Good News, At Least 160 confederate Monuments Were Finally Removed In 2020

[Meathead]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

 

[Pogo]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

 

[Meathead]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

Only Nazis and commies would be happy about removing history. You libtards are so friggin stupid.

Once AGAIN for the stupids ---- monuments are NOT where we keep history. BOOKS are where we keep history. Nothing changed about that.

Monuments are where we REWRITE history, if so inclined, which is what these particular monuments tried to do, and succeeded for too long. Why don't you tell the class what sort of folks would be UNhappy that the REWRITE was undone.

Bull! Monuments record history same as books do and books can be written in an attempt to rewrite the history recorded by monuments just as easily as the other way around. Fact is both are made by people and sometimes people either lie or do not know the truth and record something else. You're all about agenda; not history and not truth. You desperately search for excuses.

Uhhhmmmm.... I ain't the asshat who just made up a fictitious "very important battle" that never happened, Gummo, so which one of us is "desperate"?

No, you're the asshat who thinks all of history in some way pertains to slavery even though it was abolished long ago.
And I "made up" nothing". I confused similar place names.

"All history" in no way pertains to slavery. You made that up just like you made up the "Battle of Stone Mountain". You know, the one that "deserves to be remembered".

If something "deserves to be remembered" how is it you can't remember it?

Did I not keep it simple enough for even you to understand? The battles of Stones River and Lookout Mountain were indeed important battles that happened near by. The carving on Stone Mountain to is commemorate the Confederacy and the the War in the West that took place along the logistically important railways and river systems running from Nashville Tn. through Atlanta Ga. I provided links knowing your aversion to looking at history that actually happened rather than making up your own as you go along. Neither the battles nor the carving had anything to do with slavery.

You sat on this board claiming a "very important battle" took place at Stone Mountain, where "many men died" and "deserve to be remembered". AGAIN if you claim to be all about history HOW did you pull that out of your ass? How can you "remember" battle deaths that never happened?

Again, neither of those sites is near Stone Mountain, I DON'T NEED your links to know your Battle of Stone Mountain never happened, and I didn't claim Stone Mountain OR those battles had anything to do with slavery, other than being associated with the Confederacy. What I DID say in bringing up Stone Mountain was that it was the site of the re-founding of the Ku Klux Klan in 1915, and that the UDC commemorated it with the relief sculpture, hiring a rabid Klanner to do it, just as they also commemorated the building at 205 West Madison Street in Pulaski Tennessee, the birthplace of the first Ku Klux Klan in 1865.

Those are facts. I was aware I knew more history than you do, I guess I didn't realize I know WAY more.

And the relevance of all that to this thread is that the UDC is the same group that ran around frantically erecting statues and monuments on public land, AND spent even more energy rewriting school history textbooks, ALL in the name of Propaganda. The propaganda of the Cult of the Lost Cause.

And the relevance of all that to this thread is that the UDC is the same group that ran around frantically erecting statues and monuments on public land, AND spent even more energy rewriting school history textbooks, ALL in the name of Propaganda. The propaganda of the Cult of the Lost Cause.

If the Daughters of the Confederacy did anything other than good works I am unaware of them

Of course you're unaware. That's because I keep pointing to post 108 and you keep going , scared shitless that you might actually learn something.

and you have certainly not presented any evidence of such.

Again, see post 108. This is exactly why I put it there. I can point you to the post number; I can't read it into your unwilling brain FOR you.

Statues and monuments may commemorate something you don't like or don't agree with but they are not propaganda.

That's *EXACTLY* what they are. You just said so yourself --- "commemorate". Propaganda is what commemoration is..

​

Commemorate​

com·mem·o·rate​

/kəˈmeməˌrāt/​

verb​

recall and show respect for (someone or something).​

"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"​

celebrate (an event, a person, or a situation) by doing or building something.​

If they were NOT propaganda, it would be impossible to "agree" or "disagree" with it. You can't "agree" or "disagree" with fact; you "agree" or "disagree" with OPINION. In this case the OPINION is the whole Lost Cause Cult song and dance. "It really wasn't about slavery" "Even if it was about slavery, slavery was a good thing" -- that whole load of crap.

