Good Guys With Guns

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Damn! They handcuffed that black man and he cooperated, knowing the cops were just taking precautions and conducting and investigation and he didn't fight them and everything turned out ok. We'll...I'll...just...be...damned!

 

[Man of Ethics]

So you find 7 cases...

Compared to the 20,000 gun homicides, 70,000 gun injuries, 43,000 gun suicides and 400,000 gun crimes every year.

Agree 100%. Those who support the Second Amendment enable tens of thousands of murders and suicides each year.

 

[JoeB131]

In post #32 you wrote, ''Democrats get elected to fix what Republicans fucked up.''.

How strange that leftist fixes were utter disasters.

Not really. When Bill Clinton got elected, we had high unemployment. When he left we had low unemployment, and the absolute worst thing we had to worry about was whether he lied about getting a blow job.

When Barak Obama got elected, we had double digit unemployment, a broken stock market, etc. When he left, we had low unemployment and good economic times. Trump managed to fuck that all up.

When Biden got elected, we were losing 4000 people a day to Covid, we were still having riots in the streets, and unemployment was at 6%. Trump had managed to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to post a net jobs loss.

leftists, you claim, were elected to ''fix'' low inflation, a largely secure border, rising middle class wages, low gas prices and low crime rates that existed during the Trump administration.... he's a republican, BTW.

No, they were elected to fix high unemployment, multiple deaths from Covid and fractured race relations. You know REAL problems.

Do you mean crime rates increased in 2020 when leftist mayors and governors allowed BLM to trash, burn and loot cities?

You mean the riots that were going to happen, regardless. We had 10 years to avoid the BLM riots. We failed to do so as a country.
We had 10 years of BLM and others peacefully protesting and working for reform.

Obama reached consent decrees with multiple cities to reform their police departments, that were immediately thrown out by Trump and Sessions when they got into office
Trump gave a speech where he endorsed police brutality. It was so bad numerous police chiefs had to condemn it.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAD RIOTS.

 

[JoeB131]

Our gun laws aren't lax.....the democrat party releasing violent criminals is the problem. The democrat party destroying the police is the problem.

We don't have to lock up everyone, just the violent criminals who use guns to shoot people...we have more than enough prison cells for them....but the democrats just will not keep them locked up.

We lock up 2 million people in this country. If locking people up prevented crime, we'd be the safest country in the industrialized world. Instead, when tourists come to America from Japan and Europe, they have to be given instructions on how NOT to be a crime victim in America.

 

[Hollie]

Not really. When Bill Clinton got elected, we had high unemployment. When he left we had low unemployment, and the absolute worst thing we had to worry about was whether he lied about getting a blow job.

When Barak Obama got elected, we had double digit unemployment, a broken stock market, etc. When he left, we had low unemployment and good economic times. Trump managed to fuck that all up.

When Biden got elected, we were losing 4000 people a day to Covid, we were still having riots in the streets, and unemployment was at 6%. Trump had managed to be the first president since Herbert Hoover to post a net jobs loss.



No, they were elected to fix high unemployment, multiple deaths from Covid and fractured race relations. You know REAL problems.



You mean the riots that were going to happen, regardless. We had 10 years to avoid the BLM riots. We failed to do so as a country.
We had 10 years of BLM and others peacefully protesting and working for reform.

Obama reached consent decrees with multiple cities to reform their police departments, that were immediately thrown out by Trump and Sessions when they got into office
Trump gave a speech where he endorsed police brutality. It was so bad numerous police chiefs had to condemn it.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAD RIOTS.

Yeah, it was lots of fun. Portland was the riot capitol of the west coast. Keftusts gave BLM a free hand to burn the cities. Cackling kamala vowed to assist with the bail for rioters.


President Trump made repeated offers to send in the National Guard but those offered were refused.


Inflation was at 1.8% when Trump left office, Dems made quick work to ramp that up,

Inflation has surged 13% since President Biden took office: economist

“American consumers are falling way behind,” an economist told The Post.

nypost.com

 

[2aguy]

We lock up 2 million people in this country. If locking people up prevented crime, we'd be the safest country in the industrialized world. Instead, when tourists come to America from Japan and Europe, they have to be given instructions on how NOT to be a crime victim in America.

And then the democrat party releases the most violent criminals over and over again....it doesn't matter if you only lock them up for a day, you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

We lock up 2 million people in this country. If locking people up prevented crime, we'd be the safest country in the industrialized world. Instead, when tourists come to America from Japan and Europe, they have to be given instructions on how NOT to be a crime victim in America.

And Americans like Briner have to learn how not to be criminals in Russia....you idiot.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Good Guys With Guns”

…is a myth.

“The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.”

How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?

Many gun owners say the primary reason they own a firearm is self-defense. But for years, experts have been starkly divided over how often people actually use guns for this purpose.

www.npr.org

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The fact that guns are rarely used in lawful self-defense doesn’t mean that citizens should be prevented from possessing guns for that purpose.

