Global Warming Actually Still Accelerating - no "lull"

[freedombecki]

Geez, Toadthepatsy, you posted the exact same thing in your post #58 and I answered you in post #62. Are you so completely braindead and forgetful that you can't even remember what you just posted the day before? Obviously, the answer is yes.

There was no proof of anthropogenic global warming in post #62. Try again?

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O. Next to all other airborne substances, that's 96% already here, and only a small amount of the other molecules come from anthropogenic sources.

What you showed was basically, a gross omission of the elephant sitting in the living room.

It's kind of like omitting a thousand years' worth of selected climate data to prove a crisis which does not in fact exist for the sole purpose of procuring a foundation grant for future employment. One day, someone will notice the factual shell game.

 

[RollingThunder]

There was no proof of anthropogenic global warming in post #62. Try again?

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O.

Are you just too stupid to understand what was just explained in the previous post. Try going back and re-reading the part titled "Denier argument - water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas".

It is the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 levels produced by mankind's activities that is warming the atmosphere and oceans and that increased warmth is what is causing an increase in water vapor levels which is amplifying the warming trend created by the increased CO2.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

 

[flacaltenn]

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

Bravo. What a show... Except for the mental midget conclusion about about CO2 "dwarfing" everything else..

Common knowledge pal that methane (pound for pound) and MANY of those compounds in your chart EXCEED the "warming power" of CO2 by orders of magnitude. So there is more to the story.. In fact water vapor is 60% of the radiative energy of Greenhouse and methane is 20 to 30 times MORE POWERFUL as CO2. You expect crappy science from skepticalscience.com every time.

LOL.... talk about "mental midgets", you really take the prize, fecalhead.....no, you poor imbecile, we expect crappy science from you every time. And lies and deliberate deceptions, of course.

Other than water vapor, which is a separate story, CO2 does, in fact, dwarf the effects of the other greenhouse gases because there is so much more of it in the atmosphere. A fact that you're either deliberately ignoring in your futile duplicitous attempts to deny reality, or that you just too dumb-butt ignorant to comprehend. Probably the former, since you mention that water vapor accounts for 60% of the greenhouse effect but, instead of telling us the percentage that methane accounts for, you just say that "methane (pound for pound)" is 30 times more powerful than CO2. Misleading by omission is still lying, fecalhead.

Carbon dioxide levels are currently a little over 400 parts per million while methane levels have risen (from 700ppb pre-industrial, also because of mankind's activities, BTW) to a current level of about 1800 parts per billion, or only 1.8 parts per million, and nitrous oxide is 324 parts per billion, or only .3 parts per million. Methane is indeed 30 or more times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2 but there is well over 200 times more CO2 in the atmosphere than methane, which is why the effect of CO2 does, in fact, dwarf the effects of methane, currently. Of course, if AGW warms the oceans enough to destabilize the methane clathrate deposits, that might change. The increased radiative forcing of current CO2 levels, in Watts per square meter (W/m2), is 1.85 while all of the methane in the atmosphere is only 0.51. (source)

As far as water vapor goes, it is clear to scientists that it is a feedback and not a forcing. Something that you are undoubtedly too dimwitted or brainwashed to comprehend.

Denier argument - Water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas
When skeptics use this argument, they are trying to imply that an increase in CO2 isn't a major problem. If CO2 isn't as powerful as water vapor, which there's already a lot of, adding a little more CO2 couldn't be that bad, right? What this argument misses is the fact that water vapor creates what scientists call a 'positive feedback loop' in the atmosphere — making any temperature changes larger than they would be otherwise. How does this work? The amount of water vapor in the atmosphere exists in direct relation to the temperature. If you increase the temperature, more water evaporates and becomes vapor, and vice versa. So when something else causes a temperature increase (such as extra CO2 from fossil fuels), more water evaporates. Then, since water vapor is a greenhouse gas, this additional water vapor causes the temperature to go up even further—a positive feedback.

How much does water vapor amplify CO2 warming? Studies show that water vapor feedback roughly doubles the amount of warming caused by CO2. So if there is a 1°C change caused by CO2, the water vapor will cause the temperature to go up another 1°C. When other feedback loops are included, the total warming from a potential 1°C change caused by CO2 is, in reality, as much as 3°C. The other factor to consider is that water is evaporated from the land and sea and falls as rain or snow all the time. Thus the amount held in the atmosphere as water vapour varies greatly in just hours and days as result of the prevailing weather in any location. So even though water vapour is the greatest greenhouse gas, it is relatively short-lived. On the other hand, CO2 is removed from the air by natural geological-scale processes and these take a long time to work. Consequently CO2 stays in our atmosphere for years and even centuries. A small additional amount has a much more long-term effect. So skeptics are right in saying that water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas. What they don't mention is that the water vapor feedback loop actually makes temperature changes caused by CO2 even bigger.