Many of the monuments that were torn down had absolutely nothing to do with the Confederacy or slavery. Far more a matter of "political correctness" than history or propaganda.

So you're saying "Confederate monuments finally removed" (the topic here) had nothing to do with the Confederacy? Or slavery?

Again, let's go back to my previous analogy which IIRC you had no answer for --- imagine a group called the United Daughters of the Third Reich had run around all over Europe where Nazi Germany invaded, frantically throwing up statues and monuments and markers in homage to this place where Jews were herded into cattle cars or that place where the local socialists, intellectuals, infirm and other "undesirables" were corralled, worked and/or shot to death and buried in mass graves. Now imagine there's a contemporary movement to remove those stone tributes. We could imagine it would look something like this:

--- Based on what you're posting here you'd be opposed to that action, right? Not to mention this imaginary UDTR would have spent even more time rewriting German history books to whitewash what the Nazi regime did.

Now imagine some Swastika like that has been perched across the street from a synagogue for decades, but now it's about to be blown up. And you're the one protesting "NO DON'T DO IT" Because "HISTORY"!

Of course you're unaware. That's because I keep pointing to post 108 and you keep going , scared shitless that you might actually learn something.

Okay, so I wasted my time by going back and watching the highly biased piece of Northern propaganda and "learned" nothing new. Nothing in that presentation provides any evidence that the Northern view of "Civil War" history is in any way more correct than the Southern view of the Civil War. The history books were written in the North and I appreciate the efforts of the Daughters of the Confederacy to see that children were presented an unbiased version of history. I submit that Northern insistence that the title "Civil" be used for a war in which civilian men women and children were slaughtered and abused is itself a fine and obvious piece of propaganda.

Commemorate
com·mem·o·rate
/kəˈmeməˌrāt/
verb
recall and show respect for (someone or something).
"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"
celebrate (an event, a person, or a situation) by doing or building something.

If they were NOT propaganda, it would be impossible to "agree" or "disagree" with it. You can't "agree" or "disagree" with fact; you "agree" or "disagree" with OPINION.

Untrue. People disagree with fact all the time. You especially. Monuments show the remembrance and respect of the people who erected them and require nothing from any one else. Your opinion is neither requested or called for.

So you're saying "Confederate monuments finally removed" (the topic here) had nothing to do with the Confederacy? Or slavery?

No, I'm saying that it is perfectly reasonable to honor and respect the Confederacy. A very substantial number of people obviously did and do or it wouldn't have existed as well as kicked Northern ass time after time. Not everyone shares your fetish over slavery nor do they use that yardstick to judge our ancestors by. To honor a person, to memorialize a battle and honor the fallen of both sides, these things have nothing to do with slavery anywhere except in your own beady little brain. And a fact you continue to ignore is that many of, perhaps the majority, of the monuments commemorated nothing that had anything to do with that war or even that time period.

If the Daughters of the Confederacy ever had or began putting up Nazi symbols I would not approve. Happy? Why do you think my or your approval matters? It doesn't you know.

 

[Pogo]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

 

[Meathead]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

 

[Pogo]

Okay, so I wasted my time by going back and watching the highly biased piece of Northern propaganda and "learned" nothing new. Nothing in that presentation provides any evidence that the Northern view of "Civil War" history is in any way more correct than the Southern view of the Civil War. The history books were written in the North and I appreciate the efforts of the Daughters of the Confederacy to see that children were presented an unbiased version of history. I submit that Northern insistence that the title "Civil" be used for a war in which civilian men women and children were slaughtered and abused is itself a fine and obvious piece of propaganda.

It's documented. Not sure where you get "Northern" out of Vox or Dr. Cox, a history professor here in North Carolina who has a considerable output of Southern history. So you mean 'Northern" as in "NORTH Carolina"?

