Global Warming Liars

[otto105]

Now it's my turn. Show me a paper that justifies the feedback from CO2 being 2 to 3 times greater than the GHG effect of CO2.

Instead of picking your nose take a shower.

How Feedback Loops Are Making the Climate Crisis Worse

 

[Stryder50]

Instead of picking your nose take a shower.

How Feedback Loops Are Making the Climate Crisis Worse

Your linked article/source is a biased, pro-ACC/AGW source. As the saying goes 'has a dog in the fight'.

The situation and math is rather simple.

At @410ppm of CO2 and what is about 1ppm of Methane, the ratio of both to total atmosphere composition, less water vapor, is about 1/2,500.

If we have, say, 2,500 pennies (that's fifty rolls of fifty each) all at 70 degrees F. bunched together in a pile, and we take ONE penny out of the pile and heat it up to 80 degrees F.; then drop it back into the middle of the other 2,499 pennies, it will NOT heat the whole pile to 80 degrees. Not even to one degree more (71). It will transfer some small amount of heat to a few that are in contact with it, but only a few, barely a degree or two, and that will quickly fade via the low temprature of the rest of the pennies absorbing portions of it as it dissipates.

 

[Crick]

Your linked article/source is a biased, pro-ACC/AGW source. As the saying goes 'has a dog in the fight'.

The situation and math is rather simple.

At @410ppm of CO2 and what is about 1ppm of Methane, the ratio of both to total atmosphere composition, less water vapor, is about 1/2,500.

If we have, say, 2,500 pennies (that's fifty rolls of fifty each) all at 70 degrees F. bunched together in a pile, and we take ONE penny out of the pile and heat it up to 80 degrees F.; then drop it back into the middle of the other 2,499 pennies, it will NOT heat the whole pile to 80 degrees. Not even to one degree more (71). It will transfer some small amount of heat to a few that are in contact with it, but only a few, barely a degree or two, and that will quickly fade via the low temprature of the rest of the pennies absorbing portions of it as it dissipates.

Let's take your one penny and attach a small heat pipe to it in an analog to the way the sun is constantly putting in energy that is being absorbed by that "penny" of CO2 and methane. Guess what? They all get warmer.

 

[ding]

Instead of picking your nose take a shower.

How Feedback Loops Are Making the Climate Crisis Worse

Thumbnail it for me.

 

[Stryder50]

Let's take your one penny and attach a small heat pipe to it in an analog to the way the sun is constantly putting in energy that is being absorbed by that "penny" of CO2 and methane. Guess what? They all get warmer.

To accurately replicate using your approach, that heat pipe gets attached to the other 2,499 pennies representing Nitrogen and Oxygen as they also receive heat from the Sun at same time. Which is why they would all heat up.

Typical nonsense~non-science from "Global Warming Liars".

 

[ChemEngineer]

Water vapor is THE dominant greenhouse gas. Carbon dioxide is trivial and follows temperature changes, it does not lead them.

 

[Crick]

Water vapor is THE dominant greenhouse gas. Carbon dioxide is trivial and follows temperature changes, it does not lead them.

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Where'd you ever get the gall to suggest you have an engineering degree?

1) That water vapor has a greater greenhouse effect than does CO2 does not mean that CO2 is irrelevant. Water vapor levels are not changing, CO2 levels are. The increase in CO2 and methane are the primary cause of the warming experienced since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.
2) VERY close to 100% of the CO2 added to the atmosphere since 1850 is of human origin. Your statement in red there is absolutely FALSE.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Water is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE at capturing heat than is CO2.
This is massively compounded by water's atmospheric concentration, at ~1.5% or 15,000 ppmv
compared to ~410 ppmv for scary carbon dioxide.

This is science, denied categorically by Al Gore and followers.

 

[mamooth]

The situation and math is rather simple.

You pooched it pretty hard.

At @410ppm of CO2 and what is about 1ppm of Methane, the ratio of both to total atmosphere composition, less water vapor, is about 1/2,500.

If we have, say, 2,500 pennies (that's fifty rolls of fifty each) all at 70 degrees F. bunched together in a pile, and we take ONE penny out of the pile and heat it up to 80 degrees F.; then drop it back into the middle of the other 2,499 pennies, it will NOT heat the whole pile to 80 degrees.

Let's improve your analogy.

Stack those pennies several trillion deep.

Now heat up one penny in 2500, but ... and here's the important part ... keep that penny heated up forever.

