Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump, and I know some trumpers are counting on the ACA

[dblack]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

Sure, insurance make sense for unexpected calamities - but a sane person can budget for regular health care needs. It's irrational, and expensive, to use insurance to finance routine healthcare expenses. The more healthcare we pay for ourselves, the better off we'll be.

I used to have catastrophic healthcare until the ACA mandate and it went away. It covered catastrophic events only. Well checks, minor illnesses were left to me and I could negotiate with the doctor's office if I paid that day.

Yep. Catastrophic policies were the way out. But ACA closed that door. Because the entire point of ACA was to herd everyone into the insurance industry pens, to set them up as permanent, government sponsored middlemen in every healthcare transaction.

the ACA has catasrophic coverage only policies - but are for those on the younger side ( age 35 & lower?) because of the obvious reasons.

Yep. They're regulated in a number of ways that make them more expensive and less available. Thanks Obama!

 

[dblack]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

 

[playtime]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dblack]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you sprain your wrist steering around the point? Deflection is not a river in Egypt.

Insurance makes health care more expensive. It's the primary reason health care costs more than it should. We need less insurance, not more. Though I can see how insurance industry shills would offer up a different line.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ACA is like putting a band aid on a gushing wound. It doesn’t work. We need to revamp insurance in the US but Obama did it stupidly. Trump hasn’t done it at all. Both get Fs so far. Hopefully if he wins, Trump addresses this in his 2nd term. But if you believe the ACA is a success you are financially illiterate.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you sprain your wrist steering around the point? Deflection is not a river in Egypt.

Insurance makes health care more expensive. It's the primary reason health care costs more than it should. We need less insurance, not more. Though I can see how insurance industry shills would offer up a different line.

Correct. Let the free markets decide. Look at LASIK. Used to cost $5k per eye and now you can get it for $800 per. More doctors came into the marketplace, better tech, price dropped. Supply and Demand economics. We do need critical care insurance like for major surgeries, cancer, etc. but that’s it.

 

[DrLove]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed - I thank Obama every time I get a flu shot, get free preventative care, see a specialist or pick up a prescription.
Trump and Republican malcontents can toss 20 million with a preexisting condition off their insurance ...
But they'll pay for it for a very long time. Guess they really don't want to win another election.

 

[DrLove]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Excellent additions - I guess Trumpublicans would tell the guy who gets whacked by a drunk driver or suffers a bad fall to be more careful (and to please die quickly).

 

[depotoo]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Fear mongering again.

Trump will take executive action to protect preexisting conditions, Pence says

WASHINGTON — President Trump will take executive action “in the weeks ahead” to protect Americans with pre-existing conditions as his administration tries to kill ObamaCare in the…

nypost.com

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump

Sounds like a good reason to vote for him then. I certainly don’t want any pre-existing conditions

 

[dblack]

Agreed - I thank Obama every time I get a flu shot, get free preventative care ...

It's not free. In fact, it's more expensive because you're playing the insurance game instead of paying for it directly. It's fine if you want play a dumb, wasteful game. Just don't force everyone else to do likewise.

 

[Papageorgio]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

Then the SC decides, not the President. So Will is correct. Thank you.

the case started in texas with donny's blessing. although fully aware - he has not weighed in to stop it; nor has mentioned anyting about it - thus duping his poorly educated deplorables even more.

wait till they find out after the fact. some will still say they are willing to die for him.

'merika! fuck ya!!!

So a Texas man has taken a law to the SC and the SC is going to rule on it. Trump has no power to stop it. If it is found to be unconstitutional the SC will strike it down. Trump has done nothing because it is going through a branch of government he is not apart of.

nooooooooooo............. it's the red republican donny supporting state of texas that got the ball rolling.

Anyone is allowed to challenge a law, Trump can’t stop this process because it is in the judicial branch of the government, just like Obama couldn’t stop the challenges that went to the SC for the ACA when he was President.

