Getting 911 correct - simple question

[Skylar]

This is the part I never understood about the 'Truthers' (oh, the irony). Why not simply crash the plane?

They clearly had no problem crashing planes into buildings. So why the absurdly complicated conspiracy theory that would require an absurdly insane cover up involving everyone from the fire department to the pentagon to the ASCE to the FAA to the NTSB to the medical examiners to pretty much everyone stuck in traffic on I-10 that morning? With radar records to be forged, autopsies to be faked, a 757 to be disposed of, dozens of passengers and crew to be executed, dozens and dozens of witnesses to plant, plane parts to sneak in seconds after the impact, first responders to pay off, black boxes to forge (they found both), engineering reports to fake, NTSB investigations to fake, and on, and on, and on.

Or.....just crash the plane into the Pentagon.

The conspiracy version is just an awful, awful explanation. It doesn't make any sense. Its stupidly complicated and outlandishly elaborate. And its contradicted by overwhelming evidence.

 

[PredFan]

This is the part I never understood about the 'Truthers' (oh, the irony). Why not simply crash the plane?

They clearly had no problem crashing planes into buildings. So why the absurdly complicated conspiracy theory that would require an absurdly insane cover up involving everyone from the fire department to the pentagon to the ASCE to the FAA to the NTSB to the medical examiners to pretty much everyone stuck in traffic on I-10 that morning? With radar records to be forged, autopsies to be faked, a 757 to be disposed of, dozens of passengers and crew to be executed, dozens and dozens of witnesses to plant, plane parts to sneak in seconds after the impact, first responders to pay off, black boxes to forge (they found both), engineering reports to fake, NTSB investigations to fake, and on, and on, and on.

Or.....just crash the plane into the Pentagon.

The conspiracy version is just an awful, awful explanation. It doesn't make any sense. Its stupidly complicated and outlandishly elaborate. And its contradicted by overwhelming evidence.

The Truthers never really are able to provide a workable theory. They simply spend all their time poking holes in the official version.

Frankly, if the official version covered all the bases, dotted all the “I”s and crossed all the “t”s THEN I’d be suspicious myself. The fact that they cant answer some questions reflects more of real life and is exactly what one would expect of a completely honest investigation and assessment.

 

[Skylar]

An amateur pilot has a target the size of the Pentagon
I could hit it with ten minutes practice

Holes do not match the size of the object that hit it. There is a blow out effect

Yet there was a computer and paper next to the hole that wasn't even disturbed. The fact that they have refused to show actual footage of the plane actually hitting the Pentagon when it is surrounded by cameras or released the cameras that were confiscated from businesses surrounding the Pentagon that would corroborate the official story speaks volumes to me.

Imagination
I love it when truthers make up their own proof

Nobody has footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. They do have data tracking the plane from takeoff to impact

But yet they couldn't intercept the plane? Show me the footage of the plane.......where are the wings?

You know, someone brought it up further up the thread. When the attack first happened, they were tracking and landing EVERY PLANE OVER US AIRSPACE. How do I know this? Because all the applicants who were supposed to go to boot camp that day were sent back home, as were all the other applicants that came into the MEPS. We had to wait for the recruiters to come and pick their people up, and then we were sent home as well.

By the way................ever heard of this nifty little thing called radar and IFF? Hint: It's how they track aircraft over the US and keep track of where they are.

Now.............my question is.................if they tracked that aircraft from where it took off to the Pentagon, how did the terrorists get a false track generated in the airport towers?

As far as going and shooting the plane down? I'm sure they thought of that, but it would look REALLY BAD for a US military aircraft to shoot down a plane of civilians just to take out a couple of terrorists.

Besides.....................there's also the little problem of debris falling over populated areas.

But yet when Payne Stewart's plane lost cabin pressure and they lost contact with the plane? In 15 fighter jets were sent and escorted the plane to prevent it from crashing into a populated area.

Payne Stewart's plane was traveling in a straight line in empty airspace with its transponder on. There was never a time that its location wasn't known. And it still took 78 minutes for the intercept with the intercept planes *already in the air*.

Flight 77 was traveling in a shifting, looping course in one of the most heavily trafficked air corridors in the world with its transponder off.

That means between airports, it was ridiculously hard to track. It was changing course. It looped back on its own course, appearing to be returning to the airport it took off from. There were long stretches where they didn't know where flight 77 was. From the time the plane went off course to the time it impacted the pentagon was 47 minutes.

With flight 77 having a more difficult course to track, traveling in heavily trafficked air corridors with its transponder off and slightly more than HALF the time....why would the only explanation for why Flight 77 wasn't intercepted to be a ludicrously complicated conspiracy?