I guarantee, that's going to warm up the pennies a lot. It will take some time, but it's inevitable.

 

[mamooth]

Water is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE at capturing heat than is CO2.

Like most deniers, you're on the lower half of the IQ curve.

CO2 increases the amount of water vapor in the air.

A third-grader can grasp this, but you can't. You shouldn't be bothering the grownups.

 

[ReinyDays]

Instead of picking your nose take a shower.

How Feedback Loops Are Making the Climate Crisis Worse

This cite is materially wrong ... climate moves towards equilibrium ... ALWAYS ... when an artificial change is made to this equilibrium level, then the climate system moves towards that new equilibrium ... but never past it ... this artificial change is humans adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and cutting down of our great forests ...

The opposite of feedback ...

Climatologists have discarded the "runaway greenhouse effect" ... and this what you're advocating ... "5. Even more warming leads to even more water evaporating, starting the cycle over again. And again. And again." ... I'm sorry, once we reach equilibrium, the changes end ... this is energy, and energy follows the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ... your citation ignores this basic law of nature ...

 

[otto105]

This cite is materially wrong ... climate moves towards equilibrium ... ALWAYS ... when an artificial change is made to this equilibrium level, then the climate system moves towards that new equilibrium ... but never past it ... this artificial change is humans adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere and cutting down of our great forests ...

The opposite of feedback ...

Climatologists have discarded the "runaway greenhouse effect" ... and this what you're advocating ... "5. Even more warming leads to even more water evaporating, starting the cycle over again. And again. And again." ... I'm sorry, once we reach equilibrium, the changes end ... this is energy, and energy follows the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ... your citation ignores this basic law of nature ...

Does nature include all our pollution?

 

[ReinyDays]

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Water is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE at capturing heat than is CO2.
This is massively compounded by water's atmospheric concentration, at ~1.5% or 15,000 ppmv
compared to ~410 ppmv for scary carbon dioxide.

This is science, denied categorically by Al Gore and followers.

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More important to the climate system is water's evaporation ... The Great Lie is that radiative transfer is the all of it ... and that's completely wrong ... only a fool ignores convection ...

 

[otto105]

More important to the climate system is water's evaporation ... The Great Lie is that radiative transfer is the all of it ... and that's completely wrong ... only a fool ignores convection ...

Can you cite an scientific organization which supports your position in human caused AGW?


You seem so sure of it.

 

[ReinyDays]

Does nature include all our pollution?

What do you mean? ... rocket debris in decaying heliocentric orbits is pollution ... Earth's biosphere has no effect on the Sun gravity ...

Have you heard of the Urban Heat Island? ... there's no runaway heat catastrophe ... just al the extra temperature due to blacktop roads ... is that the pollution you mean? ... plastic patches in our oceans? ...

If you violate the laws of nature, just one of them ... you're wrong ...

 

[otto105]

What do you mean? ... rocket debris in decaying heliocentric orbits is pollution ... Earth's biosphere has no effect on the Sun gravity ...

Have you heard of the Urban Heat Island? ... there's no runaway heat catastrophe ... just al the extra temperature due to blacktop roads ... is that the pollution you mean? ... plastic patches in our oceans? ...

If you violate the laws of nature, just one of them ... you're wrong ...

You have never heard of the burning of fossil fuels?

 

[ReinyDays]

Can you cite an scientific organization which supports your position in human caused AGW?
You seem so sure of it.

Would you include the publishers of college level text books? ... John Wiley & Sons publishes Halliday/Resnick ... my claims above come from that source ...

 

[ReinyDays]

You have never heard of the burning of fossil fuels?

Yes ... that was the example I gave of human's changing the equilibrium state of the atmosphere ... by adding greenhouse gases ... my point is by adding so much carbon dioxide, temperatures will only go up a little ... and not "runaway" like you advocate ... we need only look back at Earth's history to see this has NEVER happened in the 4.6 billion years ... so it's NOT going to happen in the next 12 ... duh ...

 

[otto105]

Would you include the publishers of college level text books? ... John Wiley & Sons publishes Halliday/Resnick ... my claims above come from that source ...

Is there a scientific organization that you can cite which supports your view or not?


If it’s not, can you explain why.

 

[otto105]

Yes ... that was the example I gave of human's changing the equilibrium state of the atmosphere ... by adding greenhouse gases ... my point is by adding so much carbon dioxide, temperatures will only go up a little ... and not "runaway" like you advocate ...

Prove that it’s not happening.