So Will is still correct and you are dead wrong after four tries.

so you equate ' weighing in ' with the ability to ' stop it '?

silly you - guess you missed comp class.

No the OP did.
So you equate not commenting on a subject as being for it?

Besides, Trump already has said he will push an EO requiring insurance to cover PECs.

uh-huh.

trump has already said that he would 'repeal & replace obamacare on DAY 1 '

trump said ' it's going to be so easy '

june 16, 2019:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Don't you have to tell people what the plan is?

TRUMP:
Yeah, well, we'll be announcing that in about two months.
Maybe less. So, yeah, sure you do. But-- but, again, that's-- that's subject to winning back the House, Senate and the presidency. You need the three. But we are--
Transcript: ABC News' George Stephanopoulos' exclusive interview with President Trump

july 19, 2020



dupes love getting duped.

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

strike down the ACA in its entirety. the case b4 them now argues that since the mandated coverage has been ruled 'unconstitutional' then the whole law must be ruled that way.

Right, and how does Trump end PEC’s if only the court can end it?

if PEC protections are eliminated, or rates are jacked up so much for those that fall into that category where they cannot afford a policy in any healthcare plan he signs - well there you have it.

How does Trump end PEC’s if only the court can?

 

[Papageorgio]

He's been in office almost 4 years...


why hasn't he done that yet?

the ACA is in front of the SC right now - they will be deciding on whether the whole thing, including ALL the protections ( not just the pre existing condition protection ) go ba bye.

mandated yearly physicals,
vaccinations,
mammogram & colonoscopy coverage,
maternity care & well child care,
catastrophic cost protections,
annual coverage limit caps, lifetime caps,
children staying on their parents' policies until the age of 26...

just to name a few.

they all get wiped out.

Then the SC decides, not the President. So Will is correct. Thank you.

the case started in texas with donny's blessing. although fully aware - he has not weighed in to stop it; nor has mentioned anyting about it - thus duping his poorly educated deplorables even more.

wait till they find out after the fact. some will still say they are willing to die for him.

'merika! fuck ya!!!

So a Texas man has taken a law to the SC and the SC is going to rule on it. Trump has no power to stop it. If it is found to be unconstitutional the SC will strike it down. Trump has done nothing because it is going through a branch of government he is not apart of.

nooooooooooo............. it's the red republican donny supporting state of texas that got the ball rolling.

Anyone is allowed to challenge a law, Trump can’t stop this process because it is in the judicial branch of the government, just like Obama couldn’t stop the challenges that went to the SC for the ACA when he was President.

So Will is still correct and you are dead wrong after four tries.

so you equate ' weighing in ' with the ability to ' stop it '?

silly you - guess you missed comp class.

No the OP did.
So you equate not commenting on a subject as being for it?

Besides, Trump already has said he will push an EO requiring insurance to cover PECs.

uh-huh.

trump has already said that he would 'repeal & replace obamacare on DAY 1 '

trump said ' it's going to be so easy '

june 16, 2019:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Don't you have to tell people what the plan is?

TRUMP:
Yeah, well, we'll be announcing that in about two months.
Maybe less. So, yeah, sure you do. But-- but, again, that's-- that's subject to winning back the House, Senate and the presidency. You need the three. But we are--
Transcript: ABC News' George Stephanopoulos' exclusive interview with President Trump

july 19, 2020



dupes love getting duped.

I dont believe campaign promises, it is all hot air. I don’t believe that Trump will end PECs because he hasn’t yet and it is just another politician’s BS. So you agree then that Trump doesn’t follow thru on promises and so will not end PEC’s?

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

Sure, insurance make sense for unexpected calamities - but a sane person can budget for regular health care needs. It's irrational, and expensive, to use insurance to finance routine healthcare expenses. The more healthcare we pay for ourselves, the better off we'll be.

I used to have catastrophic healthcare until the ACA mandate and it went away. It covered catastrophic events only. Well checks, minor illnesses were left to me and I could negotiate with the doctor's office if I paid that day.

