George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers

[AllieBaba]

You quoted me in that post as if you were telling me something I don't know. You should probably go back and really read what I was saying?



So, they should have locked Hasan up for life just because we think he has the motive, he seems to have the ability and he may or may not have the opportunity?

Sorry, but you are talking thought police.

Immie

Sorry, but you're talking political correctness.

What are you retarded? "he may or may not have the opportunity?" Are you fucken daft? All he needed was a large crowd which he could see from his friggen office. And he took full advantage of it.

I think pulling him in for questioning would have possibly diffused his plans.

They didn't have to lock him up.

All they had to do was something instead of nothing....which is what they were order to do.

You're advocating Minority Report without the pre-Cogs. Shootings by individuals are not preventative all the time and if you strive for that with a law enforcement spearhead approach then you will need to abandon all freedoms and privacy.

Bullshit. When you're fighting a war and have been infilterated by the enemy, you become proactive. It is illegal and treasonous to aid and abet the enemy. There is no loss of freedom when you pull people in who are doing just that.

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

Yes it was directed personally towards you....that argument is directed personally at everyone who supports in the invasions and occupations. I also didn't ignore being told you lost your fiance. You obviously don't care what I think so what good would it have done to give my condolences? I didn't say anything else about it because you are no where near ready to have a candid conversation and I am giving you heads up right now....if you open that door don't whine about what happens when you walk through it.

So how many more times will you change the goal posts? At first you told me to shut up on the assumption I never Served. When that doesn't work you then say to shut up on the condition of "unless you've lost a family member." Can you get anymore unAmerican than that?

Cali Girl,

What, exactly, did your fiancee die for ?
Are we safer because of his loss ?
What was accomplished ?
How do you deal with the answers to the above ?
It makes LOTS of sense to me that you'd be less than reasonable about anything approaching a cheapening of a loss so intimately dear to you.
......but it still makes you unreasonable.
Just thought you should know.

What your post makes you is an insensitive Prick.

For ****'s sake......

You really have no sense of decency to you at all.

Honor their memory with your protests.......my fucken ass.

You misunderstand.
Protests accomplish nothing, not a fan.
Precision thought, however......
Simply following the script YOU'VE presented for honoring these losses does nothing beyond reinforcing the idiocy of your own position.
...and more continue to be lost. It's what we do.
It'd just be nice for there to be something beyond love of comrades and country to show for it.

For the record, having to get shot at for months at a time for no good reason makes me an insensitive prick, not my post.
Think first.
Feel later.

 

[mudwhistle]

No, your point was directed at me personally - you said I 'PRETEND' to care about our troops. You then ignored it when another poster outlined the reason why I care..... I don't PRETEND to care about our troops - my fiance was one of them you stupid, arrogant, ******* wanker.

When it's a member of your family, come back and tell me I don't ******* care you half witted moron.

Yes it was directed personally towards you....that argument is directed personally at everyone who supports in the invasions and occupations. I also didn't ignore being told you lost your fiance. You obviously don't care what I think so what good would it have done to give my condolences? I didn't say anything else about it because you are no where near ready to have a candid conversation and I am giving you heads up right now....if you open that door don't whine about what happens when you walk through it.

So how many more times will you change the goal posts? At first you told me to shut up on the assumption I never Served. When that doesn't work you then say to shut up on the condition of "unless you've lost a family member." Can you get anymore unAmerican than that?

Why would I expect (or want) condolences from an asshole who says I PRETEND to support our troops?

People I love put themselves in harms way at the whim of a POTUS and in defense of this country. Their opinions matter to me. Yours does not. You accused me of PRETENDING to care. You cannot imagine how dispicable I find that comment, you ******* wanker. Your condolenses? You can stick 'em up your ass and light 'em.
#

Their concerns for the dead only go as far as their political leanings allow them.

They pretend to have sorrow for an imaginary image of what a soldier represents but when it comes down to recognizing a real soldier they show their true feelings.

They're usually the first to condemn them.

My guess is if Hasan had been White they would have been on his ass like stink on shit.

 

[mudwhistle]

Cali Girl,

What, exactly, did your fiancee die for ?
Are we safer because of his loss ?
What was accomplished ?
How do you deal with the answers to the above ?
It makes LOTS of sense to me that you'd be less than reasonable about anything approaching a cheapening of a loss so intimately dear to you.
......but it still makes you unreasonable.
Just thought you should know.

