George Zimmerman Will Walk

[pioneerpete]

Yeah, I agree she is in hiding but OJ was right out there all the time. Heck, they'll probably let Zimmerman still carry a gun if he gets off.

If he is not convicted of a felony, then he still retains his constitutional rights pursuant to the 2nd amendment.

Of course. Then another young black kid will be gunned down by this thug.

Possibly. Meanwhile 70 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. Mostly black people as young as 5. The vast majority of those shooters were black thugs.

 

[Noomi]

If he is not convicted of a felony, then he still retains his constitutional rights pursuant to the 2nd amendment.

Of course. Then another young black kid will be gunned down by this thug.

Possibly. Meanwhile 70 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. Mostly black people as young as 5. The vast majority of those shooters were black thugs.

Trayvon was not a thug. He was a kid walking home.

 

[pioneerpete]

On why Zimmerman wasn't arrested or detained after the shooting:

The Trayvon Martin Killing, Explained

Ok man, you think what you want. But try to leave the police station when you are told you can't leave and see how that goes over.

http://www.esachslaw.com/when-are-you-actually-considered-under-arrest

Is that a violation of your rights? It is not. So we go back into the premise, when is somebody entitled to their Miranda warnings? The Miranda warnings, by definition, mean a person has the right to remain silent against the government. It has nothing to do with you or me personally.

These are all things, events of the government is where your constitutional rights come into play. So when a person is under arrest, that's when their constitutional rights come into play. Or, what is the definition of an arrest? We argue all the time, it has nothing to do with the police officer actually saying, you're under arrest. It is when a reasonable person, not some lunatic, but when a reasonable person under these circumstances would believe that they were in custody and not free to leave.

 

[Avatar4321]

Of course. Then another young black kid will be gunned down by this thug.

Possibly. Meanwhile 70 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. Mostly black people as young as 5. The vast majority of those shooters were black thugs.

Trayvon was not a thug. He was a kid walking home.

Who was shot by someone whom he had on the ground and was beating.

 

[Sarah G]

On why Zimmerman wasn't arrested or detained after the shooting:

The Trayvon Martin Killing, Explained

Lots of good info there, Lakhota.

 

[Lakhota]

Possibly. Meanwhile 70 people were shot in Chicago last weekend. Mostly black people as young as 5. The vast majority of those shooters were black thugs.

Trayvon was not a thug. He was a kid walking home.

Who was shot by someone whom he had on the ground and was beating.

Gee, why was he supposedly beating him? Are you suggesting that a black teenager has no right to fear for his life and defend himself? How was Martin to know that Zimmerman wasn't a criminal who had been committing crimes in the area?

 

[R.C. Christian]

Oh, I hope they riot. Studying the police state's response to stupid people allows smart people to study their tactics.

 

[pioneerpete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

4th Amendment of the US Constitution

Arrest

When a person is arrested and taken into police custody, they have been seized (e.g., a reasonable person who is handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car would not think they were free to leave). A person subjected to a routine traffic stop on the other hand, has been seized, but is not "arrested" because traffic stops are a relatively brief encounter and are more analogous to a Terry stop than to a formal arrest.[39] A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, unless state law says otherwise.[40] A search incidental to an arrest that is not permissible under state law does not violate the Fourth Amendment, if the arresting officer has probable cause.[41][42]

In Maryland v. King (2013), the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of police to swab for DNA upon arrests for serious crimes, along the same mentality that allows police to take fingerprints or photographs of those they arrest and detain.[

 

[R.C. Christian]

So Pete, what is your point exactly?

 

[pioneerpete]

So Pete, what is your point exactly?

According to the constitution GZ was arrested the night of the incident, but not charged because probable cause could not be obtained for a warrant.

 

[Lakhota]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

4th Amendment of the US Constitution

Arrest

When a person is arrested and taken into police custody, they have been seized (e.g., a reasonable person who is handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car would not think they were free to leave). A person subjected to a routine traffic stop on the other hand, has been seized, but is not "arrested" because traffic stops are a relatively brief encounter and are more analogous to a Terry stop than to a formal arrest.[39] A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, unless state law says otherwise.[40] A search incidental to an arrest that is not permissible under state law does not violate the Fourth Amendment, if the arresting officer has probable cause.[41][42]

In Maryland v. King (2013), the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of police to swab for DNA upon arrests for serious crimes, along the same mentality that allows police to take fingerprints or photographs of those they arrest and detain.[

Well, tell that to the City of Sanford Police Department, because they say Zimmerman was not arrested or charged on the night of the shooting. Maybe Zimmerman can sue Sanford for false arrest. Good luck...

