God proven to exist using mathematics

[Midnight FM]

Okay, now that God has been proven to exist. Will atheists continue to bury their heads in the sand and just deny it because they want to?

 

[alang1216]

Okay, now that God has been proven to exist. Will atheists continue to bury their heads in the sand and just deny it because they want to?

They make a case for a Creator of the universe but I didn't see any connection made between that Creator and the God of the Bible.

 

[Anomalism]

They make a case for a Creator of the universe but I didn't see any connection made between that Creator and the God of the Bible.

Yes.

This distinction is important.

I have always believed that the Big Bang is one of the greatest arguments for the existence of God that we have. It doesn't suggest anything about biblical interpretations though.

 

[Votto]

Okay, now that God has been proven to exist. Will atheists continue to bury their heads in the sand and just deny it because they want to?

Nope, Darwin done it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Okay, now that God has been proven to exist. Will atheists continue to bury their heads in the sand and just deny it because they want to?

He has not been proven to exist

 

[The Irish Ram]

They make a case for a Creator of the universe but I didn't see any connection made between that Creator and the God of the Bible.

But there is only one Creator that told us how He did it. I vote for that guy.
Do you know how many thousands of years it took man to realize there are dimensions? The ones the Creator told us about. That same Creator that told us they exist, told us about their attributes. Science hasn't gotten this far yet, but dimensions can be torn, can burn up, can be rolled up like a scroll...

 

[alang1216]

But there is only one Creator that told us how He did it. I vote for that guy.

How did he do it? What did he reveal that was not already known?

Do you know how many thousands of years it took man to realize there are dimensions? The ones the Creator told us about. That same Creator that told us they exist, told us about their attributes. Science hasn't gotten this far yet, but dimensions can be torn, can burn up, can be rolled up like a scroll...

I'm pretty sure the 3 spatial and 1 time dimension were well known. What other dimensions did this Creator reveal and how do we confirm or use this information?

 

[Midnight FM]

Nope, Darwin done it.

Darwin just rediscovered something which people had been studying for thousands of years. If even native Americans and ancient Greeks understood this, and Darwin didn't catch onto it until centuries later, that's not very impressive. And it doesn't conflict with the idea of there being a creator, either:

Several cultures across the world seem to have a rudimentary understanding of the theory of evolution, seeing humans as descending from certain mammals. These include the Malagasy people, who see humans as descending from indri;[4] the Aboriginal Tasmanians, which see humans as descending from kangaroos;[5] and some Native American cultures, such as the Navajo, whose creation myth details humans changing from animalistic creatures.[6]

History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia

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The Greek philosopher Anaximander of Miletus argued that humans originated from fish.[7]
See also: Essentialism
Proposals that one type of animal, even humans, could descend from other types of animals, are known to go back to the pre-Socratic Greek philosophers. Anaximander of Miletus proposed that the first animals lived in water, during a wet phase of the Earth's past, and that the first land-dwelling ancestors of mankind must have been born in water, and only spent part of their life on land. He also argued that the first human of the form known today must have been the child of a different type of animal (probably a fish), because man needs prolonged nursing to live.[8][9][7] In the late nineteenth century, Anaximander was hailed as the "first Darwinist", but this characterization is no longer commonly agreed.[10] Anaximander's hypothesis could be considered "evolution" in a sense, although not a Darwinian one.[10]

 

[The Irish Ram]

How did he do it? What did he reveal that was not already known?

Everything that was subsequently found. Start with dimensions. Or that time is one of them. Hubble found that out and shared the news with Einstein. Hawking realized something scientifically that Maimonides gleaned from Genesis thousands of years ago. That there are at least 10 dimensions, 4 seen, 6 unseen. So, theirs that.
Then there is the fact that God sat above the circle of the earth. The earth is not linear. You won't fall off the edge. Took us a while to figure that out...

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Okay, now that God has been proven to exist. Will atheists continue to bury their heads in the sand and just deny it because they want to?

Petitio Principii

"God wouldn't let us believe in Him if He didn't exist."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They make a case for a Creator of the universe but I didn't see any connection made between that Creator and the God of the Bible.

Metastasizing Metaphysics

Theists' slippery and aggressive predatory logic creates a chain reaction, pulling into itself all kinds of superstition, fears, wishful thinking and ignorance.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Yes.

This distinction is important.

I have always believed that the Big Bang is one of the greatest arguments for the existence of God that we have.

Geeks Playing God

The "Big Bang" is as just as much a myth as the Bible is.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How did he do it? What did he reveal that was not already known?