What your post makes you is an insensitive Prick.

For ****'s sake......

You really have no sense of decency to you at all.

Honor their memory with your protests.......my fucken ass.

You misunderstand.
Protests accomplish nothing, not a fan.
Precision thought, however......
Simply following the script YOU'VE presented for honoring these losses does nothing beyond reinforcing the idiocy of your own position.
...and more continue to be lost. It's what we do.
It'd just be nice for there to be something beyond love of comrades and country to show for it.

For the record, having to get shot at for months at a time for no good reason makes me an insensitive prick, not my post.
Think first.
Feel later.

Looks like you do nether.

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

Yes it was directed personally towards you....that argument is directed personally at everyone who supports in the invasions and occupations. I also didn't ignore being told you lost your fiance. You obviously don't care what I think so what good would it have done to give my condolences? I didn't say anything else about it because you are no where near ready to have a candid conversation and I am giving you heads up right now....if you open that door don't whine about what happens when you walk through it.

So how many more times will you change the goal posts? At first you told me to shut up on the assumption I never Served. When that doesn't work you then say to shut up on the condition of "unless you've lost a family member." Can you get anymore unAmerican than that?

Why would I expect (or want) condolences from an asshole who says I PRETEND to support our troops?

People I love put themselves in harms way at the whim of a POTUS and in defense of this country. Their opinions matter to me. Yours does not. You accused me of PRETENDING to care. You cannot imagine how dispicable I find that comment, you ******* wanker. Your condolenses? You can stick 'em up your ass and light 'em.
#

Their concerns for the dead only go as far as their political leanings allow them.

They pretend to have sorrow for an imaginary image of what a soldier represents but when it comes down to recognizing a real soldier they show their true feelings.

They're usually the first to condemn them.

My guess is Hasan had been White they would have been on his ass like stink on shit.

Wrong...again,
You bring a spectator sports mentality to an issue complex enough to risk hobbling the most powerful military force on the planet. Brilliant.
It's gonna take quite a bit more than whining about white being the new black to see us to some real direction that keeps us safer while fighting more effectively.

 

[California Girl]

Cali Girl,

What, exactly, did your fiancee die for ?
Are we safer because of his loss ?
What was accomplished ?
How do you deal with the answers to the above ?
It makes LOTS of sense to me that you'd be less than reasonable about anything approaching a cheapening of a loss so intimately dear to you.
......but it still makes you unreasonable.
Just thought you should know.

What your post makes you is an insensitive Prick.

For ****'s sake......

You really have no sense of decency to you at all.

Honor their memory with your protests.......my fucken ass.

You misunderstand.
Protests accomplish nothing, not a fan.
Precision thought, however......
Simply following the script YOU'VE presented for honoring these losses does nothing beyond reinforcing the idiocy of your own position.
...and more continue to be lost. It's what we do.
It'd just be nice for there to be something beyond love of comrades and country to show for it.

For the record, having to get shot at for months at a time for no good reason makes me an insensitive prick, not my post.
Think first.
Feel later.

No, what makes you an insensitive prick is your previous post. I know lots of men (I'm related to a few) who also get shot at for months at a time.... and will continue to do so. You're just some ******* asshole. Yours to own and live with.

 

[mudwhistle]

Why would I expect (or want) condolences from an asshole who says I PRETEND to support our troops?

People I love put themselves in harms way at the whim of a POTUS and in defense of this country. Their opinions matter to me. Yours does not. You accused me of PRETENDING to care. You cannot imagine how dispicable I find that comment, you ******* wanker. Your condolenses? You can stick 'em up your ass and light 'em.
#

Their concerns for the dead only go as far as their political leanings allow them.

They pretend to have sorrow for an imaginary image of what a soldier represents but when it comes down to recognizing a real soldier they show their true feelings.

They're usually the first to condemn them.

My guess is Hasan had been White they would have been on his ass like stink on shit.

Wrong...again,
You bring a spectator sports mentality to an issue complex enough to risk hobbling the most powerful military force on the planet. Brilliant.
It's gonna take quite a bit more than whining about white being the new black to see us to some real direction that keeps us safer while fighting more effectively.

What the **** are you talking about?

Bush had to run up the deficit to please all of you ***** uparmoring Humvees...which is a total waste.....buying MRAPs and buying armor by the bushel..

