Georgia Supreme Court Rejects Trump-Aligned Effort To Require Poll Workers To Hand Count Ballots In November.

[Harpy Eagle]

Yeah, sound like you only signed paychecks on the back.

This is correct.

Running your own business takes time and commitment.

So I have heard. Glad I never had the desire.

And it allowed me to retire early.

20 years in the Marine Corps kept me from doing that. Had some catching up to do.

 

[OKTexas]

Says the guy on here crying every day about trump losing an election or being prosecuted for crimes he committed. Man up and just admit trump is a piece of shit.

I don't want him to be my pastor, I want him to be our president.

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[OKTexas]

This is correct.



So I have heard. Glad I never had the desire.



20 years in the Marine Corps kept me from doing that. Had some catching up to do.

Only 20, I had 21.5 in the Army, 26 for pay. And I started my first business while I was on terminal leave.

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[AsherN]

this may spend relatively benign, but in an election with multiple offices, candidates, constitutional amendments and tax measures, counted by a crew that has been on site since 5 am ...................

That's why I love people asking why Canada hand counts and is done that same night. may have to do with polling stations servicing about 2,000 voters. And each ballot having a single choice on it. Not 20 pages...

 

[JoeMoma]

GA is probably the weakest of the swing states on ballot security.

A hand count is a common-sense step to validate the tabulator totals. It does not mean the ballots have to actually be counted by hand- there are machines not much larger than a desktop printer whose only function is to count the paper.

You can count the number of ballots quickly with these machines, and compare the totals to the tabulator totals. A mismatch will alert you to a potential error made during the tabulation process, a match gives you confidence that the ballots were properly tabulated.

A concern from the 2020 election is that some ballots (for Biden) were run through the scanner that counts votes multiple times, resulting in the number of votes not being equal to the number of ballots and a Biden victory because for multi-counting ballots. Do I have anyway to prove that happened....of course not; however, wouldn't it be nice to have as part of a system of checks to ensure that the total number of votes is equal to the total number of ballets?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Only 20, I had 21.5 in the Army, 26 for pay. And I started my first business while I was on terminal leave.

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Yep, only 20. Well 20 and 1 month just to be safe.

Promised my daughter I would not move her during high school thus I got out when I did.

How many years of working 16 hours a day after the Army before you retired for good?

 

[OKTexas]

Yep, only 20. Well 20 and 1 month just to be safe.

Promised my daughter I would not move her during high school thus I got out when I did.

How many years of working 16 hours a day after the Army before you retired for good?

I retired from the Army 1 Aug 2000, I stopped working for good 13 Sep 2013, when I was 62. I stayed in the military long enough to make sure I maxed out my retirement. I only really missed it once, when my unit was deployed after 9-11.

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[Harpy Eagle]

I retired from the Army 1 Aug 2000, I stopped working for good 13 Sep 2013, when I was 62. I stayed in the military long enough to make sure I maxed out my retirement

I figured once I hit 20 years I was really working for half pay as I could get the first half without being in. Plus, promises to kids and all.

I could retire at 62 (2 years from now) but my wife is not ready yet and my job is too low stress and high pay for me to quit till she is ready. I will be 65 and she will be 62 when we retire. That ensures she has a pension from the VA for life if I should pass before her.

But I am not working 16 or even 10 hour days, rarely really even 8. The joys of being salaried, I am paid to do a job, not put hours on a clock.

Tomorrow I will be off for what will probably be the last round of golf for the season.

Best of luck to you!

 

[OKTexas]

I figured once I hit 20 years I was really working for half pay as I could get the first half without being in. Plus, promises to kids and all.

I could retire at 62 (2 years from now) but my wife is not ready yet and my job is too low stress and high pay for me to quit till she is ready. I will be 65 and she will be 62 when we retire. That ensures she has a pension from the VA for life if I should pass before her.

But I am not working 16 or even 10 hour days, rarely really even 8. The joys of being salaried, I am paid to do a job, not put hours on a clock.

Tomorrow I will be off for what will probably be the last round of golf for the season.

Best of luck to you!

My wife retired 15 years before I did. I didn't have to work, but I enjoyed it and the extras we could use the money for. Me thinks we need to get back on topic.

 

[rampart]

A concern from the 2020 election is that some ballots (for Biden) were run through the scanner that counts votes multiple times, resulting in the number of votes not being equal to the number of ballots and a Biden victory because for multi-counting ballots. Do I have anyway to prove that happened....of course not; however, wouldn't it be nice to have as part of a system of checks to ensure that the total number of votes is equal to the total number of ballets?

any multiple counting of votes throws off the count - total votes cast must = number of names on the poll lists (2 lists, kept separately throughout the day.)

iow. this did not happen.
trump is just a whuney bitch who can not accept the fact that he is a loser, stupid and old, so he makes this shit up.

 

[WorldWatcher]

3). All they are asking for is to make sure ballot tallies are accurate. Why would you not support this?

No, what they are trying to do is throw chaos into the system at the last minute by changing the rules.

You know these rules weren't changed by the legislature right?

Why are you asking me the same question I already answered.

Here let me repeat.

Hope the below helps.

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It wasn't the concept, although it is silly as the machines are calibrated, tested, and certified before each election. Then post eleciton verified by running random sample batches to check results.