I'm pretty sure the 3 spatial and 1 time dimension were well known. What other dimensions did this Creator reveal and how do we confirm or use this information?

Fairy Tales by Girlyman Nerds

The time "dimension" was well-known not to exist. Then astrogeeks played a practical joke on the science of reason.

 

[alang1216]

Everything that was subsequently found. Start with dimensions. Or that time is one of them. Hubble found that out and shared the news with Einstein.

They may not have had the same concept as we do but Neanderthals understood time just fine.

Hawking realized something scientifically that Maimonides gleaned from Genesis thousands of years ago. That there are at least 10 dimensions, 4 seen, 6 unseen. So, theirs that.

There's no direct observational evidence for extra dimensions. Kinda like God.

Then there is the fact that God sat above the circle of the earth. The earth is not linear. You won't fall off the edge. Took us a while to figure that out...

Some knew it from ancient times.

 

[citygator]

What is the summary for how they “proved” a creator or God? Also can you divide God by zero?

 

[The Irish Ram]

I'm pretty sure the 3 spatial and 1 time dimension were well known

By whom? Einstein was convinced there were only 3 dimensions until Hubble set him straight. That wasn't that long ago. Hawking determined there are 10 and possibly an untold number of dimensions.
Jesus was interdimensional. He could come and go between dimensions. God can tell the end from the beginning because time is a dimension and God can travel through it.

They may not have had the same concept as we do but Neanderthals understood time just fine.


There's no direct observational evidence for extra dimensions. Kinda like God.


Some knew it from ancient times.

You are referring to linear time. Neanderthals had 0 knowledge of the workings of the universe. We've barely scratched the surface.

 

[alang1216]

By whom? Einstein was convinced there were only 3 dimensions until Hubble set him straight. That wasn't that long ago. Hawking determined there are 10 and possibly an untold number of dimensions.
Jesus was interdimensional. He could come and go between dimensions. God can tell the end from the beginning because time is a dimension and God can travel through it.

You can define God any way you wish if you don't have to offer any evidence to support it.

You are referring to linear time. Neanderthals had 0 knowledge of the workings of the universe. We've barely scratched the surface.

The people who wrote the Bible had only slightly more knowledge.

 

[ReinyDays]

But there is only one Creator that told us how He did it. I vote for that guy.
Do you know how many thousands of years it took man to realize there are dimensions? The ones the Creator told us about. That same Creator that told us they exist, told us about their attributes. Science hasn't gotten this far yet, but dimensions can be torn, can burn up, can be rolled up like a scroll...

I think this is where this thread got hijacked ... and I mean no offense ...

I'm pretty sure the 3 spatial and 1 time dimension were well known. What other dimensions did this Creator reveal and how do we confirm or use this information?

These are issues addressed by theoretical physics ... a science and not mathematics ... understand that we have to get the math right to prove our physics theories, but the math isn't the science ...

It's for the philosopher to define what these dimensions are, and science is an important tool ... the math is already in place, indeed multi-dimensional spaces are introduced in second year high school algebra ... a unique solution can be had with one equation in one variable, two equations in two variables, three equations in three variables ad nauseam ...

Where I disagree with the video is the step between "math exists outside the human mind, therefore there must be something else creating these mathematical principles" ... and used Pythagorean theorem as an example ...

Let make three sticks ... one at 3 feet, one at 4 feet and one at 5 feet ... there's only one way these three sticks can be joined together into a triangle ... just one ... does Pythagorean demand this, or are we just describing what is ... what if there were no humans to join these sticks, would Pythagorean exist? ... would any of the trigonometric functions exist if no one's building triangles ...

"Love your brother as you love yourself" ... not math, not science ... it's a way of life ...

 

[The Irish Ram]

You can define God any way you wish if you don't have to offer any evidence to support it.

Man can't see the end from the beginning. That's why humans can't predict the future with 100% accuracy the way God can. 1/4 of the Bible is prophecy. You can't even tell me who is going to win the Kentucky Derby next year.

The people who wrote the Bible had only slightly more knowledge

Where did they get more knowledge than the masses?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Man can't see the end from the beginning. That's why humans can't predict the future with 100% accuracy. 1/4 of the Bible is prophecy. You can't even tell me who is going to win the Kentucky Derby next year.



Where did they get more knowledge than the masses?

The bible is not an accurate predictor either

A few prophecies happeend becsause they were self fulfilling and people MADE them happen

Overwhelmingly the bible fails to predict anything with accuracy