Its overwhelmingly *probable* that they wouldn't have intercepted in time with the Payne Stewart intercept being used as our example.

 

[Skylar]

LOL

Ripped to shreds

Then there should be an ungodly amount of aluminum "shreds" surrounding the scene if that was the case. I, on the other hand, beg to differ...... because the way that plane wings are attached, it would have sheared them off in two distinct pieces. They are lightweight and due to the alleged speed of the plane hitting the Pentagon? It would have caused them to break off the plane like a twig....it's called "physics".

Wow, you could pick up those little pieces by hand..........

Of course there are going to be little pieces. Ever seen how many pieces a NASCAR racecar dissolves into when it hits the wall? And that is only at around 200 mph. The plane was estimated to impact at 500 mph.

And yes, scientists can tell how fast something hits the ground, based on how it hit and what kind of damage was done.

What confuses me is that landing gear is allegedly found in the wreckage all bent......so the terrorist pilot had a reflex and put down landing gear but yet no landscape interruption shows torn up grass? Freefall of a plane may reach 500 plus MPH but not a 270 degree corkscrew turn that has to correct it's self to fly mere inches off the ground cannot do that. I am going to go with the pilots for 9/11 truth that had to land planes. The descension of a plane starts a good thirty minutes before it ever reaches the airport landing strip. There is no way that a plane can handle the change in air pressure and maintain a steady course at that speed........which is why experienced pilots are speaking out.

Why would they have to have put the landing gear down for it to be bent? The landing gear, like the rest of the plane, hit the ground going 500 miles an hour. Why wouldn't it be bent?

Your conspiracy explanation is, again, just stupid. Its an awful, awful explanation that doesn't make sense, is based on foolish assumptions backed by nothing, and ignores overwhelming evidence contradicting it.

No thank you.

 

[Skylar]

What do the family and friends of those murdered think of you assholes spouting this crap, I wonder?

Probably the same as the mothers mourning the loss of their murdered 1st grade aged children at Sandy Hook elementary that the conspiracy theorists insisted never existed.

 

[PredFan]

Then there should be an ungodly amount of aluminum "shreds" surrounding the scene if that was the case. I, on the other hand, beg to differ...... because the way that plane wings are attached, it would have sheared them off in two distinct pieces. They are lightweight and due to the alleged speed of the plane hitting the Pentagon? It would have caused them to break off the plane like a twig....it's called "physics".

Wow, you could pick up those little pieces by hand..........

Of course there are going to be little pieces. Ever seen how many pieces a NASCAR racecar dissolves into when it hits the wall? And that is only at around 200 mph. The plane was estimated to impact at 500 mph.

And yes, scientists can tell how fast something hits the ground, based on how it hit and what kind of damage was done.

What confuses me is that landing gear is allegedly found in the wreckage all bent......so the terrorist pilot had a reflex and put down landing gear but yet no landscape interruption shows torn up grass? Freefall of a plane may reach 500 plus MPH but not a 270 degree corkscrew turn that has to correct it's self to fly mere inches off the ground cannot do that. I am going to go with the pilots for 9/11 truth that had to land planes. The descension of a plane starts a good thirty minutes before it ever reaches the airport landing strip. There is no way that a plane can handle the change in air pressure and maintain a steady course at that speed........which is why experienced pilots are speaking out.

Why would they have to have put the landing gear down for it to be bent? The landing gear, like the rest of the plan, hit the ground going 500 miles an hour. Why wouldn't it be bent?

Your conspiracy explanation is, again, just stupid. Its an awful, awful explanation that doesn't make sense, is based on foolish assumptions backed by nothing, and ignores overwhelming evidence contradicting it.

No thank you.

They criticise the official version because there are holes in it but their version of events looks like Swiss Cheese in comparison.

 

[Skylar]

Wow, you could pick up those little pieces by hand..........

Of course there are going to be little pieces. Ever seen how many pieces a NASCAR racecar dissolves into when it hits the wall? And that is only at around 200 mph. The plane was estimated to impact at 500 mph.

And yes, scientists can tell how fast something hits the ground, based on how it hit and what kind of damage was done.

What confuses me is that landing gear is allegedly found in the wreckage all bent......so the terrorist pilot had a reflex and put down landing gear but yet no landscape interruption shows torn up grass? Freefall of a plane may reach 500 plus MPH but not a 270 degree corkscrew turn that has to correct it's self to fly mere inches off the ground cannot do that. I am going to go with the pilots for 9/11 truth that had to land planes. The descension of a plane starts a good thirty minutes before it ever reaches the airport landing strip. There is no way that a plane can handle the change in air pressure and maintain a steady course at that speed........which is why experienced pilots are speaking out.