What the fuck dood, I gave you the Wiki link as well. The Cult of the Lost Cause is not one of Fingerboy's "newly discovered photos". It got started right after the Civil War itself in the first edition of that revisionist history, the book by Pollard, which is referenced both in the video and the Wiki page.

As for "civil war" it's a commonly used term for any INTERNAL war within a single country. The English Civil War. The Russian Civil War. Etc. What you're doing is taking a George Carlin joke and polluting it, and you don't get away with that either.

Commemorate
com·mem·o·rate
/kəˈmeməˌrāt/
verb
recall and show respect for (someone or something).
"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"
celebrate (an event, a person, or a situation) by doing or building something.

Apparently there's no dispute here. Point stands.

If they were NOT propaganda, it would be impossible to "agree" or "disagree" with it. You can't "agree" or "disagree" with fact; you "agree" or "disagree" with OPINION.

Untrue. People disagree with fact all the time. You especially. Monuments show the remembrance and respect of the people who erected them and require nothing from any one else. Your opinion is neither requested or called for.

WRONG. As I just said, you CANNOT "agree or disagree" with FACTS. That's NOT AN OPTION.

As you CONCEDE here, what monuments display is OPINION. A value judgment. You don't put up a monument to a Charles Manson and you don't put up a monument to some anonymous nobody. You put them up to HONOR a person or an event. NOTHING in that is made of "fact". That is OPINION. To honor something or someone is to render a value judgment thereof.

And you've still not proffered any explanation for why said monuments would be relentlessly put up in high traffic public spaces having nothing to do with any person or battle, even as far from the Civil War as freaking Montana --- which is even farther away than North Dakota. WHY did they do that, if these are not propaganda transmitters?

Why indeed.

So you're saying "Confederate monuments finally removed" (the topic here) had nothing to do with the Confederacy? Or slavery?

No, I'm saying that it is perfectly reasonable to honor and respect the Confederacy.

That's nice dear, but it's got nothing to do with unhooking propaganda transmitters that were set up specifically to revise the public perception of history.

Again, why don't you show the class some other example of the LOSERS of a war running around setting up propaganda transmitters to whitewash their legacy. Wide open --- anywhere and any time you want.

Not everyone shares your fetish over slavery nor do they use that yardstick to judge our ancestors by.

I'm not the one whining about fetishes here, Hunior. I'm the one pointing out what those fetishes WERE PUT THERE FOR.

To honor a person, to memorialize a battle and honor the fallen of both sides, these things have nothing to do with slavery anywhere except in your own beady little brain.

And in the articles of secession of literally every state that seceded to form the Confederacy. Are you now saying they were lying about their own motivations, in their own time??

Why does this sound so much like "Don't you tell me what you think --- *I* will tell you what you think"?

And why does it remind us that Robert E. Lee, whose image was taken down in New Orleans, whose yet-another image was the spark of the Tiki Torcher riot in Charlottesville --- specifically asked that those images SHOULD NOT EXIST? "Fuck Robert E. Lee, we know better". Is that it?

And a fact you continue to ignore is that many of, perhaps the majority, of the monuments commemorated nothing that had anything to do with that war or even that time period.

Oh really.
WHERE is this alleged "fact" then? Linkie?

 

[Pogo]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

I have in fact been to North Dakota.

A fact which has exactly as much to do with anything in this thread as a strange incoherent sentence about where your father is buried.

 

[Meathead]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

I have in fact been to North Dakota.

A fact which has exactly as much to do with anything in this thread as a strange incoherent sentence about where your father is buried.

You really have no idea where my father's buried, do you?

As I said, you're not very bright.

 

[Pogo]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

I have in fact been to North Dakota.

A fact which has exactly as much to do with anything in this thread as a strange incoherent sentence about where your father is buried.

You really have no idea where my father's buried, do you?

As I said, you're not very bright.

Correct. No idea. Why would I?

Did the UDC bury him? At this mythical "Estate of the foremost"?

You have no idea what the AMTRAK station in North Dakota looks like, do you.

