Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump, and I know some trumpers are counting on the ACA

[AzogtheDefiler]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you.

You reported me because you’re a lying loser. If we get rid of preexisting conditions then people may eat healthier, exercise and have fewer preexisting conditions. How is that not related to the OP? Please explain that you ignorant Holocaust denying bitch.

Start a thread.

Nope. I am replying to yours as to why preexisting conditions are stupid. We need to force people to get healthier and not bail them out. Report that but it’s on topic. You just don’t like it.

 

[Auld Phart]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

/———/ No adult aged 26 should be on Mommy and Daddy’s insurance plan. Man up and pay your own way.

of course they should ... howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. when all that is available are part time jobs that offer no bennies AND the economy ain't gonna get better any time soon due to donny's incompetency ... it's a great protection & the house flipped precisely because obamacare is in danger.

/——/ Post a link proving only part time jobs are available. And prove it’s the president and not blue state governors that are causing the economic slow down. You won’t because you can’t.

most of the uptick in employment gains are because people that were furloughed are coming back or biz'nez's are reopening.

& college grads don't have enough cash to pay for health insurance AND student loans at the same time.

healthcare was the #1 issue in 2018... with this pandemic that donny has managed so piss poorly ... it will be the top issue again.


"Over the last six months, we’ve witnessed one manufacturing miracle after another," the president said on a visit last month to a Whirlpool factory. Ohio was down 48,000 manufacturing workers in July from last year. Pre-pandemic, it had lost 2,200 workers in February from last year.

The trend is mirrored nationwide. Manufacturing across the U.S. is still down 720,000 workers from February despite gaining 29,000 jobs in August, with the pandemic more than wiping out the overall modest gains of 500,000 from Trump's first three years in office — about the same pace of growth as under President Barack Obama. It was not an improvement over prior years — nor did it manage to restore more than a fraction of the jobs lost in the previous decade, according to an August analysis by the Economic Policy Institute.

A Bureau of Labor Statistics analysis released Sept. 1 said that even prepandemic, the sector was on track to lose nearly 450,000 workers by 2029, the most of any area of the economy. At the same time, output has made a notable recovery due to increased automation, with the industrial production index bouncing back to almost 98 in July — less than 10 points down from February.

That disparity means that many of the losses are likely permanent, economists say.
Trump hails ‘manufacturing miracle’ as factories bleed jobs

/—-/ So you think Trump should order Governors to fully reopen their states? If so, I agree.

nope. just the opposite. his short sighted instant gratification defect has cost lives. the states that are fully open - are infested with covidiots chock full of coronavirus.

btw - donny, as much as he'd like to be king... cannot 'order' any states to open up per the 10th amendment of the constitution of the united states.

/—-/ Exactly right. So how is the president supposed to reinvigorate the economy with dopes like Andy Cuomo keeping their foot on the brakes? What is Trump supposed to do?

if donny did what was actually NEEDED to do b4 the virus hit & for a few weeks when covid did arrive ... then we would be in far better shape. the fact that he is too much of a pussy to admit he fucked up & asked his basket dwellers to mask up like they should - we can mitigate this virus & actually open up faster than to ignore the realities.

/—-/ You mean like banning flights from China while Dementia Joe, Deblasio, and Piglosi said it’s all safe and Trump is Xenophobic? You mean like that?

you mean the only good thing he did waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in march after almost 2 months of doing nothing but praise china?

mistakes were made early on - no doubt about it , because it's a brand spanking new virus & not alot was known then & we are learning every day what works, what doesn't & what can be done NOW.

the (D)s are fully on board with the experts - not relying on donny's hunches & outright lies about this virus.

donny - ignoring the science & the evolving evidence is literally killing the poorly educated who are following his lead like lemmings.

you mean the only good thing he did waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in march after almost 2 months of doing nothing but praise china?

March?

Trump Administration Restricts Entry Into U.S. From China (Published 2020)

The travel disruption sent shocks through the stock market and rattled industries that depend on the flow of goods and people between the world’s two largest economies.

www.nytimes.com

according to NYTs, he banned flights from China on January 21

 

[Auld Phart]

Cleaned Thread.

stick to the topic

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

 

[Cellblock2429]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

/-----/ " Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. "
It was Obozo who told a woman that her elderly mother shouldn't get a pacemaker in spite of her quality of life. She should just take a pill and go home to die. Man, that is liberal compassion for ya.
And before you libtard stooges call me a liar, see for yourself: Obama: Maybe You're "Better Off" Taking Painkillers And Forgoing Surgery | RealClearPolitics

 

[Daryl Hunt]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

/-----/ " Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. "
It was Obozo who told a woman that her elderly mother shouldn't get a pacemaker in spite of her quality of life. She should just take a pill and go home to die. Man, that is liberal compassion for ya.
And before you libtard stooges call me a liar, see for yourself: Obama: Maybe You're "Better Off" Taking Painkillers And Forgoing Surgery | RealClearPolitics

No he didn't say that. Stop lying. He talked about options and just commented on a generalization option. ACA covered the Pacemaker even at her 105 year old age. The Republican plan would be no pain killers or pacemaker, just send her home to die quickly.

