Glock

[Kagom]

Ruger 10/22 dude. The funnest little rifle there ever was.... $200

Great first firearm.

Maybe...

 

[glockmail]

I modify my own M1911A1's, a FAR superior weapon to a Glock, IMO, and I will agree with snowman .... if you don't have any education/experience as a gunsmith, let a gunsmith do it. It's little enough piece of mind for the price.

No question, the M1911 is the Standard for which all other pistols aspire to. However, a plastic gun like the Glock fullfills a need. Sort of like the sports car- pick up truck analogy.

 

[Ninja]

So Mr. P, you pick up that G19 yet?

 

[Mr. P]

So Mr. P, you pick up that G19 yet?

Not yet..still on the 'to do' list just not at the top .

 

[glockmail]

Better hurry before Hillary gets in.

 

[Gunny]

The way I see it, and always have, is, if you have the tools half a brain the library and now the net, there’s nothing you can’t do repair wise for the most part. I seldom pay anyone for a repair of any kind.

I’ll admit though getting older, I’m growing tired of fixing stuff.

No, it's not impossible with proper information. My point is really that unlike fixing the leaky faucet downstairs, if you DON'T know what you're doing with a firearm you can create a potentially dangerous situation.

I agree that if you have the tools, time and patience, the info is there.

 

[Mr. P]

No, it's not impossible with proper information. My point is really that unlike fixing the leaky faucet downstairs, if you DON'T know what you're doing with a firearm you can create a potentially dangerous situation.

I agree that if you have the tools, time and patience, the info is there.

The catch is the half a brain part.

 

[Ninja]

Better hurry before Hillary gets in.

Hitlery knows better.

She remembers the bitch slap America gave her hubby in 1994 in response to his completely useless ban on so-called "assault weapons."

 

[glockmail]

Hitlery knows better.

She remembers the bitch slap America gave her hubby in 1994 in response to his completely useless ban on so-called "assault weapons."

I'm sure she does, but Bill also got away with his ban. The confiscation of privately owned firearms is crucial to turning America into a socialist/ communist State, and thus it will always be as high as possible on the Liberal Agenda.

 

[AVIDARCHER]

Hitlery knows better.

She remembers the bitch slap America gave her hubby in 1994 in response to his completely useless ban on so-called "assault weapons."

I am new here and was just reading through some posts and saw this and I thought I would point you guys towards HR 1022, the verbage of the bill is almost exactly the same as the 94 ban...call your congressman now. I would post a link but since this is my first post it wont allow me to do so.

 

[Tarantulas]

When I first joined the Sheriff's Posse, there was an orientation class where they talked about the training required to qualify to carry a firearm. Almost everyone left afterward, but I hung around because I didn't have a pistol and wanted to ask about them. One of the instructors had brought in several, including Glocks and Sig Sauers, so I asked which was better. He had me pick up the Glock and hold it like I was going to shoot. Then he had me pick a spot on the wall, close my eyes, and try to aim the Glock at it. When I opened my eyes, the Glock was pointed way high, because the grip is at an unnatural angle (as 5stringJeff said). I tried the same thing with a Sig Sauer, and it was right on target. He had several Sigs there, and the P230 fit my rather small hand perfectly. So I got one of those for $500 on sale, which at that time was a bargain. I love it and I have never had a failure caused by the pistol (once a round failed to fire, but I just cycled the slide and kept shooting). I have seen Glocks have their extractors break off at the range. I have seen one that a guy put a rubber grip on, and it caused the magazine to fail to drop when the release was pushed. And once a Glock had something break on it, and it went full auto. That was exciting, but not something I want to happen when I'm shooting. That's why I will never buy a Glock.

I would never buy a revolver either. With my Sig, I can have one in the chamber and 13 in the magazine, and if I shoot all 14 it's a matter of click, snap, and I have a new 13-round magazine ready to go. With a revolver you have six shots, and then if you can manipulate your speed loader in the dark, you can get six more. If I'm in a firefight I want those extra rounds available to load at warp speed.

Sig Saur's motto is "Engineered Reliability" and their performance matches their motto.

 

[AVIDARCHER]

Anyone who spends enough time shooting will see any brand of gun do some kind of funky malfunction. Glock, HK, Sig...which is better??? Ford, Chevy, Dodge?? Which is better??/ All depends on who you ask. Truth be told, they are all very good guns. I own several of each and have never had a malfucntion of any kind. But, I have seen all of them malfunction with other shooters. ANY polymer framed handgun will fail to feed if you limpwrist it when you shoot. There are pros and cons to EVERY gun on the market. HK's magazine release is very easy to hit during normal fire, Glocks seem most suseptable to limpwristing, Sig's safety switch is too far for many shooters to reach comfortably. Semi-autos are very easy to re-load, revolvers WILL fire when you pull the trigger...this list could go on and on but my point is this. NO one gun is better than the next, get one that feels good in your hand, one that you will practice like hell with and one that will do the job that you intend it to do.