 

[Utilitarian]

By the same logic then, we could say the same for many monuments of Founders. The American Revolution was really only fought for the freedom of white landowning males. They were the only ones who could vote initially, and slavery obviously stayed intact for almost a century after the revolution.

Far as I know there has been no cult propaganda machine running around editing textbooks and pushing a narrative in defiance of the historical record. We're all aware of (for example) Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. Certainly the tension between consolidating a country based on "all men are created equal" while simultaneously bribing the slave states with the ability to count 3/5 of their slaves for political power while granting those same slaves 0/5 of a vote, was always a paradox and led directly to the inevitable conflict we now call the Civil War. To the extent whatever monument to the Founders (or more pertinently, whatever schoolbook) omits that tension, that's a dishonest or at the least, slanted, portrait that needs to be exposed, and already has been. And as far as I can see, it's been exposed, discussed and analyzed without any of the butthurt of "waaah muh statues" that we get here. Just as that Klan plaque was turned backward without objection.

Well, there is definitely a narrative being pushed in the opposite extreme by the 1619 Project, but that only seems to be rising rather than being taken down.

If the Founders don't apply, however, then the actual issue for removing Confederate statues would seem to be more related to keeping around monuments of those on a losing side of a war, not specifically supporters of slavery, since that was not unique to the Confederacy.

Actually it was unique to the Confederacy by then. They all wrote it into their articles of secession, while the rest of the states had abolished it and had no plans to reinstate Slavery. But the issue for removing propaganda transmitters is ---------- the propaganda that they transmit. Not that complex. In a nutshell, when you've got propaganda transmitters sanctioned by your city, you're thus propagating propaganda, until you put a stop to it.

If the mission is to remove "propaganda transmitters", then we've got a lot of work to do with the corporatist mainstream media.

 

[Meathead]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

I have in fact been to North Dakota.

A fact which has exactly as much to do with anything in this thread as a strange incoherent sentence about where your father is buried.

You really have no idea where my father's buried, do you?

As I said, you're not very bright.

Correct. No idea. Why would I?

Did the UDC bury him? At this mythical "Estate of the foremost"?

You have no idea what the AMTRAK station in North Dakota looks like, do you.

You would need a grasp of American history to figure that out, especially the Civil War.

 

[Utilitarian]

They’re already coming after the founders. In reality, it is not so much slavery itself as that is just one excuse. The goal is to usurp the entire culture in order to more successfully implement Marxism. That is the main goal.

If that were true, then those removed Confederate monuments would have been replaced with "Marxist" ones, whatever the fuck that means, as some wag posted a while back as a joke. Perhaps it was you. Perhaps it was not a joke. Perhaps it was your own joke that you didn't even get.

More to the point, insofar as such a silly idea can coexist in the same breath with the word "point", if installing Marxism were some entity's goal, it would be entirely irrelevant to expend energy into Confederate monuments. They're no more related than fish and bicycles.

He's referring to the similarities between the presentist leanings of much of the left on history and how the proposed purge of statues beyond the Confederacy would be a similar tactic used by the Red Guard to eliminate the "Four Olds." If you erase a country's history, you can replace it with ideological propaganda. I'm not necessarily saying this is true of removing Confederate statues, but it would apply to removing statues of the Founders.

So, what he's referring to is a tactic that has been used by Marxists.

 

[Pogo]

I'm very happy to read about this. I hope it continues.

All of those monuments and statues should be in a museum where they belong.

People who attacked our nation causing the bloodiest war in our history, which put brother against brother, which killed over 600 thousand Americans, should never been revered or celebrated.

They should only be held in contempt. They aren't patriots. Patriots don't go to war to leave the union.

They are traitors to our nation and the last thing they deserve is our respect or any sort of monument or statue.

At least 160 Confederate monuments were finally removed in 2020

‘Exposing children to anything that falsely promotes the idea of white superiority and Black inferiority is dehumanizing,’ said a spokesperson from the SPLC.

americanindependent.com

America was founded on being a traitor to the British Rule.

Give me the name of a British soldier or general who fought in the Revolutionary War that we in America have built shrines and statues to.

