'Generation Gimme': Can We or Should We Afford Them?

[The T]

Indeed. The measures to be proactive have to be austere...there's no way around it. It's start now...or try to clean up a mess after the fact that WE might not have the tools to handle.

The politicians on both sides have gotten so used to erect window dressings and facades as common practice for thier own re-elections that very few are willing to play straight.

No matter what happens...we are in a world of hurt...less if we start dialing back NOW...and unrecoverable if we let it collapse all together if the facades and 1/2 measures and bickering continues.

MOST of us know what needs to be done....Government refuses so far to do it.

I'm in total agreement. There's a hell of a lot that has to be cut, and someone needs to have the balls to do it.

I only differ in that I feel cuts alone will not be enough. We need to increase revenue too, as much as we are loath to do it.

Granted...and to do that? Regulations need to be gotten off the necks of American business so they can invest, create jobs and create more taxpayers.

Common Denominator? Government intrusion.

 

[Steelplate]

Unions were good when our great grandfathers started them, then their children inhetited the unions and our parents after them. It was through the mismanagement, greed, and corruption of our parents and grandparents who abused the system, and bled it dry. That has now brought about the downfall of the unions. They have no one to blame but themselves. Who suffers the most for it... my generation. Had it been used responsibly it would have ensured prosperity for all. The size and scope of government is the same thing, our parents and grandparents have given us a government so unweildly that trying to reel it in now is Herculean in task.

The vast majority of Congress is the baby boomer generation. Boomers in general, not all, have created every problem we have now. We talk about the gimmee generation now, but who produced them and wh0o raised them. Grandparents raising the grand children, amazing. The grandparents raised the children who are now dumping their children, strange huh. Maybe the problem is the boomer generation and the children they raised, and means left and right.

Wow... who said anything about Unions? Unless I missed it... it's just you so far(This is as far as I got in the thread). The laughable thing is that you are scared of just 7% of our total workforce. Those evil unions have very little impact or influence when compared to the Corporate SuperPacs where they can remain anonymous and give unlimited amounts.

You are fed a line of bullshit and because it's your "boyz" on FOX and AM Radio, you eat it up like House eats Vicodin.

 

[paulitician]

Pay now or pay later. But we are gonna pay.

 

[Steelplate]

If you look at it that way you are right. but it is the Democrat party mostly that takes from the producers and gives to the paracites. You can't tell me that the GOP gives taxpayer dollars to help welfare brood mares now can you?

People who have been living with flat/stagnant wages for decades that don't keep up with inflation are now parasites?

Flat wages, low wages, having to work 2 or 3 jobs... that does not make someone a parasite...

What makes someone a parasite is the wanting and taking of something for nothing, at the expense of others.... entitlement junkies, welfare lifers, etc... those are indeed parasites

Nobody is owed a goddamn thing in life... you do not have, nor should you have, the right to have me support you involuntarily because you simply do not do what you have to do to make ends meet

What about the Corporate entitlement junkies and welfare lifers? They are fewer in number but they cost so much more. BTW... I will pity you on the day you and people like you have to stand at the foot of your maker someday and explain why you turned your back on his children who needed help and bowed down and worshiped money, greed and power.

 

[paulitician]

People who have been living with flat/stagnant wages for decades that don't keep up with inflation are now parasites?

Flat wages, low wages, having to work 2 or 3 jobs... that does not make someone a parasite...

What makes someone a parasite is the wanting and taking of something for nothing, at the expense of others.... entitlement junkies, welfare lifers, etc... those are indeed parasites

Nobody is owed a goddamn thing in life... you do not have, nor should you have, the right to have me support you involuntarily because you simply do not do what you have to do to make ends meet

What about the Corporate entitlement junkies and welfare lifers? They are fewer in number but they cost so much more. BTW... I will pity you on the day you and people like you have to stand at the foot of your maker someday and explain why you turned your back on his children who needed help and bowed down and worshiped money, greed and power.

We have covered Corporate Entitlement. They are a part of 'Generation Gimme.' And it's not about the children. That's just Drama-Queen rhetoric. Our Entitlements are through the roof. They cannot be sustained. What are you not getting about that?

 

[Alan Stallion]

Another thread where this quote seems apt:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship..." (attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler)

 

[Modbert]

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Attributed to Socrates by Plato

 

[paulitician]

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Attributed to Socrates by Plato

I don't mind brats being brats. That's to be expected. But they don't get to demand stealing from fellow Citizens just because they feel they're Entitled. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

 

[Vast LWC]

We have covered Corporate Entitlement. They are a part of 'Generation Gimme.' And it's not about the children. That's just Drama-Queen rhetoric. Our Entitlements are through the roof. They cannot be sustained. What are you not getting about that?

I believe he's not getting what we're all not getting Paul, and that's that, in your worldview, everything is obviously everyone else's fault.

It's everyone else that's "taking what's yours". Everyone else that's been ruining the country.

Nothing could possibly be the fault of your generation, right?

It's obviously those uppity whipper-snappers.

 

[The T]

Another thread where this quote seems apt:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship..." (attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler)

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

The earliest known appearance of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson[2]. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.

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Fret not...