The main issue was the rule change coming down at the last minute greatly increasing the man-hours required to run an election with no provisions for (A) hiring additional workers, (B) training additional workers, and (C) funding the training and work hours for the additional workers.

The whole intent of the change wasn't to improve voting integrity. The purpose of the rule change was to sow chaos.

 

[Lastamender]

 

[para bellum]

Nothing in the rule requires a hand count. It is all just about proper handling of ballots and chain of custody documentation.

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[ThisIsMe]

you are not looking at every thing they asked for. the hand count was just one of a half a dozen things

What were the others. I saw the hand count measure and the ability for the election board to make a reasonable inquiry before certification. (Which was never clarified.). What were the other four?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What were the others. I saw the hand count measure and the ability for the election board to make a reasonable inquiry before certification. (Which was never clarified.). What were the other four?

From post 11

The other six rules that will remain stricken for the Nov. 5 election would have:

• Required local officials to conduct a "reasonable inquiry" before certifying results;
• Given county officials access to election-related documents;
• Required absentee ballot deliverers to provide a photo ID and signature at delivery;
• Mandated video recording of authorized drop boxes after polls close;
• Expanded designated poll-watching areas; and
• Add requirements for the county board of registrars in reporting absentee ballot information.

 

[ThisIsMe]

No, what they are trying to do is throw chaos into the system at the last minute by changing the rules.

You know these rules weren't changed by the legislature right?

Why are you asking me the same question I already answered.

Here let me repeat.

Hope the below helps.

WW
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It wasn't the concept, although it is silly as the machines are calibrated, tested, and certified before each election. Then post eleciton verified by running random sample batches to check results.

The main issue was the rule change coming down at the last minute greatly increasing the man-hours required to run an election with no provisions for (A) hiring additional workers, (B) training additional workers, and (C) funding the training and work hours for the additional workers.

The whole intent of the change wasn't to improve voting integrity. The purpose of the rule change was to sow chaos.

You say it’s to sow chaos, I say it’s to make sure ballot counts match tabulators. Calibration is irrelevant. The voting machines are supposed to be calibrated yet we find them making errors. Same is true with the tabulators.

Even if they are calibrated, how good is that calibration after you have run tens of thousands of votes through them.

It just sounds like people are against accuracy.

 

[ThisIsMe]

From post 11

The other six rules that will remain stricken for the Nov. 5 election would have:

• Required local officials to conduct a "reasonable inquiry" before certifying results;
• Given county officials access to election-related documents;
• Required absentee ballot deliverers to provide a photo ID and signature at delivery;
• Mandated video recording of authorized drop boxes after polls close;
• Expanded designated poll-watching areas; and
• Add requirements for the county board of registrars in reporting absentee ballot information.

Ok, what’s wrong with those? People delivering absentee ballots have to show ID..ok?

Video recording of drop boxes? That’s a damn good idea. Why would you want these drop boxes to not be monitored by video?

More poll watchers? Again, good idea

It sounds like all these are measures to provide more security, why is this a bad thing?

 

[WorldWatcher]

You say it’s to sow chaos, I say it’s to make sure ballot counts match tabulators. Calibration is irrelevant. The voting machines are supposed to be calibrated yet we find them making errors. Same is true with the tabulators.

Even if they are calibrated, how good is that calibration after you have run tens of thousands of votes through them.

It just sounds like people are against accuracy.

It does chaos at the last minute because none of it wasn’t funded or planned out, no procedures for the workers, the need for additional workers, no training materials, etc.

Fund the additional futures, provide training for the additional workers (which is paid time), and fund the additional work time as you need more people to get it done in the allotted time.

Last minute changes are of course to sow chaos.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Ok, what’s wrong with those? People delivering absentee ballots have to show ID..ok?

Video recording of drop boxes? That’s a damn good idea. Why would you want these drop boxes to not be monitored by video?

More poll watchers? Again, good idea

It sounds like all these are measures to provide more security, why is this a bad thing?

We’ve had so boxes since the Civil War.

How are you going to fund video monitoring of every USPS box which are drop boxes?

WW

 

[para bellum]

Horseshit.

This is not a hand count and it does not require hiring additional people. This is a procedure for securing the ballots and labeling the contents of the container, after the tabulation is complete, and before transferring them from the precinct to the place of storage.

The people in charge actually have to sign off that the contents are as claimed, which is a NO-BRAINER!


5. The poll manager and two witnesses who have been sworn as poll officers as provided in O.C.G.A. §§ 21-2-94 and 21-2-95 shall unseal and open each ballot box, remove the paper ballots from each ballot box, and place the paper ballots into a durable, portable, secure and sealable container to be provided for transport to the office of the election superintendent. A separate container shall be used for the paper ballots from each ballot box and the container shall be labelled with the polling place, ballot scanner serial number, the number assigned to the ballot scanner for that election, the count of the ballots from the tabulation tape, and the date and time that the ballot box was emptied. The container shall be sealed and signed by the poll manager and the same two witnesses such that it cannot be opened without breaking the seal. The poll manager and the two witnesses shall sign a label affixed to the container indicating that it contains all of the correct ballots from the indicated ballot box and no additional ballots.
Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. 183-1-12-.12