Gay statists strike again...you will submit!!!!

[Quantum Windbag]

The petitioned the commission, and they are getting compensated, That's suing, and the use of semantics does nothing to hide that fact.

They got the State to sue FOR them, which is even worse.

Nope....they were fined for breaking a state law. The couple did not sue them....they reported them. Do you have a problem with someone reporting a law being broken?

They did not break a law, if they had the would have gone to criminal court. The were fined because there are unconstitutional regulations that are considered to be law by people who think that we should have a king instead of a president.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".

It's a full-time business.

Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze

Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It was unquestionable that the premises normally rented out for receptions was rented to this lesbian couple. The couple wanted to invade the private home to have the wedding in their living room. Occasionally the family home has been used for weddings. This should not make it a public space any more than my giving dinner parties makes my dining room a restaurant.

Giving a dinner party in your living room doesn't make it a place of Public Accommodation.


Operating a business out of your living room, kitchen, and dinning room by advertizing and using it as part of your business does make it more akin to a restaurant. If they don't want to rent their living spaces, they are under no obligation to do so. However IF THEY CHOOSE to do so, then it fell under New Yorks Public Accommodation law since they were using it for business purposes.

Don't want it to fall under the law? Not a problem, don't make it part of the business.


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Only if you believe that the state has the ******* power to invade your home.

So...if you run a food service out of your home, you don't think the state has the right to send in, rather invade your home, with health dept. inspectors?

If you visit their website, their indoor venue was a converted barn.


See the previous picture I posted. Post #87.


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[shart_attack]

The government, and companies that do business with the government should be equal in all matters. People, especially people who provide services that are not necessities, and are contracted out should be able to refuse anyone they want to. The state is basically enforcing morality here, and its a morality that isn't agreed upon with an overriding majority.

The only resulting harm to the aggrieved parties is having to find another place to patronize and their feewings being injured. This isn't the South before the 60's where whole towns were divided, where separate was 100% unequal, and where government was enforcing the separation.

Let's use me as an example. I'm a private citizen, not a business owner of any sort. Two or three times every week I bake cookies and cupcakes for the apt community (we're a round building and facing inwards my unit and everyone else's feels very much like an enclosed micro-community with all the rec stuff on the interior like pool, tennis courts, etc.) I try to give em out to everyone who wants one, and have never said no if asked for one. But I don't offer them to everyone. Some people don't need any more cookies or cupcakes shall we say. But because I'm not selling them, nor operating a home-run business I can offer them or withhold them at will. I'd never say no though even to fat people (they know they're fat, it's their call.) But I"m fully within my rights to do so.

But if I ran a business, had a business license, was subject to health inspections and codes and laws, I'd expect to be fully under obligation to sell them to everyone regardless. If part of this business was a store I wouldn't be able to refuse service to people I didn't like if doing so violated their civil rights. As it is though, here in Missouri there are no equal rights for LGBT so presumedly I could. But if a state has such equality then you can't. Without looking I'm gonna assume New York state has such equality. So if you're running an actual business, your services or goods or accomodations must be available for everyone, simple as that. You want the tax breaks and all that goodies that goes with owening a legal business you gotta play by the state's rules.

No I do not, I am perfectly free to ignore the state laws, just like the people in Feguson who loot the stores.

That, dear idiot, is called free will.

Yep.

It's also why we would both go to jail in Ferguson for looting, if the po-pos caught us.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be in the same cell-block as Delta4Embassy would be, though. For his price-gouging on the cookies he's been selling, of course, you know.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

none of these things are public accommodations. Public accommodation is when you walk into a store to buy something, or stay at a hotel, or get on a mode of transport. A small business that is contracted out on a per use basis is not publicly accommodating anything.

Since when is a publicly advertised wedding venue not "public"?

What proof do you have that the wedding venue is advertised to the public? Keep in mind that the link you provided does not offer the wedding venue that is part of the complaint. Even if it is advertised, how does that actually make a living room in a private home public property?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".

It's a full-time business.

Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze

Just to be clear, your link mentions barn weddings and tent weddings, not weddings in the private house, which is what the couple says they were denied.

No, the couple says they were denied the right to have the ceremony there at all.

The only mention of it being in a "house" was made by the woman to justify why she denied them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From their website:

Do you need help planning your wedding? We have taken the leg work out of the planning process. Let us relieve the stress of arranging your wedding day. Choose the venue, catering package and floral option, right here on the farm with one of our wedding coordinators

Our experienced team is ready to help you create a memorable experience for both you and your guests. Call XXX-XXX-XXXX to reserve your date now, or contact us.