More goose droppings from skepticalscience.com.. There is NOT an agreement that water vapor "is a POSITIVE feedback".. It may be at night in the desert, but during the day clouds LOWER surface temperature quite impressively..

Those morons at your favorite blog wouldn't last 4 minutes in a tech debate...

 

[flacaltenn]

There was no proof of anthropogenic global warming in post #62. Try again?

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O. Next to all other airborne substances, that's 96% already here, and only a small amount of the other molecules come from anthropogenic sources.

What you showed was basically, a gross omission of the elephant sitting in the living room.

It's kind of like omitting a thousand years' worth of selected climate data to prove a crisis which does not in fact exist for the sole purpose of procuring a foundation grant for future employment. One day, someone will notice the factual shell game.

They do tend to lie expansively at skepticalscience.com.. Glad you're reading list is more open-minded and vetted...

 

[westwall]

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O.

Are you just too stupid to understand what was just explained in the previous post. Try going back and re-reading the part titled "Denier argument - water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas".

It is the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 levels produced by mankind's activities that is warming the atmosphere and oceans and that increased warmth is what is causing an increase in water vapor levels which is amplifying the warming trend created by the increased CO2.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

She knows more about the natural world than you and your fevered imagination ever will sonny boy. Her post is also absolutely correct which you would know if your head wasn't so far up the fraudsters collective asses.

 

[freedombecki]

OK. I'll give you a short introduction to the topic and then quote some climate scientists.

The Sun heats the Earth and the Earth ordinarily radiates enough of this heat energy back into outer space to stay in thermal equilibrium. Direct measurements show that the level of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere has increased by over 40% in the last 150 years. Isotopic analysis shows that the extra CO2 is coming from the burning of fossil fuels. The laws of physics and numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas that has the quality of absorbing and re-radiating the infrared radiation coming from the Earth's surface, thus keeping more of the sun's energy trapped in the Earth's atmosphere rather than being radiated away into space.

"One way of measuring the effect of CO2 is by using satellites to compare how much energy is arriving from the sun, and how much is leaving the Earth. What scientists have seen over the last few decades is a gradual decrease in the amount of energy being re-radiated back into space. In the same period, the amount of energy arriving from the sun has not changed very much at all. This is the first piece of evidence: more energy is remaining in the atmosphere. The final piece of evidence is ‘the smoking gun’, the proof that CO2 is causing the increases in temperature. CO2 traps energy at very specific wavelengths, while other greenhouse gases trap different wavelengths. In physics, these wavelengths can be measured using a technique called spectroscopy. Here’s an example:

The graph shows different wavelengths of energy, measured at the Earth’s surface. Among the spikes you can see energy being radiated back to Earth by ozone (O3), methane (CH4), and nitrous oxide (N20). But the spike for CO2 on the left dwarfs all the other greenhouse gases, and tells us something very important: most of the energy being trapped in the atmosphere corresponds exactly to the wavelength of energy captured by CO2. The investigation by science builds up empirical evidence that proves, step by step, that man-made carbon dioxide is causing the Earth to warm up."

Source - Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O.

Are you just too stupid to understand what was just explained in the previous post. Try going back and re-reading the part titled "Denier argument - water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas".

It is the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 levels produced by mankind's activities that is warming the atmosphere and oceans and that increased warmth is what is causing an increase in water vapor levels which is amplifying the warming trend created by the increased CO2.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

My, you had that little denial all ready and raring to go, and I must say, that little river in Egypt you mentioned? It is just a little rut in flood season compared to yours!

 

[skookerasbil]

The chief culprit in global warming is our planet's canopy of H2O.

Are you just too stupid to understand what was just explained in the previous post. Try going back and re-reading the part titled "Denier argument - water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas".

It is the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 levels produced by mankind's activities that is warming the atmosphere and oceans and that increased warmth is what is causing an increase in water vapor levels which is amplifying the warming trend created by the increased CO2.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

What you just showed is that you're a scientifically ignorant denier cult conspiracy theory nutjob.

My, you had that little denial all ready and raring to go, and I must say, that little river in Egypt you mentioned? It is just a little rut in flood season compared to yours!