Why would they have to have put the landing gear down for it to be bent? The landing gear, like the rest of the plan, hit the ground going 500 miles an hour. Why wouldn't it be bent?

Your conspiracy explanation is, again, just stupid. Its an awful, awful explanation that doesn't make sense, is based on foolish assumptions backed by nothing, and ignores overwhelming evidence contradicting it.

No thank you.

They criticise the official version because there are holes in it but their version of events looks like Swiss Cheese in comparison.

Exactly. There are holes in their conspiracy you could drive trucks through. Holes filled with stupid and cut to ribbons by Occam's Razor. Like....why bother with a missile? Why not just crash the plane? It creates mass destruction and needs no cover up.

Instead they go with a stupidly convoluted, wildly complicated, fantastically elaborate cover up involving thousands and executed in perfect secrecy......for no particular reason.

Simply put, the conspiracy version of events is just a shit explanation.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, considering the complete destruction of the outer ring, with a hole punched in ring number 2, it would take more than just one cruise missile to do that kind of damage. And, if there were 2 or more cruise missiles fired, there would be multiple explosions. There weren't.

Don't forget y'all, the Pentagon is made from reinforced concrete, is 5 stories tall, and those rings are wide as well.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

like I said, you can't prove jack

yeah we know YOU cant prove jack shit it was not an inside job,no need to advertise it to us all.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I notice the paid shill posted a funny here like his bosses tell him when he cant counter evidence in videos.LOL

 

[LA RAM FAN]

here is ANOTHER paid shill posting a funny knowing he cant counter these facts in this video and is backed up against the wall with nowhere to run.LOL

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Post 114 links to an article that says the plane that crashed in PA on 9/11 impacted the ground at 580 miles per hour.

A cesna takes a 30 degree approach on landing and landing speed is 30 to 60 knotts. This 747 would have had to come in at 1 to 5 degree approach at 500 miles per hour, sorry it can not happen. The PA flight wnet head long into the ground at a high rate of speed it did not manage a 1 to 5 degree approach and remain steady at that appraoch for over a mile. Good fucking luck accomplishing that. There are flight similators out there if you can do it I will kiss your ass!

It was not a 747,
it was a 757 which is completely different.

Yes it can happen and the specifications on the plane from boeing prove absolutely it can happen.

Kiss away boy you lost.

Only an idiot would believe that the Pentagon was hit by a 757....Lloyde England, (the cab driver whose taxi that showed the front windshield busted but no damage to the hood) admitted when he thought that he wasn't being recorded that this thing was bigger than all of us.

Wrong.

The evidence proves conclusively it was hit by a 757.

You have no evidence to the contrary and even such a quote as you reference proves.................nothing.

BTW there is no such thing as a shill.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The Pentagon could only produce those few frames??? The FBI confiscated all the cameras from businesses as "evidence" but never released the footage? HOLY shit, how fucking stupid are you????

a pesky fact these shills cover their ears and close their eyes on because they can only sling shit in defeat like the money trolls they are knowing you handed their ass to them on a platter and took them to school just then.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Only an idiot would believe that the Pentagon was hit by a 757

the UNDERSTATEMENT of the century.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Post 114 links to an article that says the plane that crashed in PA on 9/11 impacted the ground at 580 miles per hour.

A cesna takes a 30 degree approach on landing and landing speed is 30 to 60 knotts. This 747 would have had to come in at 1 to 5 degree approach at 500 miles per hour, sorry it can not happen. The PA flight wnet head long into the ground at a high rate of speed it did not manage a 1 to 5 degree approach and remain steady at that appraoch for over a mile. Good fucking luck accomplishing that. There are flight similators out there if you can do it I will kiss your ass!

It was not a 747,
it was a 757 which is completely different.

Yes it can happen and the specifications on the plane from boeing prove absolutely it can happen.

Kiss away boy you lost.

Only an idiot would believe that the Pentagon was hit by a 757....Lloyde England, (the cab driver whose taxi that showed the front windshield busted but no damage to the hood) admitted when he thought that he wasn't being recorded that this thing was bigger than all of us.

Oh well, if a cab driver said it then it must be true.

Actually, the car damage is more damning than anything Lloyde England tried not to say. I mean this huge light pole falls on the cab but does no body damage? What are the odds. eh?

you are making far too much sense for the troll to comprehend.HEE HEE

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Interesting, where are the wings and engines?

That isn’t the crash site.

Even the outer ring shows no damage from wings or engines.

