for the US to fund “democracy protests” in Ukraine that turned into a coup and overthrew the democratically elected government?

Was it “legal” for the US to pay for bio weapons labs in China and Ukraine? Which is a clear violation of Geneva Conventions and “international law”.

If they weren’t legal where was the enforcement to stop it?

As for nations coming into existence? Who the hell has the authority to tell any people in a certain land that they have or don’t have the right to form their own government?

You really think any nation claiming such land would freely give it up to another people to become a sovereign nation? That never happens. People must fight for their right to exist as a nation.

What, I am going to sit here and tell people in Eastern “Ukraine” that they aren’t allowed to choose which government they want? And if I don’t like the answer, I’m going to drop bombs on their heads?

Same for Israel. I’m going to sit here and tell the Jews they don’t have the right to have their own government, free of Muslims?

I could care less if Palestine becomes its own nation. They can live in the Gaza Strip for another thousand years for all I care. But they want all of Israel back. Fine then, take it back. Who am I to say they can’t? But do not expect my help, or well wishes, when their behavior is sub human and repulsive.

Aside from that, the Arabs in Gaza are just Egyptians. Just like how the people in the West Bank are just Jordanian. In the old days those lands belonged to Egypt and Jordan.

There is only one true solution to peace in Israel, but neither side is willing to accept it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It’s called the doctrine of reality. Nations use their influence to get what they want. There is no “international law” to stop them.

“International law” is a pie in the sky dream that only Marxists who want a one world government believe in. There is no international police force to enforce any such “laws”.

Tell me, was it “legal” for the US to fund “democracy protests” in Ukraine that turned into a coup and overthrew the democratically elected government?

Was it “legal” for the US to pay for bio weapons labs in China and Ukraine? Which is a clear violation of Geneva Conventions and “international law”.

If they weren’t legal where was the enforcement to stop it?

As for nations coming into existence? Who the hell has the authority to tell any people in a certain land that they have or don’t have the right to form their own government?

You really think any nation claiming such land would freely give it up to another people to become a sovereign nation? That never happens. People must fight for their right to exist as a nation.

What, I am going to sit here and tell people in Eastern “Ukraine” that they aren’t allowed to choose which government they want? And if I don’t like the answer, I’m going to drop bombs on their heads?

Same for Israel. I’m going to sit here and tell the Jews they don’t have the right to have their own government, free of Muslims?

I could care less if Palestine becomes its own nation. They can live in the Gaza Strip for another thousand years for all I care. But they want all of Israel back. Fine then, take it back. Who am I to say they can’t? But do not expect my help, or well wishes, when their behavior is sub human and repulsive.

Aside from that, the Arabs in Gaza are just Egyptians. Just like how the people in the West Bank are just Jordanian. In the old days those lands belonged to Egypt and Jordan.

There is only one true solution to peace in Israel, but neither side is willing to accept it.

Right so you don't desire international law and that right there is the difference between us and so we will never agree about Israel.

You say its a pie in the sky dream, but that's not the case, the victors of WW2 led by the United States setup international law. The UN was created by the victors of that terribly destructive conflict to prevent a future recurrence of such conflict. That's not pie in the sky it is real it exists.

But you consider it futile it seems, so be it.

There is - by your own definitions - no such thing as right and wrong at the international level, that means you must regard Oct 7th as not wrong and must regard the Holocaust as not wrong, so how do you form any opinions at all about these kinds of events? do you just shrug your shoulders at everything?

 

[Foxfyre]

Well they were not accused of that, they were accused of violating the Ku Klux Klan Act.

That's a term I use for racists who head racist organizations.

The laws that were violated carry unlimited punitive damages, worth remembering if you ever want to join the Proud Boys and attack black churches, would you like to do something like that yourself?

Are you saying they should be free to act this way given the US history of black people being lynched, attacked, beaten? You do realize that this possibly qualifies as domestic terrorism?

If hundreds of black thugs descended on your street and invaded your local church, intimidated people, burnt signs and so on, would you approve of that?

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I'm saying the whole thing looks very much like the malicious lawfare/weaponization of government employed by the Biden Administration aided and abetted by a dishonest MSM/legacy media/aka Democrat propaganda machine. And so far I have found no source that shakes my confidence in that opinion.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm saying the whole thing looks very much like the malicious lawfare/weaponization of government employed by the Biden Administration aided and abetted by a dishonest MSM/legacy media/aka Democrat propaganda machine. And so far I have found no source that shakes my confidence in that opinion.

So no laws were broken then in your view based on your perception of the incident?

 

[Foxfyre]

So no laws were broken then in your view based on your perception of the incident?

No laws warranting a $2+ million judgment.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

No laws warranting a $2+ million judgment.

So what laws did they break in your esteemed opinion?

 

[theHawk]

There is - by your own definitions - no such thing as right and wrong at the international level, that means you must regard Oct 7th as not wrong and must regard the Holocaust as not wrong, so how do you form any opinions at all about these kinds of events? do you just shrug your shoulders at everything?

How can there be “right and wrong” at an international level, if there are nations that will always fundamentally disagree on what is right and what is wrong?

We get our beliefs of right and wrong from our culture and God.

So why would you say I would regard October 7 as “not wrong”? My law, (God’s law) says that killing innocent women and children is wrong. Your god, says that it isn’t wrong. So how would any court be legitimate with multiple judges?

I can form my opinions on any event in the world, based on my beliefs. For example in the case of Israel and Palestine, I believe both peoples are anti-Christs and are only pulling each other down to the bottomless pit. Islamists are the most barbaric, violent people on earth. The Jews are mostly atheist, Marxist types that are pushing their agenda onto the world with their influence.

You on the other hand, appear to believe there should be some international body, comprised of judges from different nations, that would have the right to kill whoever they want. But who ultimately gets the authority? Will it be Iran? Israel? China? Do the small minority countries get a seat at this table?

It’s all such a nonsensical idea. It’s Tower of Babel absurdity. “We’re all one people!” “Aren’t we great?” “Who needs God?”

 

[Foxfyre]

So what laws did they break in your esteemed opinion?

They burned a BLM flag.

 

[whitehall]

I wonder what would happen if some Florida judge decided the Black Panthers was a black supremacy group and the word "panthers" belonged only to the Florida hockey team.