But the nut job deniers are obviously winning s0n.........





Nobody cares about the science. Time to wake up and smell the maple nut crunch!!

 

[freedombecki]

In the fossil fuel industry sponsored cult of AGW denial, when real world observations and evidence completely support the scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming/climate change, you just brainlessly deny it anyway and cling to your debunked myths, dogmas and massive conspiracy theories, like the duped, deluded and very clueless retards that you are.

when real world observations and evidence completely support the scientific theory of anthropogenic global warming

You be sure to let us know when that finally happens.

Well, actually, ToadsterPatsy, "that" happened a long time ago, but, as usual, you are far too brainwashed, scientifically ignorant and tragically retarded to comprehend that fact.

Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years
NOAA
July 28, 2010
(GOVERNMENT PUBLICATION - not under copyright - free to reproduce)
The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming.”

Ten Indicators of a Warming World. (Credit: NOAA)

The report emphasizes that human society has developed for thousands of years under one climatic state, and now a new set of climatic conditions are taking shape. These conditions are consistently warmer, and some areas are likely to see more extreme events like severe drought, torrential rain and violent storms.

“Despite the variability caused by short-term changes, the analysis conducted for this report illustrates why we are so confident the world is warming,” said Peter Stott, Ph.D., contributor to the report and head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution of the United Kingdom Met Office Hadley Centre. “When we look at air temperature and other indicators of climate, we see highs and lows in the data from year to year because of natural variability. Understanding climate change requires looking at the longer-term record. When we follow decade-to-decade trends using multiple data sets and independent analyses from around the world, we see clear and unmistakable signs of a warming world.”

While year-to-year changes in temperature often reflect natural climatic variations such as El Niño/La Niña events, changes in average temperature from decade-to-decade reveal long-term trends such as global warming. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before. At the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record. In the 1990s, every year was warmer than the average of the previous decade. The 2000s were warmer still.

“The temperature increase of one degree Fahrenheit over the past 50 years may seem small, but it has already altered our planet,” said Deke Arndt, co-editor of the report and chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. “Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are more common. And, as the new report tells us, there is now evidence that over 90 percent of warming over the past 50 years has gone into our ocean.”

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters. People are searching for relevant and timely information about these changes to inform decision-making about virtually all aspects of their lives. To help keep citizens and businesses informed about climate, NOAA created the Climate Portal at Science & Services for Society | NOAA Climate.gov. The portal features a short video that summarizes some of the highlights of the State of the Climate Report.

State of the Climate is published as a special supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society and is edited by D.S. Arndt, M.O. Baringer, and M.R. Johnson. The full report and an online media packet with graphics is available online: BAMS State of the Climate.

Do you always post 3-year-old data based on data omitting hundreds of years of climate data?

Here's an update for you dated 2013: More data shows no global warming. | W.G.Peters It claims that more data shows there to be no global warming.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, the next decade is sure going to tell who is correct. The scientists, or our local fruitloops and pretend scientists. Right now, the scientists like Dr. James Hansen have a far better record of correct predictions than do our fruitloops.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't worry little sheep if the earth is a couple degrees warmer you'll be just fine.

 

[westwall]

Well, the next decade is sure going to tell who is correct. The scientists, or our local fruitloops and pretend scientists. Right now, the scientists like Dr. James Hansen have a far better record of correct predictions than do our fruitloops.

Sure thing there olfraud. Here is a excerpt from your dear Dr. Hansen....Probably the first truthful and accurate thing he's stated in decades.

"...The climate models often get criticised-and it is a valid criticism-that there is a lot of physics that we may not even have in the models, and that which we do have in may be inaccurate.
...The IPCC had prior estimates. The last report was that sea level this century would only go up a fraction of a metre. The new report is probably going to estimate more like a metre, but these are educated guesses."-James Hansen....

House of Commons - Uncorrected Evidence - HC 60

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, the next decade is sure going to tell who is correct. The scientists, or our local fruitloops and pretend scientists. Right now, the scientists like Dr. James Hansen have a far better record of correct predictions than do our fruitloops.

Sure thing there olfraud. Here is a excerpt from your dear Dr. Hansen....Probably the first truthful and accurate thing he's stated in decades.

"...The climate models often get criticised-and it is a valid criticism-that there is a lot of physics that we may not even have in the models, and that which we do have in may be inaccurate.
...The IPCC had prior estimates. The last report was that sea level this century would only go up a fraction of a metre. The new report is probably going to estimate more like a metre, but these are educated guesses."-James Hansen....

