Global Temps are dropping fast

[Sinatra]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_09.jpg

 

[Old Rocks]

After November's 0.50, December 'only' has a positive anolomy of 0.28.

Note on the graph, if you run that point for December 2009 across to the left, before 1998, only the very highest points equal it.

And you still claim that that represents cooling. Boy, do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!

 

[Article 15]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_09.jpg

I'm not weather expert or a global warming guy but I'm pretty sure that graphs shows an overall upward trend.

 

[Modbert]

I'm not weather expert or a global warming guy but I'm pretty sure that graphs shows an overall upward trend.

I thought I was the only one who saw that.

 

[Sinatra]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_09.jpg

I'm not weather expert or a global warming guy but I'm pretty sure that graphs shows an overall upward trend.

Remove the volcano-induced downward trend.

Remove the extra strong El-Nino 1998 upward trend.

What you are left with is a stable global temperature history encompassing the roughly 30-year satellite data - of which the beginning of started off with the globe still coming out of the "impending Ice Age" years of the 1970s.

And of course, the most recent temps do indeed show a world cooling down fast.

Let us hope the cooling does not continue for too long.

Frankly, the world could use a bit of a warm up....

 

[Old Rocks]

Look at the red line from 2003 to 2007. Now if you run that line to the left, again, before 1998, all but the highest points are below that line. Now in 2008, we had a strong and persistant La Nina, and a long solar minimum.

Then 2009 starts out slow, then as the beginnings of an El Nino show up, it takes off. I think that the next red line is going to look like that slope of the line between 1999 and 2002.

Another point, look at the lowest recent point of the red line at 2008. It is above a large majority of the points prior to 1998. And in fact, is above any point reached by the red line until 1997.

Yet you say that represents cooling.

Dumbass!

 

[Old Rocks]

Remove the La Nina line for 2008. Now if you do that, and all the things that you suggested, you get a smoother line with a strong upward trend.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Are people even bothering to really read that graph?

Hint: +1 degree Celsius is WAY up on top, far away from the red line and far, far away from any trend shown there.

The variance is negligible, within 0.4 degrees C either way, when the volcano and the El Nino are removed. The El Nino event pushed us SLIGHTLY OVER a 1 degree Fahrenheit increase, as you can see when you convert Celsius to Fahrenheit.

Where's the 1 degree of global warming we were promised. This graph sure doesn't show anything like that or even trending anywhere near it.

 

[edthecynic]

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_09.jpg

I'm not weather expert or a global warming guy but I'm pretty sure that graphs shows an overall upward trend.

Of course it does, but CON$ live in Bizarro Land.

Here's the satellite data with the trend line included.

 

[Sinatra]

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http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Dec_09.jpg

 

[Old Rocks]

Both graphs show a strong upward trend.

Now look at that 25 month running average on the UAH graph. Until about 2003, it goes up and down like a wave. Then it levels off, at almost exactly the same level as the mean through the very hottest year ever recorded.

Now look at the dip at the end, 2008. And where the temps are for 2009. When the running average extends out to 2009, the dip is going to mostly disappear. As the dip disappeared for the strong dip in 2004.

Sinatra, you own chart proves that you are incapable of interpreting even the simplest graphs.

 

[Sinatra]

 

[Sinatra]

 

[edthecynic]

Well, there you go again, using the chart cooked by Christy and Spencer at UAH where they used the opposite sign to correct for Diurnal Satellite Drift.
Don't you CON$ ever get tired of lying????

Here is a chart with the correct temp data.

 

[Diuretic]

Oh good, I'm glad it's not really hot, just feels like it:

Australia experienced its hottest decade on record from 2000 to 2009 due to global warming, the nation's bureau of meteorology said today.

The average temperature in Australia over the past 10 years was 0.48 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, the Bureau of Meteorology said in its annual climate statement.

And 2010 is forecast to be even hotter, with temperatures likely to be between 0.5 and 1 degrees above average.

"We're getting these increasingly warm temperatures, not just for Australia but globally. Climate change, global warming is clearly continuing," said bureau climatologist David Jones.

"We're in the latter stages of an El Nino event in the Pacific Ocean and what that means for Australian and global temperatures is that 2010 is likely to be another very warm year -- perhaps even the warmest on record."

Hottest decade on record: official

 

[Old Rocks]

There is a poster here, Jane Eliza, I think, that is actually claiming that it is cooling in Australia.

 

[Old Rocks]

Still pushing this lie?



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What the science says...
1970's ice age predictions were predominantly media based with the majority of scientific papers predicting warming.


The notion that the 1970s scientific consensus was for impending global cooling is incorrect. In actuality, there were significantly more papers in the 1970s predicting warming than cooling.


Scientific studies in the 1970's re global cooling
Most predictions of an impending ice age came from the popular press (eg - Newsweek, NY Times, National Geographic, Time Magazine). As far as peer reviewed scientific papers in the 1970s, very few papers (7 in total) predicted global cooling. Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming due to CO2. More on 1970s science...

 

[Old Rocks]

Logicalscience: November 2006

From the Washington Post:


Hofmeister, president of Shell Oil Co., said in a recent speech at the National Press Club. "From Shell's point of view, the debate is over. When 98 percent of scientists agree, who is Shell to say, 'Let's debate the science'?"
And amazingly Exxon Mobil has finally begun the process of accepting the possibility that climate change might be real:

Exxon Mobil Corp., the highest-profile corporate skeptic about global warming, said in September that it was considering ending its funding of a think tank that has sought to cast doubts on climate change. And on Nov. 2, the company announced that it will contribute more than $1.25 million to a European Union study on how to store carbon dioxide in natural gas fields in the Norwegian North Sea, Algeria and Germany.
It's a small step, but better than the all out war they've previously funded. Is it good faith or just an inevitable result of the dethroning of the Exxon backed "climate change is a hoax" Senator Inhofe? Only time will tell.

 

[xotoxi]

Global Temps are dropping fast

The title of this thread coupled with the above graph...this thread should be in the humor forum!!!

 

[Diuretic]

There is a poster here, Jane Eliza, I think, that is actually claiming that it is cooling in Australia.

And that's where it gets complex. Some folks here - wisely I think - are starting to re-think the whole idea of our "seasons". The European model works in Tasmania but nowhere else. Sorry, getting off track but this might be of interest:

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