Yep. Catastrophic policies were the way out. But ACA closed that door. Because the entire point of ACA was to herd everyone into the insurance industry pens, to set them up as permanent, government sponsored middlemen in every healthcare transaction.

the ACA has catasrophic coverage only policies - but are for those on the younger side ( age 35 & lower?) because of the obvious reasons.

I prefer catastrophic as it protected me from major health tragedies. I don’t need to cover well checks, colds, flus and other minor health concerns. My premiums went way up under ACA and I never used it. It is a waste of money. I believe the consumer knows what they need more than a legislator that never meet you or know you exist. IMHO.

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

Sure, insurance make sense for unexpected calamities - but a sane person can budget for regular health care needs. It's irrational, and expensive, to use insurance to finance routine healthcare expenses. The more healthcare we pay for ourselves, the better off we'll be.

Sorry, but my health insurance as a self-employed independent contractor with Blue Cross prior to the ACA was astronomical and was going up 30% per year on average. The ACA cut my insurance costs in half for a MUCH better policy and it's gone up around 10% per year.

Thanks Obama!

Right, and for the rest of us it went up to support your dreg pelosi.

Nonsense, but up to you if you wanna steal pre-existing conditions (including COVID) from 20 million people. GREAT political decision Gomer!

Not stealing anything from anyone.....now you taking my taxes to pay for dreg's insurance is strealing.

bullshit. you do realize that those who fall between the cracks, or refuse to get insurance, or are from red states that didn't sign up for the expanded medicaid portion of the ACA ...

you pay for them anyway thru taxes AND higher premiums. you think hospitals that treat these people do it outa the goodness of their hearts?

hell no ... they just charge YOU higher for YOUR stay so they make their profit, & the insurance company in turn charges YOU more for coverage so they make their profit.

true fiscal conservatism sees the wisdom in paying a little up front ( for preventative medicine ) than a whole lot more on the back end after an insidious illness has taken hold.

We already pay for people without insurance and have done so for many decades. The cost really doesn’t change whether you have insurance or not and without insurance it is usually less.

 

[jbrownson0831]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

Sure, insurance make sense for unexpected calamities - but a sane person can budget for regular health care needs. It's irrational, and expensive, to use insurance to finance routine healthcare expenses. The more healthcare we pay for ourselves, the better off we'll be.

Sorry, but my health insurance as a self-employed independent contractor with Blue Cross prior to the ACA was astronomical and was going up 30% per year on average. The ACA cut my insurance costs in half for a MUCH better policy and it's gone up around 10% per year.

Thanks Obama!

Right, and for the rest of us it went up to support your dreg pelosi.

Nonsense, but up to you if you wanna steal pre-existing conditions (including COVID) from 20 million people. GREAT political decision Gomer!

Not stealing anything from anyone.....now you taking my taxes to pay for dreg's insurance is strealing.

bullshit. you do realize that those who fall between the cracks, or refuse to get insurance, or are from red states that didn't sign up for the expanded medicaid portion of the ACA ...

you pay for them anyway thru taxes AND higher premiums. you think hospitals that treat these people do it outa the goodness of their hearts?

hell no ... they just charge YOU higher for YOUR stay so they make their profit, & the insurance company in turn charges YOU more for coverage so they make their profit.

true fiscal conservatism sees the wisdom in paying a little up front ( for preventative medicine ) than a whole lot more on the back end after an insidious illness has taken hold.

We already pay for people without insurance and have done so for many decades. The cost really doesn’t change whether you have insurance or not and without insurance it is usually less.

That is great incentive for individual responsibility isn't it?

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ACA guarantees that health insurance providers get a profit and that is why many insurance companies opted in, they had nothing to lose and no risk, they were also guaranteed clients.

 

[TheHardTruth]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

Moronic, ignorant, fear monger statement. Your Ill informed, ignorant knowledge of the system, or deliberate mis-leading fear mongering is so iconic of a liberal running scared. There is and has long been a plan for the poor which protects the poor, in some cases, BETTER than middle income plans. It's called Medicaid. It's FREE to, as you refer to them, "poor" people, I prefer the term low income individuals. It has NO copays, NO deductible....EVERYTHING is covered 100%.