We keep hearing the same tune. "In 2 weeks, I will display my wonderful Health Care to replace Obamacare". Well Rump has been saying the same thing for 3 years now. Where is it? And where is the bill from the Senate or the proposal from the Republicans in the House? No the Reps and Rump says, right after he wins the Election they will present the new and improved healthcare plan. Sorry, that ran out 3 years ago.

 

[Penelope]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

 

[Cellblock2429]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

/-----/ " Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. "
It was Obozo who told a woman that her elderly mother shouldn't get a pacemaker in spite of her quality of life. She should just take a pill and go home to die. Man, that is liberal compassion for ya.
And before you libtard stooges call me a liar, see for yourself: Obama: Maybe You're "Better Off" Taking Painkillers And Forgoing Surgery | RealClearPolitics

No he didn't say that. Stop lying. He talked about options and just commented on a generalization option. ACA covered the Pacemaker even at her 105 year old age. The Republican plan would be no pain killers or pacemaker, just send her home to die quickly.

We keep hearing the same tune. "In 2 weeks, I will display my wonderful Health Care to replace Obamacare". Well Rump has been saying the same thing for 3 years now. Where is it? And where is the bill from the Senate or the proposal from the Republicans in the House? No the Reps and Rump says, right after he wins the Election they will present the new and improved healthcare plan. Sorry, that ran out 3 years ago.

/----/ Except for the part where he said it - he didn't say it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

/-----/ " Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. "
It was Obozo who told a woman that her elderly mother shouldn't get a pacemaker in spite of her quality of life. She should just take a pill and go home to die. Man, that is liberal compassion for ya.
And before you libtard stooges call me a liar, see for yourself: Obama: Maybe You're "Better Off" Taking Painkillers And Forgoing Surgery | RealClearPolitics

No he didn't say that. Stop lying. He talked about options and just commented on a generalization option. ACA covered the Pacemaker even at her 105 year old age. The Republican plan would be no pain killers or pacemaker, just send her home to die quickly.

We keep hearing the same tune. "In 2 weeks, I will display my wonderful Health Care to replace Obamacare". Well Rump has been saying the same thing for 3 years now. Where is it? And where is the bill from the Senate or the proposal from the Republicans in the House? No the Reps and Rump says, right after he wins the Election they will present the new and improved healthcare plan. Sorry, that ran out 3 years ago.

/----/ Except for the part where he said it - he didn't say it.
View attachment 390928

Here is what he said from the link provided.

WSJ: At one point in the town hall, broadcast from the East Room by ABC news, a woman named Jane Sturm told the story of her 105-year-old mother, who, at 100, was told by an arrhythmia specialist that she was too old for a pacemaker. She ended up getting a second option, and the operation, for which Ms. Sturm credits her survival. "Look, the first thing for all of us to understand that is we actually have some -- some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care," Mr. Obama replied. After discussing ways "we as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves," he continued that in general "at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

At 105, her Mother is at the "End of Life". And the Family and the Doctor elected to go with the pacemaker. Even a few months may be precious to her and her family. That's their decision. And at 105, her chances of living through the surgery were much lower than taking the medicine. But, then again, it's the Families choice. The ACA covered it either way. Today, there would be NO surgery or pacemaker installed.

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

 

[JustAGuy1]

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.

Imagine how progressive the country could become without the poor.

I think we see that plan in the Covid 19 Rump plan today.

Many Companies waived the costs for Covid tests and treatment.

 

[Shelzin]

Piss poor analogy.

How so?

People would give up their home if they could have their health back. They would spend their last dollar if they needed to. It caused them to file bankruptcy before the ACA.

That doesn't address the analogy at all.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.

Imagine how progressive the country could become without the poor.

I think we see that plan in the Covid 19 Rump plan today.

Many Companies waived the costs for Covid tests and treatment.

And many don't. What we need is a national push to get EVERYONE tested and isolate those that have it and those that are possibles. Then, and only then, can we get a good handle on it. The United States has only 5% of the Worlds Population yet we have 20% of the Covid 19 related deaths.

 

[JustAGuy1]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

The BS flag has been thrown.

"mandated yearly physicals"
There are not now or ever were "mandatory" physicals.

"vaccinations,"
Wrong again, vaccinations have always been covered and always will. If you want to cry about a small co-pay go cry somewhere else.

"mammogram & colonoscopy coverage"
Always have and always will be, see above about co-pays.