Who walks around in America with a British flag and respects the British for what they did in the Revolutionary War?

There is no comparison here.

We were the traitors back then. Are you denying we turned against our British government?

So you can't give me even one name of a British soldier or general we fought against in the revolutionary war that a shrine or memorial or statue has been built.

That is the point.

Sure to the British we were traitors to the crown. No doubt about it.

The colonists weren't traitors to the 13 colonies. In fact, they were fighting for the 13 colonies and freedom.

The colonists and those after them came here to get away from England and their king.

We have not erected any sort of memorial or shrine or statue to the losers of the revolutionary war.

We don't see anyone walking around proudly displaying the British flag.

I'm sure that the British don't have any statues or memorials or shrines to George Washington or any of the people who fought for our freedom during the revolutionary war erected in England.

Those of us who love the United States of America and proudly support the union, what the revolutionists fought for, died for and worked so hard to create, don't go to war against our nation.

Those of us who want those insults to the United States and everything we stand for removed aren't fighting for another nation nor are we fighting against our own nation.

That can't be said about the confederacy and those who still hang onto a failed war against our nation.

What it comes down to, there is no comparison between the revolutionary war and the civil war. To even ty is to spit on the graves of those who fought, died or gave a limb so that we can be free.

The monuments were for Americans who were fighting for their own freedom. My father is buried on the estate of the foremost of those you want to cancel.

How uh interesting. Did you know I once got off a train and stood on the platform, then got back on the train --- just so I could say I had been to North Dakota.

Riding the blinds? Still, I don't get the relevancy.

It has no relevancy to anything whatsoever. Just as in the post I quoted.

You're not very bright, are you?

I have in fact been to North Dakota.

A fact which has exactly as much to do with anything in this thread as a strange incoherent sentence about where your father is buried.

You really have no idea where my father's buried, do you?

As I said, you're not very bright.

Correct. No idea. Why would I?

Did the UDC bury him? At this mythical "Estate of the foremost"?

You have no idea what the AMTRAK station in North Dakota looks like, do you.

You would need a grasp of American history to figure that out, especially the Civil War.

I'd need a lot more than that to figure out what the fuck "where your father's buried" has to do with the Cult of the Lost Cause and its UDC propaganda transmitters.

 

[Pogo]

They’re already coming after the founders. In reality, it is not so much slavery itself as that is just one excuse. The goal is to usurp the entire culture in order to more successfully implement Marxism. That is the main goal.

If that were true, then those removed Confederate monuments would have been replaced with "Marxist" ones, whatever the fuck that means, as some wag posted a while back as a joke. Perhaps it was you. Perhaps it was not a joke. Perhaps it was your own joke that you didn't even get.

More to the point, insofar as such a silly idea can coexist in the same breath with the word "point", if installing Marxism were some entity's goal, it would be entirely irrelevant to expend energy into Confederate monuments. They're no more related than fish and bicycles.

He's referring to the similarities between the presentist leanings of much of the left on history and how the proposed purge of statues beyond the Confederacy would be a similar tactic used by the Red Guard to eliminate the "Four Olds." If you erase a country's history, you can replace it with ideological propaganda. I'm not necessarily saying this is true of removing Confederate statues, but it would apply to removing statues of the Founders.

So, what he's referring to is a tactic that has been used by Marxists.

That's for him to say what he means, but if you're correct here then clearly he has no clue what's being discussed in this thread.

Which is, of course, where your father is buried.

 

[Dana7360]

I think it's very pathetic that the trump people need to have statues or memorials to the civil war losers just so the trump people won't forget a war that was fought a hundred and fifty years ago.

If you actually need a piece of metal or stone to remind you of a war fought 150 years ago, that history really didn't mean much to you to begin with.

Does putting those pieces of metal or stone in a museum stop you or anyone from knowing about that war?

The trump people sure do love their big government nanny.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

They’re already coming after the founders. In reality, it is not so much slavery itself as that is just one excuse. The goal is to usurp the entire culture in order to more successfully implement Marxism. That is the main goal.