"It is not, perhaps, unreasonable to conclude, that a pure and perfect democracy is a thing not attainable by man, constituted as he is of contending elements of vice and virtue, and ever mainly influenced by the predominant principle of self-interest. It may, indeed, be confidently asserted, that there never was that government called a republic, which was not ultimately ruled by a single will, and, therefore, (however bold may seem the paradox,) virtually and substantially a monarchy."

Source

 

[Modbert]

I don't mind brats being brats. That's to be expected. But they don't get to demand stealing from fellow Citizens just because they feel they're Entitled. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

I haven't fully read the thread but I've yet to see you define who these "brats" and "generation gimme" are. I have a feeling you're one of those people who feel taxation is stealing, would I be correct?

 

[The T]

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

- Attributed to Socrates by Plato

I don't mind brats being brats. That's to be expected. But they don't get to demand stealing from fellow Citizens just because they feel they're Entitled. Gotta draw the line somewhere.

And I don't mind people demanding they shut the Hell UP...and get a damned job.

 

[Steelplate]

Flat wages, low wages, having to work 2 or 3 jobs... that does not make someone a parasite...

What makes someone a parasite is the wanting and taking of something for nothing, at the expense of others.... entitlement junkies, welfare lifers, etc... those are indeed parasites

Nobody is owed a goddamn thing in life... you do not have, nor should you have, the right to have me support you involuntarily because you simply do not do what you have to do to make ends meet

What about the Corporate entitlement junkies and welfare lifers? They are fewer in number but they cost so much more. BTW... I will pity you on the day you and people like you have to stand at the foot of your maker someday and explain why you turned your back on his children who needed help and bowed down and worshiped money, greed and power.

We have covered Corporate Entitlement. They are a part of 'Generation Gimme.' And it's not about the children. That's just Drama-Queen rhetoric. Our Entitlements are through the roof. They cannot be sustained. What are you not getting about that?

Bullshit. We find money to give huge breaks to business, have a military that is probably 3X more expensive than need be and have a bloated, profit driven Health Care system that panders to everyone BUT the patient.

But yeah... keep talking about the "entitlement Generation" or however you put it. I didn't say children... I said HIS children...that means all people who are downtrodden.

I'd like to see Dave try his own solution out... go work 2-3 jobs. Once I did two full time jobs of menial labor for a year when I was young. It damned near killed me... but then again, perhaps that's the Conservative Health Care plan.

 

[Modbert]

And I don't mind people demanding they shut the Hell UP...and get a damned job.

You do understand you can't complain in one breath that there are no jobs due to President Obama and his "socialist" policies and then in the next breath demand that anyone who's unemployed go get a job without coming off as a giant hypocrite, right?

 

[Steelplate]

And I don't mind people demanding they shut the Hell UP...and get a damned job.

You do understand you can't complain in one breath that there are no jobs due to President Obama and his "socialist" policies and then in the next breath demand that anyone who's unemployed go get a job without coming off as a giant hypocrite, right?

Hypocrisy and logic never stopped him before.

 

[The T]

And I don't mind people demanding they shut the Hell UP...and get a damned job.

You do understand you can't complain in one breath that there are no jobs due to President Obama and his "socialist" policies and then in the next breath demand that anyone who's unemployed go get a job without coming off as a giant hypocrite, right?

I understand it fully...and why Obama needs to be defeated...as do any and all Statists in the Congess that are standing in the way and refuse to get thier jackboots of regulation OFF the necks of business so these people CAN get employed.

ALL are responsible for it. And YOU do realize this too don't you...

Nice try young pup.

You FAIL.

 

[Vast LWC]

I understand it fully...and why Obama needs to be defeated...as do any and all Statists in the Congess that are standing in the way and refuse to get thier jackboots of regulation OFF the necks of business so these people CAN get employed.

ALL are responsible for it. And YOU do realize this too don't you...

Nice try young pup.

You FAIL.

Ah, yes, of course, take away regulation. That's the answer.

Because that didn't give us the trade imbalances we currently face, thanks to NAFTA, which was after all a removal of regulations on international trade.

That also obviously didn't make the recent mortgage crisis 100 times worse, thanks to the banking deregulation of 1994 and 2000.

Obviously, we should take away any kind of industrial regulation so 8-year-olds can work in sweatshops for 20 cents an hour. Those damn brats are too damn lazy anyway. Plus we can help the world over-population problem by spewing various industrial poisons into the water supply!

Yes, deregulation is obviously the answer to all our troubles. Why, that combined with tort reform and the Supreme Court's recent decision to make corporations people, and the decision to not allow people to have class action suits anymore, will FINALLY leave the corporations unfettered, and allow them to enslave the small percentage of the population they allow to keep on living.

That's a fantastic plan. Just fantastic.

 

[Vast LWC]

Oh, and T, Fascism comes from CORPORATISM, not from socialism. Socialism just leads to socialism. Sometimes communism.

And T, Fascism is also a "Statist" form of government.

Oh, but wait, that was Mussolini that said that. Clearly, when it came to fascism, Benito had no clue what he was talking about.

 

[paulitician]

I think many are just living in denial. I guess that is much easier. 'Generation Gimme' is real and it is a huge problem. People better start facing that.

 

[Vast LWC]

I think many are just living in denial. I guess that is much easier. 'Generation Gimme' is real and it is a huge problem. People better start facing that.

Dude, you are seriously bad at this.

You should really remove the picture of Dr Paul from your avatar.

Dr Paul knows how to debate, he doesn't just repeat his original point over and over.