When I was in Somalia we were the only country with no fucken armor. We were there to provide a good image. Clinton decided we didn't need to upset anyone who wanted to kill us by actually protecting our troops. That would have been too aggressive a posture to show the good will of the United States was real.

I get tired of you silly ***** bitching about us not doing enough when we did everything and more. Billions of dollars of new equipment and training. The best thing we could do now is pull out completely because that pencil-neck in the White House doesn't feel up to his job. He doesn't have the stones for it.

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

Their concerns for the dead only go as far as their political leanings allow them.

They pretend to have sorrow for an imaginary image of what a soldier represents but when it comes down to recognizing a real soldier they show their true feelings.

They're usually the first to condemn them.

My guess is Hasan had been White they would have been on his ass like stink on shit.

Wrong...again,
You bring a spectator sports mentality to an issue complex enough to risk hobbling the most powerful military force on the planet. Brilliant.
It's gonna take quite a bit more than whining about white being the new black to see us to some real direction that keeps us safer while fighting more effectively.

What the **** are you talking about?

Bush had to run up the deficit to please all of you ***** uparmoring Humvees...which is a total waste.....buying MRAPs and buying armor by the bushel..

When I was in Somalia we were the only country with no fucken armor. We were there to provide a good image. Clinton decided we didn't need to upset anyone who wanted to kill us by actually protecting our troops. That would have been too aggressive a posture to show the good will of the United States was real.

I get tired of you silly ***** bitching about us not doing enough when we did everything and more. Billions of dollars of new equipment and training. The best thing we could do now is pull out completely because that pencil-neck in the White House doesn't feel up to his job. He doesn't have the stones for it.

You are truly pathetic.
Riddle me this, riddle me that; how much did the worthless uparmored hummers cost in 2009 dollars. Did you have someone email these talking points ? Fire them immediately, they are NOT helping you.
You are not in a position to do anything that matters. What needed to have been done years ago, before 'mission' creep set in as the permament policy, needed to be done at levels far above that of a foul mouthed sailor with little to offer beyond whining about 16 year old battles.
That California Girl cannot see a DIRECT link between the idiocy you spew and the pointless death of her fiancee says quite a bit about the level to which her grief has blinded her. Another casualty, it seems.
Hoookay, cuss, sputter, and continue to profane your service to this country, but know this; without a cogent national security policy, all our sacrifices will amount to nothing.

 

[California Girl]

Wrong...again,
You bring a spectator sports mentality to an issue complex enough to risk hobbling the most powerful military force on the planet. Brilliant.
It's gonna take quite a bit more than whining about white being the new black to see us to some real direction that keeps us safer while fighting more effectively.

What the **** are you talking about?

Bush had to run up the deficit to please all of you ***** uparmoring Humvees...which is a total waste.....buying MRAPs and buying armor by the bushel..

When I was in Somalia we were the only country with no fucken armor. We were there to provide a good image. Clinton decided we didn't need to upset anyone who wanted to kill us by actually protecting our troops. That would have been too aggressive a posture to show the good will of the United States was real.

I get tired of you silly ***** bitching about us not doing enough when we did everything and more. Billions of dollars of new equipment and training. The best thing we could do now is pull out completely because that pencil-neck in the White House doesn't feel up to his job. He doesn't have the stones for it.

You are truly pathetic.
Riddle me this, riddle me that; how much did the worthless uparmored hummers cost in 2009 dollars. Did you have someone email these talking points ? Fire them immediately, they are NOT helping you.
You are not in a position to do anything that matters. What needed to have been done years ago, before 'mission' creep set in as the permament policy, needed to be done at levels far above that of a foul mouthed sailor with little to offer beyond whining about 16 year old battles.
That California Girl cannot see a DIRECT link between the idiocy you spew and the pointless death of her fiancee says quite a bit about the level to which her grief has blinded her. Another casualty, it seems.
Hoookay, cuss, sputter, and continue to profane your service to this country, but know this; without a cogent national security policy, all our sacrifices will amount to nothing.

**** off, asshole. What I can see a direct link between is you and an idiot.

 

[CurveLight]

**** off.

Weren't you complaining about partisanship? When one of your friends does it you don't seem to mind. Not. Shocked.

I tell you to **** off because you accuse me of PRETENDING to support our troops. You are an arrogant ******* ass. **** OFF.

Why don't you just put it in your sig instead of repeating it every two hours?

