Glacial retreat photos

[DiveCon]

Dive, Elivs, Kitten....

Please explain why these 34 glaciers melted...

http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/files/norock/repeatphoto/Pairs/RepeatPhoto_pairs_Fullset_compr.pdf

because ice melts when the temp is over 32° F
DUH

So the earth is warming then.

yeah, stupid, it warms and cools in cycles, just as it has always done

 

[Chris]

because ice melts when the temp is over 32° F
DUH

So the earth is warming then.

yeah, stupid, it warms and cools in cycles, just as it has always done

Why is it warming?

 

[del]

So the earth is warming then.

yeah, stupid, it warms and cools in cycles, just as it has always done

Why is it warming?

because it's not cooling

duh

 

[DiveCon]

So the earth is warming then.

yeah, stupid, it warms and cools in cycles, just as it has always done

Why is it warming?

natural cycles
not a damn thing you can do about it

 

[Chris]

Natural cycles?

Caused by what?

 

[DiveCon]

Natural cycles?

Caused by what?

by nature?
what part of that cant you understand?

 

[Chris]

Natural cycles?

Caused by what?

by nature?
what part of that cant you understand?

What is the mechanism?

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[DiveCon]

natural cycles?

Caused by what?

by nature?
What part of that cant you understand?

what is the mechanism?

What part of that don't you understand?

nature

 

[Chris]

by nature?
What part of that cant you understand?

what is the mechanism?

What part of that don't you understand?

nature

What part of nature?

 

[DiveCon]

what is the mechanism?

What part of that don't you understand?

nature

What part of nature?

please get to the point
i'm tired of your moronic games

 

[Chris]

The point is you can't tell me the mechanism behind the warming.

 

[DiveCon]

The point is you can't tell me the mechanism behind the warming.

who gives a ****
its a natural cycle

 

[Old Rocks]

The point is you can't tell me the mechanism behind the warming.

who gives a ****
its a natural cycle

It is most certainly not a natural cycle. It is the nearly 40% increase in CO2 as well as the other GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere.

Without GHGs in the atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen ball. The temperature at even the equator would average well below the freezing point of water. It is the GHGs, primarily CO2 that give us our temperate climate. As we can see by the Ice Age cycles, when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is at about 180 ppm, we have an Ice Age. When it is 280 ppm, we have an interglacial period such as we are enjoying at present.

However, when you rapidly increase GHGs, you get an adrupt climate change, a change that creates havoc with the existing life on Earth. We see that in the geologic record at the P-T extinction, and at the PETM. What the mechanism is that creates the GHGs is irrelevant, the results are a matter of physics. In the prior cases, the mechanism was trapp volcanics. Today, the mechansim is the actions of a species that believes itself to be intelligent. At what point the process becomes irreversible, we, as yet have no idea. Given the present attitude in this nation, and others, I am sure we will find out.

 

[DiveCon]

The point is you can't tell me the mechanism behind the warming.

who gives a ****
its a natural cycle

It is most certainly not a natural cycle. It is the nearly 40% increase in CO2 as well as the other GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere.

Without GHGs in the atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen ball. The temperature at even the equator would average well below the freezing point of water. It is the GHGs, primarily CO2 that give us our temperate climate. As we can see by the Ice Age cycles, when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is at about 180 ppm, we have an Ice Age. When it is 280 ppm, we have an interglacial period such as we are enjoying at present.

However, when you rapidly increase GHGs, you get an adrupt climate change, a change that creates havoc with the existing life on Earth. We see that in the geologic record at the P-T extinction, and at the PETM. What the mechanism is that creates the GHGs is irrelevant, the results are a matter of physics. In the prior cases, the mechanism was trapp volcanics. Today, the mechansim is the actions of a species that believes itself to be intelligent. At what point the process becomes irreversible, we, as yet have no idea. Given the present attitude in this nation, and others, I am sure we will find out.

yet global temps are in a cooling cycle while CO2 is still rising
explain that

 

[Chris]

who gives a ****
its a natural cycle

It is most certainly not a natural cycle. It is the nearly 40% increase in CO2 as well as the other GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere.

Without GHGs in the atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen ball. The temperature at even the equator would average well below the freezing point of water. It is the GHGs, primarily CO2 that give us our temperate climate. As we can see by the Ice Age cycles, when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is at about 180 ppm, we have an Ice Age. When it is 280 ppm, we have an interglacial period such as we are enjoying at present.

However, when you rapidly increase GHGs, you get an adrupt climate change, a change that creates havoc with the existing life on Earth. We see that in the geologic record at the P-T extinction, and at the PETM. What the mechanism is that creates the GHGs is irrelevant, the results are a matter of physics. In the prior cases, the mechanism was trapp volcanics. Today, the mechansim is the actions of a species that believes itself to be intelligent. At what point the process becomes irreversible, we, as yet have no idea. Given the present attitude in this nation, and others, I am sure we will find out.

yet global temps are in a cooling cycle while CO2 is still rising
explain that

We are at the bottom of the solar cycle, but temps are still rising long term.

It was 74 degrees here today in the dead of winter.

 

[DiveCon]

It is most certainly not a natural cycle. It is the nearly 40% increase in CO2 as well as the other GHGs that we have put into the atmosphere.

Without GHGs in the atmosphere, the Earth would be a frozen ball. The temperature at even the equator would average well below the freezing point of water. It is the GHGs, primarily CO2 that give us our temperate climate. As we can see by the Ice Age cycles, when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is at about 180 ppm, we have an Ice Age. When it is 280 ppm, we have an interglacial period such as we are enjoying at present.

However, when you rapidly increase GHGs, you get an adrupt climate change, a change that creates havoc with the existing life on Earth. We see that in the geologic record at the P-T extinction, and at the PETM. What the mechanism is that creates the GHGs is irrelevant, the results are a matter of physics. In the prior cases, the mechanism was trapp volcanics. Today, the mechansim is the actions of a species that believes itself to be intelligent. At what point the process becomes irreversible, we, as yet have no idea. Given the present attitude in this nation, and others, I am sure we will find out.

yet global temps are in a cooling cycle while CO2 is still rising
explain that

We are at the bottom of the solar cycle, but temps are still rising long term.

It was 74 degrees here today in the dead of winter.

actually, its not the "dead of winter" in VA
LOL you are on the DOWN side of it

and remember, thats anecdotal
the weather isn't climate

 

[Chris]

 

[DiveCon]

yeah, notice the end is pointing DOWN
that says the trend is towards COOLER

 

[Chris]

yeah, notice the end is pointing DOWN
that says the trend is towards COOLER

That's because we are in the down part of the Sun's cycle.

In five years we will be at the top again.

Meanwhile we continue to increase the level of CO2.

Soon we will have doubled the level of CO2.

 

[del]

yeah, notice the end is pointing DOWN
that says the trend is towards COOLER

That's because we are in the down part of the Sun's cycle.

In five years we will be at the top again.

Meanwhile we continue to increase the level of CO2.

Soon we will have doubled the level of CO2.

awesome!
do we get a prize?