Still wanna claim this isn't a "public business"?

I didn't see any mention of their living room in that post, did I miss it, or are you simply blindly defending the government?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Can you just walk in, or do you need an invitation to attend?

A grocery store is a public accommodation, a hotel is a public accommodation, someone offering services on their property under contract, or their own services under contract is a public accommodation only in the minds of people who want to use government to gain forced acceptance.

Um, no.

Public accommodation laws apply to all businesses that are open to the public.

You need a reservation at restaurants and hotels, too. That doesn't make them "not public".

Wrong again. Even in New York state you can have a business that is not a public accommodation.

http://www.dhr.ny.gov/sites/default/files/doc/hrl.pdf

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Most take walk-ins if they have a room. and again, the whole concept was of necessary services, ones that do not require said owners to participate in acts with their customers. I have yet to see a business owner refuse to sell stock items to gay couples, what they don't want to do is participate in an event that is against their morals, OR be forced out of business.

You want acceptance via government fiat. It makes you the worst type of people out there.

What are you basing your claims of what "the whole concept" of public accommodation laws are?

And you're welcome to whatever opinion of me you like - but from where I sit, the people who ***** and whine endlessly about how unfair and tyrannical it is to stop them from discriminating against gay people are a lot worse than I am.

History?

Wait, that only matters if you agree with it, right?

 

[NLT]

Who would want a bunch of bull dykes in their home anyway.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Either we have equal rights for all in this country or we should quit saying we do. Whether it's gays, blacks, women, or some religious group if you get turned away because of who you are, what you are, or how you worship you're gonna raise a stink about it. And rightly so.

Actually, IMHO, the government shouldn't be involved at all. Private businesses should be able to accept or deny customers based on whatever criteria they choose. Such customers would also have the right to spread the word through protests, online review sites, emails, etc. describing how they were treated. It should be up to the parties involved.

On the other hand I'm still able to discuss the reality of what the law says as opposed to what I believe the law should be. Some don't have that ability.


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Yet you keep misrepresenting the law.

FYI, the "law" that was used here was never put to a vote by the legislature of New York, it was decreed from on high by the executive branch of the state government. That is not how the law is supposed to work in this country, and why I will refuse to comply with any such decree.

 

[g5000]

Wrong again. Even in New York state you can have a business that is not a public accommodation.

http://www.dhr.ny.gov/sites/default/files/doc/hrl.pdf

From your own link:

The term "place of public accommodation, resort or amusement" shall include, except as
hereinafter specified, all places included in the meaning of such terms as: inns, taverns, road
houses, hotels, motels, whether conducted for the entertainment of transient guests or for the
accommodation of those seeking health, recreation or rest, or restaurants, or eating houses, or
any place where food is sold for consumption on the premises; buffets, saloons, barrooms, or any store, park or enclosure where spirituous or malt liquors are sold; ice cream parlors,
confectionaries, soda fountains, and all stores where ice cream, ice and fruit preparations or their derivatives, or where beverages of any kind are retailed for consumption on the premises;
wholesale and retail stores and establishments dealing with goods or services of any kind,
dispensaries, clinics, hospitals, bath-houses, swimming pools, laundries and all other cleaning
establishments, barber shops, beauty parlors, theatres, motion picture houses, airdromes, roof
gardens, music halls, race courses, skating rinks, amusement and recreation parks, trailer camps, resort camps, fairs, bowling alleys, golf courses, gymnasiums, shooting galleries, billiard and pool parlors; garages, all public conveyances operated on land or water or in the air, as well as the stations and terminals thereof; travel or tour advisory services, agencies or bureaus; public
halls and public elevators of buildings and structures occupied by two or more tenants, or by the
owner and one or more tenants.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Does anyone really think a homo bar would be forced to accommodate a private party for the Westboro Baptist church?

You do know that the law is on the side of the Westboro Baptist Church in that regard, right?

Do you understand that that is a perfect example of why the "law" is wrong?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Just to make it clear: This was not a "private home", or "occasionally rented out for weddings".

It's a full-time business.

Here's the website: Fall fun on the farm! | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield MazeSaratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze | Saratoga Fall Family Fun, Pumpkin Picking, Cornfield Maze

Herer is another story on the issue -->> Farm Is Fined for Refusal to Hold Same-Sex Wedding | New York Law Journal


Ohhh and here is a picture of their indoor venue....

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That's quite a "private home", isn't it?