"maternity care & well child care"
Maternity was always elective and cost prohibitive (individual market), well baby care has always had coverage

"catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps"

There has always been caps on out of pocket expenses son. No yearly caps and the lifetime cap was typically 1 million. In 20 years as an agent I never had 1 client spend that much.

 

[Shelzin]

Then, and only then, can we get a good handle on it. The United States has only 5% of the Worlds Population yet we have 20% of the Covid 19 related deaths.

No... We don't. There is more than enough evidence out now that we know that the "covid 19 related deaths" are inflated.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

The BS flag has been thrown.

"mandated yearly physicals"
There are not now or ever were "mandatory" physicals.

"vaccinations,"
Wrong again, vaccinations have always been covered and always will. If you want to cry about a small co-pay go cry somewhere else.

"mammogram & colonoscopy coverage"
Always have and always will be, see above about co-pays.

"maternity care & well child care"
Maternity was always elective and cost prohibitive (individual market), well baby care has always had coverage

"catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps"

There has always been caps on out of pocket expenses son. No yearly caps and the lifetime cap was typically 1 million. In 20 years as an agent I never had 1 client spend that much.

The ACA is a Minimum, not a maximum. If your company can provide a better service for less money, the ACA doesn't preclude you from selling it. The ACA doesn't prohibit competition. What it does is stop the nonsense policies that really don't do anything if the person does get sick.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Piss poor analogy.

How so?

People would give up their home if they could have their health back. They would spend their last dollar if they needed to. It caused them to file bankruptcy before the ACA.

Do you really want to argue that were no annual caps to out of pocket expenses prior to the ACA?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Then, and only then, can we get a good handle on it. The United States has only 5% of the Worlds Population yet we have 20% of the Covid 19 related deaths.

No... We don't. There is more than enough evidence out now that we know that the "covid 19 related deaths" are inflated.

Even the latest voicing from your Orange Deity disagrees with you. You could go to hell by disagreeing with your Orange God, you know.

 

[DrLove]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Oh hell, it ain't just health care we can kiss goodbye.

• Equal protections for LGBTQ's including the right to marry and adopt children. I suspect all existing gay marriages would be declared null and void.
• A woman's right to choose - Already next to impossible to get an abortion in many parts of the country. Polish up those coat hangers ladies
• Family separation including the caging of toddlers will no longer have to be done in secret
• Forty years of progress and equal right for women and for blacks and everything MLK achieved tossed in the trash

IOW, we'll go right back to the early 1950s - What tRump has longed for his entire life. Sad

 

[JustAGuy1]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

/———/ No adult aged 26 should be on Mommy and Daddy’s insurance plan. Man up and pay your own way.

of course they should ... howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................. when all that is available are part time jobs that offer no bennies AND the economy ain't gonna get better any time soon due to donny's incompetency ... it's a great protection & the house flipped precisely because obamacare is in danger.

/——/ Post a link proving only part time jobs are available. And prove it’s the president and not blue state governors that are causing the economic slow down. You won’t because you can’t.

most of the uptick in employment gains are because people that were furloughed are coming back or biz'nez's are reopening.

& college grads don't have enough cash to pay for health insurance AND student loans at the same time.

healthcare was the #1 issue in 2018... with this pandemic that donny has managed so piss poorly ... it will be the top issue again.


"Over the last six months, we’ve witnessed one manufacturing miracle after another," the president said on a visit last month to a Whirlpool factory. Ohio was down 48,000 manufacturing workers in July from last year. Pre-pandemic, it had lost 2,200 workers in February from last year.

The trend is mirrored nationwide. Manufacturing across the U.S. is still down 720,000 workers from February despite gaining 29,000 jobs in August, with the pandemic more than wiping out the overall modest gains of 500,000 from Trump's first three years in office — about the same pace of growth as under President Barack Obama. It was not an improvement over prior years — nor did it manage to restore more than a fraction of the jobs lost in the previous decade, according to an August analysis by the Economic Policy Institute.

A Bureau of Labor Statistics analysis released Sept. 1 said that even prepandemic, the sector was on track to lose nearly 450,000 workers by 2029, the most of any area of the economy. At the same time, output has made a notable recovery due to increased automation, with the industrial production index bouncing back to almost 98 in July — less than 10 points down from February.

That disparity means that many of the losses are likely permanent, economists say.
Trump hails ‘manufacturing miracle’ as factories bleed jobs

/—-/ So you think Trump should order Governors to fully reopen their states? If so, I agree.

nope. just the opposite. his short sighted instant gratification defect has cost lives. the states that are fully open - are infested with covidiots chock full of coronavirus.

btw - donny, as much as he'd like to be king... cannot 'order' any states to open up per the 10th amendment of the constitution of the united states.

So you want to cry about the economy and keep everything closed. You're a smart one aren't you?