 

[Mr. P]

When I first joined the Sheriff's Posse, there was an orientation class where they talked about the training required to qualify to carry a firearm. Almost everyone left afterward, but I hung around because I didn't have a pistol and wanted to ask about them. One of the instructors had brought in several, including Glocks and Sig Sauers, so I asked which was better. He had me pick up the Glock and hold it like I was going to shoot. Then he had me pick a spot on the wall, close my eyes, and try to aim the Glock at it. When I opened my eyes, the Glock was pointed way high, because the grip is at an unnatural angle (as 5stringJeff said). I tried the same thing with a Sig Sauer, and it was right on target. He had several Sigs there, and the P230 fit my rather small hand perfectly. So I got one of those for $500 on sale, which at that time was a bargain. I love it and I have never had a failure caused by the pistol (once a round failed to fire, but I just cycled the slide and kept shooting). I have seen Glocks have their extractors break off at the range. I have seen one that a guy put a rubber grip on, and it caused the magazine to fail to drop when the release was pushed. And once a Glock had something break on it, and it went full auto. That was exciting, but not something I want to happen when I'm shooting. That's why I will never buy a Glock.

I would never buy a revolver either. With my Sig, I can have one in the chamber and 13 in the magazine, and if I shoot all 14 it's a matter of click, snap, and I have a new 13-round magazine ready to go. With a revolver you have six shots, and then if you can manipulate your speed loader in the dark, you can get six more. If I'm in a firefight I want those extra rounds available to load at warp speed.

Sig Saur's motto is "Engineered Reliability" and their performance matches their motto.

Well geeezzzzzz, I should start opening my eyes before I shoot I guess. T this close your eyes thing and point, is part of the method used to learn to ‘point and shoot’, it is not a reflection on the firearm. IMO

As far as the rest goes..anyone can modify a gun and screw it-up or use ammo that causes problems.

 

[Gunny]

When I first joined the Sheriff's Posse, there was an orientation class where they talked about the training required to qualify to carry a firearm. Almost everyone left afterward, but I hung around because I didn't have a pistol and wanted to ask about them. One of the instructors had brought in several, including Glocks and Sig Sauers, so I asked which was better. He had me pick up the Glock and hold it like I was going to shoot. Then he had me pick a spot on the wall, close my eyes, and try to aim the Glock at it. When I opened my eyes, the Glock was pointed way high, because the grip is at an unnatural angle (as 5stringJeff said). I tried the same thing with a Sig Sauer, and it was right on target. He had several Sigs there, and the P230 fit my rather small hand perfectly. So I got one of those for $500 on sale, which at that time was a bargain. I love it and I have never had a failure caused by the pistol (once a round failed to fire, but I just cycled the slide and kept shooting). I have seen Glocks have their extractors break off at the range. I have seen one that a guy put a rubber grip on, and it caused the magazine to fail to drop when the release was pushed. And once a Glock had something break on it, and it went full auto. That was exciting, but not something I want to happen when I'm shooting. That's why I will never buy a Glock.

I would never buy a revolver either. With my Sig, I can have one in the chamber and 13 in the magazine, and if I shoot all 14 it's a matter of click, snap, and I have a new 13-round magazine ready to go. With a revolver you have six shots, and then if you can manipulate your speed loader in the dark, you can get six more. If I'm in a firefight I want those extra rounds available to load at warp speed.

Sig Saur's motto is "Engineered Reliability" and their performance matches their motto.

The two best point of aim point of impact handguns IMO are the Colt Model 1873 Single Action Army, and the Browning Hi Power followed closely by the M1911A! model.

Sinble action autos have a lower profile than DA autos, which is crucial to point of aim point of impact sighting.

The Sig Sauer is an exellent choice fo a DA auto, and probably one of the best.

If you are trained to use a revolver, it can be operated just as fast as an autoloader. The key word being training.

And if you hit your target with your first shot, all those extra rounds are just gravy.

 

[Gunny]

Well geeezzzzzz, I should start opening my eyes before I shoot I guess. T this close your eyes thing and point, is part of the method used to learn to ‘point and shoot’, it is not a reflection on the firearm. IMO

As far as the rest goes..anyone can modify a gun and screw it-up or use ammo that causes problems.

Actually, it is a refelction in the firearm, as I previously stated. The lower the profile of the weapon, the closer to natural point of aim point of impact will be the strike of the round.

It's not something that cannot be easily overcome by a little training, and the difference it makes is like a swimmer shaving his entire body. When you're competing for those hundredths of a second at the world class level it matters. In the real world, technical and tactical proficiency with firearm is more important.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Internal or external extractor?

internal

The external extractors had too many problems. Plus who the hell needs a load chamber indicator?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

This is the only way to go when it comes to DAO pistols:

S&W M&P auto

It comes chambered in 9mm, .40 S&W, .357 SIG, and .45 ACP.

Low profile frame(feels like a polymer 1911), high cap mags(15 rnds in .40 S&W), stainless steel chassis imbedded in the frame. Makes a Glock look like the toy it is. This is the only polymer handgun that I have fired that is actually worth carrying.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=15711&isFirearm=Y