People seem to believe that passenger jets have the same maneuvering skills of a fighter jet when it's really just a bus with wings. The naysayers want us to believe that an amatuer pilot with questionable flying skills could fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corkscrew turn and fly a foot off of the ground and create a hole that doesn't fit the dimensions of said 757....so move along you "whack-jobs"......nothing to see here because gubermint would never, EVER lie!

An amateur pilot has a target the size of the Pentagon
I could hit it with ten minutes practice

Holes do not match the size of the object that hit it. There is a blow out effect

Yet there was a computer and paper next to the hole that wasn't even disturbed. The fact that they have refused to show actual footage of the plane actually hitting the Pentagon when it is surrounded by cameras or released the cameras that were confiscated from businesses surrounding the Pentagon that would corroborate the official story speaks volumes to me.

as always,USMBS resident troll WRONGwinger,gets his ass OWNED by you.HEE HEE.

 

[Faun]

I notice the paid shill posted a funny here like his bosses tell him when he cant counter evidence in videos.LOL

LOLOL

Tell the forum again how your magic missile zig-zagged on its way to the Pentagon, in order to take down 2 rows of lamp posts.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

There are a few questions the 911 Truthers cannot answer. They will argue all day about how it couldn’t have happened the way the government said but they cannot offer any explanation of what did happen, at least not without easily debunked nonsense.

1. Why would the government do all of that when there were less complicated options?

2. How did the government lay out tons of explosives and miles of wiring to drop the towers without any of the thousands of employees and building security seeing them do it?

3. Where was the missile launched from and how did they keep that quiet?

4. What happened to the plane that “didn’t” hit the pentagon and where are those passengers?

5. Why didn’t Osama Bin Laden out our government?

6. How did the government keep the civilian air traffic controllers quiet?

this troll cracks me up.something i have noticed with this shill in his years here is everytime he cant refute facts that the government lied,that they have no evidence to prove what they said happened the way they did,he always asks questions instead of addressing the evidence or looking at it,everytime i backed him up against the wall and he could not refute the facts he would just insult me and call me names and eventually put me on ignore cause he got so frustrated he could not refute them.HEE HEE we were not the ones that pulled this off yet he somehow thinks WE should have all the answers? comedy gold. the moron never thought of asking bush and cheney these questions isntead of us since they were the ones involved in it.

 

[Indeependent]

Arthritis? Blame the Jews.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Interesting, where are the wings and engines?

That isn’t the crash site.

Even the outer ring shows no damage from wings or engines.

People seem to believe that passenger jets have the same maneuvering skills of a fighter jet when it's really just a bus with wings. The naysayers want us to believe that an amatuer pilot with questionable flying skills could fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corkscrew turn and fly a foot off of the ground and create a hole that doesn't fit the dimensions of said 757....so move along you "whack-jobs"......nothing to see here because gubermint would never, EVER lie!

An amateur pilot has a target the size of the Pentagon
I could hit it with ten minutes practice

Holes do not match the size of the object that hit it. There is a blow out effect

Yet there was a computer and paper next to the hole that wasn't even disturbed. The fact that they have refused to show actual footage of the plane actually hitting the Pentagon when it is surrounded by cameras or released the cameras that were confiscated from businesses surrounding the Pentagon that would corroborate the official story speaks volumes to me.

dont the shills EVER get tired of these ass beatings they get from us here everyday on this? HEE HEE.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Even the outer ring shows no damage from wings or engines.

People seem to believe that passenger jets have the same maneuvering skills of a fighter jet when it's really just a bus with wings. The naysayers want us to believe that an amatuer pilot with questionable flying skills could fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corkscrew turn and fly a foot off of the ground and create a hole that doesn't fit the dimensions of said 757....so move along you "whack-jobs"......nothing to see here because gubermint would never, EVER lie!

An amateur pilot has a target the size of the Pentagon
I could hit it with ten minutes practice

Holes do not match the size of the object that hit it. There is a blow out effect

Yet there was a computer and paper next to the hole that wasn't even disturbed. The fact that they have refused to show actual footage of the plane actually hitting the Pentagon when it is surrounded by cameras or released the cameras that were confiscated from businesses surrounding the Pentagon that would corroborate the official story speaks volumes to me.

Imagination
I love it when truthers make up their own proof

Nobody has footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. They do have data tracking the plane from takeoff to impact

But yet they couldn't intercept the plane? Show me the footage of the plane.......where are the wings?

whats comical is pred fan troll shows the crash sit yet he CANT produce the wings,or the engine or the seats that you always find at a site when an airliner crashes. they always leave with shit on thier face.