House of Commons - Uncorrected Evidence - HC 60

I noticed in that transcript that Doc Hansen and Climate Cowboys are now only copping to the Temp # that is the "limit of tolerability".. This +2 degC number where we all are doomed.

But NO ONE recently has been telling ANYONE when they expect that to be..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"See, the tree rings clearly demonstrate the AGW inherent in the system. Notice how the rings under my pinkie seem to be screaming, 'eeekkk, it's hot! and Carbony!!"

 

[westwall]

Well, the next decade is sure going to tell who is correct. The scientists, or our local fruitloops and pretend scientists. Right now, the scientists like Dr. James Hansen have a far better record of correct predictions than do our fruitloops.

Sure thing there olfraud. Here is a excerpt from your dear Dr. Hansen....Probably the first truthful and accurate thing he's stated in decades.

"...The climate models often get criticised-and it is a valid criticism-that there is a lot of physics that we may not even have in the models, and that which we do have in may be inaccurate.
...The IPCC had prior estimates. The last report was that sea level this century would only go up a fraction of a metre. The new report is probably going to estimate more like a metre, but these are educated guesses."-James Hansen....

House of Commons - Uncorrected Evidence - HC 60

I noticed in that transcript that Doc Hansen and Climate Cowboys are now only copping to the Temp # that is the "limit of tolerability".. This +2 degC number where we all are doomed.

But NO ONE recently has been telling ANYONE when they expect that to be..

Exactly. Other than the brothers ten here, the rest of the climate mafia is in full backpedal from their former "settled science" BS. They at least have some semblance of an intellect and can see quite clearly that cold is coming and it will be brutal.

 

[gslack]

The fossil fuel industry's propaganda machine continues to grind out new pseudo-science and misinformation. Witness the recent spurt of bogus articles claiming something like "climate scientists are puzzled by halt in global warming for last 15 years". The Earth has continued to retain more of the sun's energy than it can radiate away into space due to the increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere that mankind has created, primarily through the burning of fossil fuels, but because the rise in surface temperatures has slowed down compared to the three previous decades of very rapid increases in surface temperatures, many people has misinterpreted that to mean that global warming has paused or is in a "lull". This is not true. The excess heat energy retained by the excess CO2 has been transferring itself to the ocean depths, but it will eventually return to the surface and radically increase surface temperatures once again in the next decade. Meanwhile, global warming has continued to manifest itself in the melting of the Arctic ice cap, Greenland, West Antarctica and the world's glaciers, as well as the many other symptoms, like the changing of seasonal timing and increases in extreme weather events.

Global warming is actually still accelerating and competent climate scientists are not puzzled about what is happening. Here's a good explanation of just what is really happening.

In Hot Water: Global Warming Has Accelerated In Past 15 Years, New Study Of Oceans Confirms
ClimateProgress
By Dana Nuccitelli
Mar 25, 2013
A new study of ocean warming has just been published in Geophysical Research Letters by Balmaseda, Trenberth, and Källén (2013). There are several important conclusions which can be drawn from this paper.
* Completely contrary to the popular contrarian myth, global warming has accelerated, with more overall global warming in the past 15 years than the prior 15 years. This is because about 90% of overall global warming goes into heating the oceans, and the oceans have been warming dramatically.
* As suspected, much of the ‘missing heat’ Kevin Trenberth previously talked about has been found in the deep oceans. Consistent with the results of Nuccitelli et al. (2012), this study finds that 30% of the ocean warming over the past decade has occurred in the deeper oceans below 700 meters, which they note is unprecedented over at least the past half century.
* Some recent studies have concluded based on the slowed global surface warming over the past decade that the sensitivity of the climate to the increased greenhouse effect is somewhat lower than the IPCC best estimate. Those studies are fundamentally flawed because they do not account for the warming of the deep oceans.
* The slowed surface air warming over the past decade has lulled many people into a false and unwarranted sense of security.

Figure 1: Ocean Heat Content from 0 to 300 meters (grey), 700 m (blue), and total depth (violet) from ORAS4, as represented by its 5 ensemble members.


(continued on website linked in article headline)

Oh he found the missing heat now? LOL, he couldn't find it for years now he's got it in the place he shoulda looked first??

LOL, and it's from known lefty PR site thinkprogress.org...