Oh, and just one more correction that Progressive, socialist, liberals like you don't seem to understand. It's not the Governments dime.......it's the peoples dime. Even you contribute to that "dime". So before you are so quick to spend the "Governments" money....remember, if you can, that its YOUR money you are spending. If you are SO anxious to spend your hard earned money on someone else, dig deep into YOUR pocket and give it away to a worthy charity that serves those you wish to help. The more those charities can help, the less the government needs to do. Stop pawning off your altruistic ideology onto others, in the form of higher taxes, that may not subscribe to your ideals. How would you like it if you were forced to give to a Religious organization so they could continue their charitable work helping others? I suspect not very much.

 

[dblack]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Yes, those are valid uses for insurance. But using insurance to finance "wellness visits" and other routine health care expenses is stupid. It's just funneling money through insurance company middlemen, for no reason other than to give the insurance companies a "cut". Thanks Obama!

ummmmm ' for profit ' insurance has been the norm far longer than the ACA was in effect.

b4 the ACA, the insurance companies could charge what they wanted, for coverage they wanted to give & take whatever profits they deemed nessisary to keep them in the black & pay their CEOs & board of directors multi millions a yr.

the ACA mandates that 80% of ind. policy premiums & 85% of group ins. premiums go directly for the healthcare of the policy holder or a refund gets issued.

THANX OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The ACA guarantees that health insurance providers get a profit and that is why many insurance companies opted in, they had nothing to lose and no risk, they were also guaranteed clients.

Yep. ACA sets insurance companies up with a permanent rent-seeking position as middlemen for every health care transaction. What company wouldn't jump at that?

 

[Papageorgio]

That's the point of having insurance before something bad happens....

After all, you don't insure your house after it burns down, do you????

Piss poor analogy.

Explain why

I already did. read the posts.

You’re missing the key point. We are the fattest and unhealthiest country. Maybe less fast food, fatty and you won’t have worry about pre-existing conditions. Doesn’t all your Jew hatred burn calories?

I'm sure the board members don't want to talk about me, so I refer you to the OP.

The OP should be concentrated on why so many have preexisting conditions. Why do you keep deflecting?

I know you are trying to derail this post so I reported you. This easy, if you vote for tramp gone are the Pec's. Why don't you start a thread on what causes PEC's.

So why didn’t you answer Will’s point? If he is going to end PEC’s, why hasn’t he done so already?

He is waiting on the Supreme Court, you know he is trying to end PEC's and the ACA.

Waiting for the SC to do what?

It up at the SC and tramp wants it to be gone.

What is up to the SC? You keep dodging.

Supreme Court to hear challenge to Obamacare on Nov. 10, a week after Election Day

A decision in the case, which could disrupt the health care coverage of tens of millions of Americans, is expected by June of 2021.

www.cnbc.com

CNBC is fake news. Anything else?

holy crap azog - you really didn't know it's b4 the SC? they will be hearing the case after the election. do yer own research then.

Again, I do not care. ACA is a scam. Want good insurance? Get a good job.

Or better yet, pay for your own healthcare. Insurance is for unexpected loss. It doesn't make healthcare cheaper, it makes it more expensive.

No one expects bad health news. You get cancer, you need a heart bypass and have no health insurance? You're screwed and most likely will be bankrupted in a very short amount of time.

So your "better yet - pay for it yourself" thing doesn't work. Bad health news is ALWAYS unexpected and is something no one can anticipate.

forget about an unexpected illness - what about some drunk driver smashing into you or by some other accident like a bad fall?

Excellent additions - I guess Trumpublicans would tell the guy who gets whacked by a drunk driver or suffers a bad fall to be more careful (and to please die quickly).

Total lie and emotional response to illicit a point. Try facts once in awhile.