 

[Contumacious]

The best thing we could do now is pull out completely because that pencil-neck in the White House doesn't feel up to his job. He doesn't have the stones for it.

You low life motherfuckers only get sexually aroused at the sight of spilt blood.

.

 

[California Girl]

Weren't you complaining about partisanship? When one of your friends does it you don't seem to mind. Not. Shocked.

I tell you to **** off because you accuse me of PRETENDING to support our troops. You are an arrogant ******* ass. **** OFF.

Why don't you just put it in your sig instead of repeating it every two hours?

Because I like to make sure you get the ******* point, jerkoff.

 

[CurveLight]

I tell you to **** off because you accuse me of PRETENDING to support our troops. You are an arrogant ******* ass. **** OFF.

Why don't you just put it in your sig instead of repeating it every two hours?

Because I like to make sure you get the ******* point, jerkoff.

I understand quite clearly you want to make sure your sick ass gets all the sympathy the world can give.

 

[Bfgrn]

I never said our government can't fix the problems with healthcare. Tell ya what....let's save some time. I will give you my password so you can post what you want me to say then you can respond with your account. Will that work for ya?

I'll make it easier...I'l just post your word...

Think about it like this.....over the past 8 years our "representatives" have spent billions of our dollars to build other nations. They openly admit to kidnapping people and hold them in secret prisons across the globe. They've been needlessly killing our troops and the ones who get wounded come back to the VA flagship hospital where they get comforted with an understaffed ill-equipped institution with rats and cockroaches to tuck them in at night. These same people openly admit to spying on Americans.

And you think we will be able to hold them accountable for overcharging on ******* aspirin?

No where do I say the government can't help. My post you quoted was pointing out why Iam against the government becoming a de facto HMO. That doesn't mean I like the private healthcare industry. You've created a false dichotomy.

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So your preferred solution to the problem of groups of people being unaccountable for their actions in the healthcare industry is to ignore the causes of those problems and bring in another group who is even less accountable with more access to our money? Did you get some bad peyote or something?

Here...you say the FOR profit corporations are more accountable than government...So who is your elected representatives for Aetna?

I guess Mussolini's fascism (corporatocracy) is a better design than our founder's

BTW...the public option doesn't make government a de facto HMO....That is false dichotomy

 

[CurveLight]

I'll make it easier...I'l just post your word...

No where do I say the government can't help. My post you quoted was pointing out why Iam against the government becoming a de facto HMO. That doesn't mean I like the private healthcare industry. You've created a false dichotomy.

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So your preferred solution to the problem of groups of people being unaccountable for their actions in the healthcare industry is to ignore the causes of those problems and bring in another group who is even less accountable with more access to our money? Did you get some bad peyote or something?

Here...you say the FOR profit corporations are more accountable than government...So who is your elected representatives for Aetna?

I guess Mussolini's fascism (corporatocracy) is a better design than our founder's

BTW...the public option doesn't make government a de facto HMO....That is false dichotomy

The government is less accountable........I'm done man.....you're so steamed up about this you don't give dialogue a chance.

 

[CurveLight]

These comments are completely pathetic and uncalled for. You should be ashamed of yourself, but assholes like you never are.

Immature people usually avoid grown up talk and usually just call other people names in threads and rep comments.

And you claim others are being immature....while you're living in a fantasy world.

Have fun in Disneyland bud.

You pretty much lost the moral highground when you pissed all over a fallen soldiers memory.

Please point to when I pissed all over a fallen soldiers memory. Is this just more of your fabrication mode......like when you falsely accused me of claiming to have more of a right to speak because of my Service?

Looks to me like you and calligirl are pissed when your trivial and sad attempts to silence others by emotional blackmail fail.

You know what I see as pissing all over a fallen soldier's memory looks like? It's when someone uses that soldier's Sacrifice to try and make other people shut up.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes it was directed personally towards you....that argument is directed personally at everyone who supports in the invasions and occupations. I also didn't ignore being told you lost your fiance. You obviously don't care what I think so what good would it have done to give my condolences? I didn't say anything else about it because you are no where near ready to have a candid conversation and I am giving you heads up right now....if you open that door don't whine about what happens when you walk through it.

So how many more times will you change the goal posts? At first you told me to shut up on the assumption I never Served. When that doesn't work you then say to shut up on the condition of "unless you've lost a family member." Can you get anymore unAmerican than that?

