Why are all your illegals such monstrous criminals?
Ours are pretty tame. It's the offspring of legal immigrants who become criminals in Australia.
Most crimes committed in America are not by illegals. By a long shot. Time to get rid of the natural born citizens.
Hi
Reasonable Hi
The Great Goose
(note:
Reasonable it was Goose who tagged me to
come join this discussion thread, not the other way directing you to go visit my page, but thank you both for alerting me)
I am very interested in this also.
If we are going to hold illegal immigrants/undocumented residents
for restitution for their violations, why not hold ALL citizens INCLUDING govt and corporate wrongdoers EQUALLY responsible for restitution to taxpayers if they break laws that cost taxpayers money and resources? Not just the crime and violations
themselves, but the cost of prosecution and/or incarceration.
I somewhat AGREE with what
Reasonable points out,
that if most crimes are committed by natural born citizens by numbers alone, why not focus there too?
But my take on it, it's not either / or. but being consistent about both.
As for citizenship, I would also base legal privileges and legal rights, such as the right to due process, right to trial and defense,
to be EARNED by following the laws and COMPLYING with authority. So I would say not just the naturalized citizens, but also the citizens born here should be required to undergo education
training and testing, and a signed agreement to follow laws and/or pay the costs of infractions, including damages debts AND administrative/legal costs. And if citizens are not financially viable enough to afford legal rights, such as minors under their parents' legal guardianship or guest workers or students under an employer or a university, they would need a signed co-sponsor to accept legal and financial responsibility for supervising that student or minor who is not legally independent.
I believe we can better deter crime and reward/promote consistent law enforcement by holding all people INCLUDING GOVT AND CORPORATE OFFICIALS equally responsible for the COSTS they incur for infractions (both civil or criminal abuses, corruption or conspiracy involvement and especially organized crime which already provides for restitution to victims under RICO).
Also, if Congress is scrambling for some way to justify costs of health care and immigration reform, the restitution from crime and corruption, if assessed and credited BACK to taxpayers, should be able to cover the initial costs. Over time, we could pay off debts by assessing "credits" owed to taxpayers for the costs of wrongdoing
(again not just civilian crimes but especially corporate/govt/organized crime, collusion and corruption at taxpayer expense, which if govt abuses are included can run into the billions if not trillions per major incident) and investing that capital/credit into corrections and reforms that will prevent and deter these in the future.
Thanks and I hope you see more potential for solutions
coming from these discussions rather than getting stuck
on where we disagree. Of course those areas are going to
be more common and far outnumber where we agree. But where we agree is going to be more important because that's where the solutions are going to come from. We should focus there, and address the other conflicts and objections from that common framework.
Yours truly,
Emily
www.earnedamnesty.org ***
www.ethics-commission.net
*** NOTE: This summary of programs I propose to develop across the border
would include a "prison exchange" where capital offenses could be punished with convicts losing their citizenship instead of their lives to the death penalty, and trading places with applicants on the waiting list for citizenship. This would (1) reward and encourage law abiding citizens while penalizing capital offenses with deportation to a prison work program across the border as an alternative to the death penalty (2) keep the population stable by only accepting new citizens for every current citizen who gets deported for crime (and is required to work in prison under a plan to pay restitution, so these work exchange programs can take the place of illegal sweatshops and turn them into viable production and supervised work training)