 

[Avatar4321]

Trayvon was not a thug. He was a kid walking home.

Who was shot by someone whom he had on the ground and was beating.

Gee, why was he supposedly beating him? Are you suggesting that a black teenager has no right to fear for his life and defend himself? How was Martin to know that Zimmerman wasn't a criminal who had been committing crimes in the area?

No evidence has been provided.

A black teenager has a right to defend himself. Problem is there is no evidence Trayvon was being attacked. There is evidence that he was attacking.

Why didn't Trayvon just go home? Why did he attack Zimmerman? The only evidence that's been presented is that Trayvon was attacking Zimmerman. Self defense is clearly applicable.

I know you want Zimmerman to be guilty but the evidence just doesn't support it.

 

[pioneerpete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

4th Amendment of the US Constitution

Arrest

When a person is arrested and taken into police custody, they have been seized (e.g., a reasonable person who is handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car would not think they were free to leave). A person subjected to a routine traffic stop on the other hand, has been seized, but is not "arrested" because traffic stops are a relatively brief encounter and are more analogous to a Terry stop than to a formal arrest.[39] A police officer does not have the authority to arrest someone for refusing to identify himself when he is not suspected of committing a crime, unless state law says otherwise.[40] A search incidental to an arrest that is not permissible under state law does not violate the Fourth Amendment, if the arresting officer has probable cause.[41][42]

In Maryland v. King (2013), the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of police to swab for DNA upon arrests for serious crimes, along the same mentality that allows police to take fingerprints or photographs of those they arrest and detain.[

Well, tell that to the City of Sanford Police Department, because they say Zimmerman was not arrested or charged on the night of the shooting. Good luck...

Oh well. The constitution says that he was. Maybe the mob doesn't think so, but he really was.

 

[Noomi]

Who was shot by someone whom he had on the ground and was beating.

Gee, why was he supposedly beating him? Are you suggesting that a black teenager has no right to fear for his life and defend himself? How was Martin to know that Zimmerman wasn't a criminal who had been committing crimes in the area?

No evidence has been provided.

A black teenager has a right to defend himself. Problem is there is no evidence Trayvon was being attacked. There is evidence that he was attacking.

Why didn't Trayvon just go home? Why did he attack Zimmerman? The only evidence that's been presented is that Trayvon was attacking Zimmerman. Self defense is clearly applicable.

I know you want Zimmerman to be guilty but the evidence just doesn't support it.

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

 

[Avatar4321]

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

Except:

1) He wasnt
2) Trayvon was not far from the house.

 

[Sarah G]

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

Except:

1) He wasnt
2) Trayvon was not far from the house.

Why didn't Zimmerman stay in the truck? The blockwatch rules say he can't follow or question anyone. All he needed to do was keep his fat butt in the truck and call in his observations.

This is completely Zimmerman's fault and he should go to prison for it but we'll see what happens.

 

[Noomi]

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

Except:

1) He wasnt
2) Trayvon was not far from the house.

Why did Zimmerman follow him?

How do you know Trayvon wasn't beating Zimmerman in self defence?

 

[pioneerpete]

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

Except:

1) He wasnt
2) Trayvon was not far from the house.

Why didn't Zimmerman stay in the truck? The blockwatch rules say he can't follow or question anyone. All he needed to do was keep his fat butt in the truck and call in his observations.

This is completely Zimmerman's fault and he should go to prison for it but we'll see what happens.

How can you question anything when you are not aware of the 2nd and 4th amendments to the US constitution? Where I'm assuming you live, yet cling to blockwatch rules as though they were the new gospel of whatever you call god.

 

[Sarah G]

Good thread but I've been working late and have to get up early. See ya'll.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Gee, why was he supposedly beating him? Are you suggesting that a black teenager has no right to fear for his life and defend himself? How was Martin to know that Zimmerman wasn't a criminal who had been committing crimes in the area?

No evidence has been provided.

A black teenager has a right to defend himself. Problem is there is no evidence Trayvon was being attacked. There is evidence that he was attacking.

Why didn't Trayvon just go home? Why did he attack Zimmerman? The only evidence that's been presented is that Trayvon was attacking Zimmerman. Self defense is clearly applicable.

I know you want Zimmerman to be guilty but the evidence just doesn't support it.

Trayvon couldn't go home because a racist ****** was following him, you idiot.

Trayvon didn't want to go home because he wanted to kill that "crazy assed cracker", you idiot.