Cali Girl,

What, exactly, did your fiancee die for ?
Are we safer because of his loss ?
What was accomplished ?
How do you deal with the answers to the above ?
It makes LOTS of sense to me that you'd be less than reasonable about anything approaching a cheapening of a loss so intimately dear to you.
......but it still makes you unreasonable.
Just thought you should know.

What a douche you are.

People do not cease to reason because somebody dies, nor do we negate people who have had loved ones die serving the country and the world, and paying with their lives.

Not always but when people parade a loved one's loss around as a self authorized license to tell everyone else to shut the **** up there is a good chance reasoning has been abandoned.

 

[mudwhistle]

Immature people usually avoid grown up talk and usually just call other people names in threads and rep comments.

And you claim others are being immature....while you're living in a fantasy world.

Have fun in Disneyland bud.

You pretty much lost the moral highground when you pissed all over a fallen soldiers memory.

Please point to when I pissed all over a fallen soldiers memory. Is this just more of your fabrication mode......like when you falsely accused me of claiming to have more of a right to speak because of my Service?

Looks to me like you and calligirl are pissed when your trivial and sad attempts to silence others by emotional blackmail fail.

You know what I see as pissing all over a fallen soldier's memory looks like? It's when someone uses that soldier's Sacrifice to try and make other people shut up.

The above post is an example of not only trivializing the sacrifice of the soldier in question but in effect you once again pissed on his memory. But there are other examples of this attitude as well as your habit of accusing our troops of committing war crimes, plus your indignation at being told to shut up because you claimed you were a combat vet.

Do you remember the following exchanges:


Mudwhistle wrote: "The woman you labled CallGirl has personally lost someone close to her in the war...her fiance. He was a Marine officer.

She has every reason in the world to cop your fucked up attitude but chooses not to because she can see the big picture. I don't consider her or her brother hypocrits because they both know what they're talking about....much better then you do."

You wrote: "How predictable. When you learn it was your friends who did it you do a complete 180 and spin it to "they're trying to teach you something." Then you pull the "you just hate bush" card? I guessed you'd make friends with Mr. Hypocrisy but didn't think you'd give him a blow job to boot. "

You also wrote later:".......should we go with your approach and just keep murdering innocent people until you feel safe?"

"How in the **** can we preach to the world about freedom and justice when we openly admit we kidnap people and hold them in secret prisons?"



Course I really don't know what secret prisons you speak of. Is Abu Grab secret? Is GITMO secret? Do you know who signed into law the practice...Rendition is what it's called. Bill Clinton signed it into law. And I don't think anyone but that prick Obama may have implied we kidnap anyone. But I don't think he is an authority on the truth.



Further evidence of your obvious distain for our troops and their families are as follows:

California Girl said:
No, your point was directed at me personally - you said I 'PRETEND' to care about our troops. You then ignored it when another poster outlined the reason why I care..... I don't PRETEND to care about our troops - my fiance was one of them you stupid, arrogant, ******* wanker.

When it's a member of your family, come back and tell me I don't ******* care you half witted moron.

You wrote: "Yes it was directed personally towards you....that argument is directed personally at everyone who supports in the invasions and occupations. I also didn't ignore being told you lost your fiance. You obviously don't care what I think so what good would it have done to give my condolences? I didn't say anything else about it because you are no where near ready to have a candid conversation and I am giving you heads up right now....if you open that door don't whine about what happens when you walk through it.

So how many more times will you change the goal posts? At first you told me to shut up on the assumption I never Served. When that doesn't work you then say to shut up on the condition of "unless you've lost a family member." Can you get anymore unAmerican than that?"


You also wrote:"It's pretty ******* dumb to tell a Combat Vet to shut up......."

 

[oreo]

Well, glad to see there is one President who care about the troops.

I am glad G.W. & Laura showed up "without" a herd of media with them. Good for them.

 

[California Girl]

Why don't you just put it in your sig instead of repeating it every two hours?

Because I like to make sure you get the ******* point, jerkoff.

I understand quite clearly you want to make sure your sick ass gets all the sympathy the world can give.

It might have escaped your limited attention span that I didn't bring it up, you ******* arrogant little asshole.

Now the board knows you for a particularly nasty little person who thinks that it is okay to treat the family of servicemen as somehow unimportant. That makes you look like a pathetic creature.

If either of us 'PRETENDS' to care, it isn't me, assclown, it's you.....