Freaking spam artist.. It's a an IPCC fluff piece and nothing more, all the links point tothe same thinkrogress site. Using your own claims as evidence, sounds like the typical IPCC tactic..

 

[Abraham3]

And if he has children?

The work of Foster and Rahmstorf (current hiatus due to vulcanism and ENSO), Balmaseda, Trenberth and Kallen (ocean warming below 700 meters) and Shakun and Marcott (current warming rate unprecedented in 22,000 years) are all unchallenged. No one - certainly none of the more popular anthropogenic global warming (AGW) deniers - have presented ANY viable evidence to the contrary. Add this to the rather significant point that no denier has presented a working theory to explain the warming of the last 150 years and no theory as to why greenhouse warming itself should have ceased for the last 15 years and it becomes quite obvious that the deniers do not have a case.

If all you have to bring to the argument is to tell us that peer-reviewed science is fantasy hand-waving, you might as well stay at home.

 

[Abraham3]

Oh he found the missing heat now? LOL, he couldn't find it for years now he's got it in the place he shoulda looked first??

LOL, and it's from known lefty PR site thinkprogress.org...

Freaking spam artist.. It's a an IPCC fluff piece and nothing more, all the links point tothe same thinkrogress site. Using your own claims as evidence, sounds like the typical IPCC tactic..

http//people.oregonstate.edu/~schmita2/ATS421-521/2013/papers/balmaseda13grl_inpress.pdf

Is that better? The paper will be appearing in the American Geophysical Review. Ever read it?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And if he has children?

The work of Foster and Rahmstorf (current hiatus due to vulcanism and ENSO), Balmaseda, Trenberth and Kallen (ocean warming below 700 meters) and Shakun and Marcott (current warming rate unprecedented in 22,000 years) are all unchallenged. No one - certainly none of the more popular anthropogenic global warming (AGW) deniers - have presented ANY viable evidence to the contrary. Add this to the rather significant point that no denier has presented a working theory to explain the warming of the last 150 years and no theory as to why greenhouse warming itself should have ceased for the last 15 years and it becomes quite obvious that the deniers do not have a case.

If all you have to bring to the argument is to tell us that peer-reviewed science is fantasy hand-waving, you might as well stay at home.

Add this to the rather significant point that no denier has presented a working theory to explain the warming of the last 150 years

I left the heating pad on, sorry.

and no theory as to why greenhouse warming itself should have ceased for the last 15 years and it becomes quite obvious that the deniers do not have a case.

We kept pumping more and more CO2 into the atmosphere over the last 15 years and the warming ceased? Impossible! I've got some tree rings that will prove it's warming more and more every year. Why do you hate science?

 

[Abraham3]

Sure thing there olfraud. Here is a excerpt from your dear Dr. Hansen....Probably the first truthful and accurate thing he's stated in decades.

"...The climate models often get criticised-and it is a valid criticism-that there is a lot of physics that we may not even have in the models, and that which we do have in may be inaccurate.
...The IPCC had prior estimates. The last report was that sea level this century would only go up a fraction of a metre. The new report is probably going to estimate more like a metre, but these are educated guesses."-James Hansen....

Two points:
1) You seem to be unaware (and that ignorance would seem to be from infamiliarity) that the core purpose of science is to improve science. The reason for peer review, for challenging theories, for testing and retesting, it to constantly move closer to the truth. It is not to preserve and push dogma.
2) Hansen is not backing off any of his prior warnings, he is telling us that the projections of the world's climate scientists are getting worse, not better.

 

[Abraham3]

Good of you to admit that you have no explanation (no non-AGW explanation) for the last 150 year's warming.

And if he has children?
We kept pumping more and more CO2 into the atmosphere over the last 15 years and the warming ceased? Impossible! I've got some tree rings that will prove it's warming more and more every year. Why do you hate science?

What happened here between 1941 and 1979?

http//i50.tinypic.com/7130ua.jpg

(A better place to view this would be http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly_1880-2012.svg (I have removed the colon to keep the system from recognizing it as a URL). The graphic in question is the very first in the Wikipedia article on Global Warming.)

Being a newbie, I probably can't post an image. The above is an image of global temperatures from 1880 to the present. I trust you've seen it before.

In 1941, temperatures began dropping - it didn't cease warming, it got colder. And this lasted for over 35 years. Did it spell the end of global warming? Sorry, no.

The current hiatus is well within the already demonstrated normal variation. And to a greater degree than 41-79, the hiatus is explained. See Foster and Rahmstorf 2012.