I have seen private homes that are even more elegant than that, should they be forced to host weddings simply because you think they are fancy?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From the hack partisan link in the OP:

This is outrageous. Just because there's an occasional weddiing (sic) ceremony performed in their house doesn't make it "public."

This is just one gigantic willful lie.

In reality, it is a business that has a web site prominently advertising their wedding business.

There are several Ceremony Sites nestled on the 100 acre grounds.

The partisan hack in the OP must have a different definition of "occasional" than the rest of us do. The hack also claimed these ceremonies are performed on the first floor of the house. Not so fast, dickweed. "There are several Ceremony Sites nestled on the 100 acre grounds."

Do you need help planning your wedding? We have taken the leg work out of the planning process. Let us relieve the stress of arranging your wedding day. Choose the venue, catering package and floral option, right here on the farm with one of our wedding coordinators

Wedding coordinators!


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Are you talking about the website that repeatedly mentions barn and tent weddings, but never once mentions an indoor venue like the house?

You really should pay attention to details before you try to declare yourself the victor in an argument that you barely comprehend.

 

[Rikurzhen]

So much for gays not invading private homes.

When you rent out your living room for wedding receptions and parties, your living room is no longer a "private home". The selling of that space makes it closer to a restaurant, inn, or meeting hall.


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It doesn't matter - it is still COMPELLED association. What we're dealing with here is a body of law which assaults human rights. There's no getting around that. As more and more human rights assaults take place, the pressure to overturn public accommodation law will increase and the courts will have a difficult time justifying how an orderly commercial environment MUST take precedence over respect for human rights.

What is so hard to comprehend here - I don't want to associate with YOU, so you getting government to force me to associate with you is government trampling over my human rights.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Go right ahead!


I bet that wasn't the response you thought you would get.

Yup...and I'll add that Federal Law prohibits the atheist from refusing to serve (or bake the cake for or photograph the wedding of) the Christian.

Federal law does no such thing, but thanks for declaring your ignorance.

 

[Rikurzhen]

It was unquestionable that the premises normally rented out for receptions was rented to this lesbian couple. The couple wanted to invade the private home to have the wedding in their living room. Occasionally the family home has been used for weddings. This should not make it a public space any more than my giving dinner parties makes my dining room a restaurant.

Giving a dinner party in your living room doesn't make it a place of Public Accommodation.


Operating a business out of your living room, kitchen, and dinning room by advertizing and using it as part of your business does make it more akin to a restaurant. If they don't want to rent their living spaces, they are under no obligation to do so. However IF THEY CHOOSE to do so, then it fell under New Yorks Public Accommodation law since they were using it for business purposes.

Don't want it to fall under the law? Not a problem, don't make it part of the business.


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Two can play at that game - don't want to be discriminated against due to homosexuality, then don't be homosexual in public.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Just like the bakers and photographers...they could have gone somewhere else...but as long as there is one person who does not agree with their lifestyle on religious grounds...they will not stop...and they will punish them....like us or pay the consequences...

Either we have equal rights for all in this country or we should quit saying we do. Whether it's gays, blacks, women, or some religious group if you get turned away because of who you are, what you are, or how you worship you're gonna raise a stink about it. And rightly so.

You can't force people to respect you and you shouldn't force them to associate with you. There is no EQUAL RIGHT to being respected. There is no EQUAL RIGHT to association - that would upset a lot of women who turn down men for dates.

 

[g5000]

From the hack partisan link in the OP:

This is outrageous. Just because there's an occasional weddiing (sic) ceremony performed in their house doesn't make it "public."

This is just one gigantic willful lie.

In reality, it is a business that has a web site prominently advertising their wedding business.

There are several Ceremony Sites nestled on the 100 acre grounds.

The partisan hack in the OP must have a different definition of "occasional" than the rest of us do. The hack also claimed these ceremonies are performed on the first floor of the house. Not so fast, dickweed. "There are several Ceremony Sites nestled on the 100 acre grounds."

Do you need help planning your wedding? We have taken the leg work out of the planning process. Let us relieve the stress of arranging your wedding day. Choose the venue, catering package and floral option, right here on the farm with one of our wedding coordinators

Wedding coordinators!


.

Are you talking about the website that repeatedly mentions barn and tent weddings, but never once mentions an indoor venue like the house?

You really should pay attention to details before you try to declare yourself the victor in an argument that you barely comprehend.

What magical quality does an advertised wedding business acquire if it is indoors, oh brilliant one?

And you seem to believe barns are not "indoor venues", even though the barn is plainly listed under their Indoor Wedding section. BWA-HA-HA-HA!