If that were true, then those removed Confederate monuments would have been replaced with "Marxist" ones, whatever the fuck that means, as some wag posted a while back as a joke. Perhaps it was you. Perhaps it was not a joke. Perhaps it was your own joke that you didn't even get.

More to the point, insofar as such a silly idea can coexist in the same breath with the word "point", if installing Marxism were some entity's goal, it would be entirely irrelevant to expend energy into Confederate monuments. They're no more related than fish and bicycles.

He's referring to the similarities between the presentist leanings of much of the left on history and how the proposed purge of statues beyond the Confederacy would be a similar tactic used by the Red Guard to eliminate the "Four Olds." If you erase a country's history, you can replace it with ideological propaganda. I'm not necessarily saying this is true of removing Confederate statues, but it would apply to removing statues of the Founders.

So, what he's referring to is a tactic that has been used by Marxists.

It applies to all American history. CSA stuff is the easiest but only the beginning.

 

[Utilitarian]

I think it's very pathetic that the trump people need to have statues or memorials to the civil war losers just so the trump people won't forget a war that was fought a hundred and fifty years ago.

If you actually need a piece of metal or stone to remind you of a war fought 150 years ago, that history really didn't mean much to you to begin with.

Does putting those pieces of metal or stone in a museum stop you or anyone from knowing about that war?

The trump people sure do love their big government nanny.

If that's the argument, then I guess ISIS's removal of various historical monuments isn't a big deal either. A lot of the Buddhist statues they destroyed were much older than 150 years.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Okay, so I wasted my time by going back and watching the highly biased piece of Northern propaganda and "learned" nothing new. Nothing in that presentation provides any evidence that the Northern view of "Civil War" history is in any way more correct than the Southern view of the Civil War. The history books were written in the North and I appreciate the efforts of the Daughters of the Confederacy to see that children were presented an unbiased version of history. I submit that Northern insistence that the title "Civil" be used for a war in which civilian men women and children were slaughtered and abused is itself a fine and obvious piece of propaganda.

It's documented. Not sure where you get "Northern" out of Vox or Dr. Cox, a history professor here in North Carolina who has a considerable output of Southern history. So you mean 'Northern" as in "NORTH Carolina"?

What the fuck dood, I gave you the Wiki link as well. The Cult of the Lost Cause is not one of Fingerboy's "newly discovered photos". It got started right after the Civil War itself in the first edition of that revisionist history, the book by Pollard, which is referenced both in the video and the Wiki page.

As for "civil war" it's a commonly used term for any INTERNAL war within a single country. The English Civil War. The Russian Civil War. Etc. What you're doing is taking a George Carlin joke and polluting it, and you don't get away with that either.

Commemorate
com·mem·o·rate
/kəˈmeməˌrāt/
verb
recall and show respect for (someone or something).
"a wreath-laying ceremony to commemorate the war dead"
celebrate (an event, a person, or a situation) by doing or building something.

Apparently there's no dispute here. Point stands.

If they were NOT propaganda, it would be impossible to "agree" or "disagree" with it. You can't "agree" or "disagree" with fact; you "agree" or "disagree" with OPINION.

Untrue. People disagree with fact all the time. You especially. Monuments show the remembrance and respect of the people who erected them and require nothing from any one else. Your opinion is neither requested or called for.

WRONG. As I just said, you CANNOT "agree or disagree" with FACTS. That's NOT AN OPTION.

As you CONCEDE here, what monuments display is OPINION. A value judgment. You don't put up a monument to a Charles Manson and you don't put up a monument to some anonymous nobody. You put them up to HONOR a person or an event. NOTHING in that is made of "fact". That is OPINION. To honor something or someone is to render a value judgment thereof.

And you've still not proffered any explanation for why said monuments would be relentlessly put up in high traffic public spaces having nothing to do with any person or battle, even as far from the Civil War as freaking Montana --- which is even farther away than North Dakota. WHY did they do that, if these are not propaganda transmitters?