Citizens aren’t required to ‘justify’ the exercising of a fundamental right as a ‘prerequisite’ to indeed do so.

Consequently, conservatives need to stop lying about guns being used in self-defense in some pathetic effort to ‘justify’ the carrying of concealed firearms.

 

[M14 Shooter]

“Good Guys With Guns”
…is a myth.
“The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.”

How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?

Many gun owners say the primary reason they own a firearm is self-defense. But for years, experts have been starkly divided over how often people actually use guns for this purpose.

www.npr.org

If 100,000 defensive gun uses per year is "rare", what are ~10,000 murders and ~25,000 suicides?
Very rare?
Exceptionally rare?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sales of firearms were setting records because leftists were enabling violent criminals while trying to crush the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Kinda' reads like leftism is its own worst enemy.

This is a lie.

‘Leftists’ neither ‘enable’ violent criminals nor do they seek to ‘crush’ the rights of citizens – that’s the sole purview of the right.

Liberals support Second Amendment jurisprudence, do not advocate ‘disarming’ Americans, and possess guns themselves for lawful self-defense.

This is typical of the lies and demagoguery propagated by the dishonest right.

 

[M14 Shooter]

‘Leftists’ neither ‘enable’ violent criminals nor do they seek to ‘crush’ the rights of citizens – that’s the sole purview of the right.
Liberals support Second Amendment jurisprudence, do not advocate ‘disarming’ Americans, and possess guns themselves for lawful self-defense.

This is typical of the lies and demagoguery propagated by the dishonest left.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You mean the gun industry unethically told people "Biden is going to take your guns".

Right after "Obama's gonna take your guns."

Right after "Clinton is going to take your guns".

And like most RW lies, you keep falling for it.

Correct.

For decades conservatives have lied about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated’ during Democratic administrations – and after all that time guns were neither ‘banned’ nor ‘confiscated.’

Nothing but lies and demagoguery from the right intended to keep the Republican base ignorant, frightened, and going to the polls.

 

[M14 Shooter]

For decades conservatives have lied about guns being ‘banned’ and ‘confiscated’ during Democratic administrations ....

This can only be true if the right knows Democrats are lying about their stated intentions re: firearms.
Why would Democrats lie about this?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You mean right after threats from leftist hacks who told us about ''assault weapons'' bans, bans on ammunition magazines that would make thousands of commonly owned types of Firearms illegal or right after Beto O'rourke types threatened to confiscate Firearms?

That idea didn't get much traction when leftist hacks decided to support and enable violent criminals, when leftist hacks refused to prosecute criminals and when leftist hacks thought that letting career criminals loose to kill and maim the public was a good idea.

Gun sales: Best May ever, 2021 set to crush record, public ‘afraid of violence, tyranny’ - Washington Examiner

As Democrats and President Joe Biden continue to promote gun control instead of targeting those who commit violent acts, people in May continued to flood gun stores, giving the month the record for FBI background checks.The latest FBI data suggest that 2021 will be another record year for...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Those who bought guns motivated by ‘fear of violence’ did so the consequence of an unwarranted fear; and the ‘violence’ they perceived had nothing to do with Democrats or Democratic policies.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Those who bought guns motivated by ‘fear of violence’ did so the consequence of an unwarranted fear; and the ‘violence’ they perceived had nothing to do with Democrats or Democratic policies.

This can only be true if they knew Democrats are lying about their stated intentions re: firearms.
Why would Democrats lie about this?

 

[Blues Man]

“Good Guys With Guns”

…is a myth.

“The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.”

How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?

Many gun owners say the primary reason they own a firearm is self-defense. But for years, experts have been starkly divided over how often people actually use guns for this purpose.

www.npr.org

What you fail to understand is that if a crime never occurred because a potential victim pulled a gun then no crime was actually committed and therefore not counted in crime statistics

 

[Blues Man]

Those who bought guns motivated by ‘fear of violence’ did so the consequence of an unwarranted fear; and the ‘violence’ they perceived had nothing to do with Democrats or Democratic policies.

yes and only those of you fortunate enough never to have been the victim of a violent crime are so naïve as to think that violence doesn't exist.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The idea doesn't get much traction because even though most Americans support tougher gun laws, they aren't willing to fight for them.

That and the tyranny of Republican minority rule.

Although a majority of Americans support tougher gun laws, such legislation can’t be enacted because Congress isn’t representative of the will of the majority of the people the consequence of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the disenfranchisement of minority voters in Republican-controlled states.

 

[Blues Man]

That and the tyranny of Republican minority rule.

Although a majority of Americans support tougher gun laws, such legislation can’t be enacted because Congress isn’t representative of the will of the majority of the people the consequence of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the disenfranchisement of minority voters in Republican-controlled states.

The government refuses to enforce gun laws and that is the reason we have the gun crimes we do