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Well, again, do women have children outside of wedlock because they're more free to do so, or because of some policy?
So, years ago a woman who had a child out of wedlock was shunned. Yes, it's not exactly a nice affair, but it happened then and it happens now. We're in a world of more freedom, and you're suggesting that this freedom is a bad thing, and is as a result of liberal policy. What?
It's funny, because the argument that guns should not be taken away, even though they destroy lives, is that they give freedom. So....
However I agree with you about food stamps. The idea in principle is not a bad one, however there's a big problem with it and no one will do away with it. To say it's a liberal policy when Congress was totally Republican for 10 of 12 years between 1995 and 2007 and with a Republican president from 2000 onwards, is a little rich to say in the least.
I disagree with your rose tinted glasses view of the world. You say "before liberalism", well, the founding fathers, in the majority, were liberals. So, you're talking before when exactly? The reality is that liberalism is a relative thing, you can't have "before liberalism" because if you only have two men, one will be liberal and the other conservative.
The fact is people had pride, not the slaves they didn't, not the people who worked 16 hour days, 7 days a week, the reality is that things have changed, there are problems with BOTH liberalism and conservatism, and they have come together to form an alliance that is destroying the country.
I think you need to look far more at reality, rather than trying to blame liberalism for the problems. Get away from liberalism and conservatism, and look at solutions. Taking the partisan line, then shouting that the other side is bad while ignoring your own side, and all that crap, is a waste of time. Thinking about policies and how they can work or not work is the way forward.
There are a lot of policies that would work great in this country, but it's liberals that would object to them as they always have.
I never said policy made single motherhood acceptable, I said liberal environment did. A pregnant high school girl gets a party in school for getting knocked up. It's no longer shameful, it's festive. It's part of taking God out of our society which of course, liberals accept and promote.
The firearms debate has nothing to do with freedom, it has to do with the Constitution and the right to defend yourself with equal or greater force. As for Republican policy, Welfare Reform was born from the Republican Congress and at the time, had great success.
The problem with liberalism is that it always sides with evil compared to conservatism which mostly sides with good. When evil is promoted in society, you get evil results. When you replace a father with a welfare check and kids grow up with one parent, lurking in the streets, ending up shot dead by police, that's evil and that's what liberalism supports.
Again, you're going off liberal bashing. I'm not really interested. You've come at me with lots of liberal bashing and then I've explained it and you've seen it's not the case.
You say a "liberal environment" made things acceptable. Maybe. But you'd go back to a "conservative environment" of 12 hours days, no days off, no spare cash, hand to mouth, death if you lose your job etc etc? I don't think so. I've been to poor conservative countries. I've seen what it's like, and I really don't think you want that.
Taking God out of society? Well, don't people have that freedom? I mean, it was enshrined in the CONSTITUTION. Then you're saying that the Constitution protects guns, that it's not about freedom. Come on, we've go the contradictions again.
"The problem with liberalism...." look, again, there are problems with ideologies, problems with most ways of thinking, problems with conservatism, why not lets look at getting rid of the problems? Screw ideologies, screw left and right wing, let's look at what WORKS and what doesn't and make sure things WORK.