Why indeed.

So you're saying "Confederate monuments finally removed" (the topic here) had nothing to do with the Confederacy? Or slavery?

No, I'm saying that it is perfectly reasonable to honor and respect the Confederacy.

That's nice dear, but it's got nothing to do with unhooking propaganda transmitters that were set up specifically to revise the public perception of history.

Again, why don't you show the class some other example of the LOSERS of a war running around setting up propaganda transmitters to whitewash their legacy. Wide open --- anywhere and any time you want.

Not everyone shares your fetish over slavery nor do they use that yardstick to judge our ancestors by.

I'm not the one whining about fetishes here, Hunior. I'm the one pointing out what those fetishes WERE PUT THERE FOR.

To honor a person, to memorialize a battle and honor the fallen of both sides, these things have nothing to do with slavery anywhere except in your own beady little brain.

And in the articles of secession of literally every state that seceded to form the Confederacy. Are you now saying they were lying about their own motivations, in their own time??

Why does this sound so much like "Don't you tell me what you think --- *I* will tell you what you think"?

And why does it remind us that Robert E. Lee, whose image was taken down in New Orleans, whose yet-another image was the spark of the Tiki Torcher riot in Charlottesville --- specifically asked that those images SHOULD NOT EXIST? "Fuck Robert E. Lee, we know better". Is that it?

And a fact you continue to ignore is that many of, perhaps the majority, of the monuments commemorated nothing that had anything to do with that war or even that time period.

Oh really.
WHERE is this alleged "fact" then? Linkie?

What the fuck dood, I gave you the Wiki link as well. The Cult of the Lost Cause is not one of Fingerboy's "newly discovered photos". It got started right after the Civil War itself in the first edition of that revisionist history, the book by Pollard, which is referenced both in the video and the Wiki page.

I stand by what I wrote. Not your attempts to twist my words. I don't know or care about any alleged cult or what they are alleged to have done or attempted to do. I wrote that the history books were written in the North and may tend to reflect Northern opinion rather than historical fact. At least that's what the Daughters of the Confederacy seemed to think and that histories should convey truth rather than fiction. And they attempted to avoid that where possible. Your video contained no evidence to the contrary. Nor did I see evidence that they attempted to change the content of any history books, only that they marked the covers of books that they suspected of containing propaganda. You think there is something better about Northern propaganda than Southern propaganda?

propaganda
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"

Where exactly is it stated or implied that you have the option of deciding that a monument or other symbol commemorates or honors whatever you choose to imagine it does?
If a statue depicts a soldier how does that promote or honor slavery? Do you think the statue of Lincoln in DC celebrates the fact that he had federal troops fire on the people of NYC?

To honor something or someone is to render a value judgment thereof.

Of course it does. But it is your (the creator's) value judgement. People have a right to have and express opinions. That is not cause to believe they are attempting to change anyone else's much less mislead anyone.

And you've still not proffered any explanation for why said monuments would be relentlessly put up in high traffic public spaces having nothing to do with any person or battle, even as far from the Civil War as freaking Montana --- which is even farther away than North Dakota. WHY did they do that, if these are not propaganda transmitters?

Monuments are placed in public places because the public (the community) think they belong there. Who are people in Ca. to tell people in Ga. or anywhere else they do not? Pictures of Presidents are impressed into coins. Does that make them "propaganda transmitters"? Does that mean we are morally obligated to deface all such coins no matter where they are found or who owns them? Seriously.

nd in the articles of secession of literally every state that seceded to form the Confederacy. Are you now saying they were lying about their own motivations, in their own time??

No I am, and have, said that what is stated in the articles of secession is irrelevant to why the war was fought for the Confederacy, for the various States, and most certainly for the individuals who fought it.

 

[9thIDdoc]

“Maybe I live in a box, but I’ve never met a single black American who was a slave or a single white American that was a slave owner.
I’ve only come across lazy people who who believe that those of us who work ought to support them.
Human parasites. And they come in every race.”
Candace Owens (Tweet 7/15/20)