gangland nation

[strollingbones]

My Way News - Minneapolis struggles with rise of Somali gangs

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Ahmednur Ali's family fled the chaos and violence of their West African homeland Somalia in the 1990s, eventually making their way to Minnesota like thousands of their compatriots.

While many of the estimated 32,000 Somalis who settled in the state have struggled to adapt, Ali flourished, blazing a path to Minneapolis' Augsburg College on a soccer scholarship by age 20. He studied political science and aspired to a political career modeled on President Barack Obama's.

He was shot and killed last September outside a busy community center where he worked part-time as a youth counselor, and prosecutors said the 16-year-old accused of killing him was part of a gang.

Ali was one of seven Minneapolis-area Somali men killed over a 10-month period, and authorities believe all were killed by fellow Somalis. Police say it's too simple to tie all the killings to Somali gangs, which have lured hundreds of young community members to their ranks in recent years.


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as gang activity grows and more gangs are formed...what is the solution to the major problem of inner cities...gangland activities? the police have lost control of the inner cities....these people live like animals and use deadly force...why are we permitting vipers in our mist? what should be done at this point?

 

[editec]

My Way News - Minneapolis struggles with rise of Somali gangs

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Ahmednur Ali's family fled the chaos and violence of their West African homeland Somalia in the 1990s, eventually making their way to Minnesota like thousands of their compatriots.

While many of the estimated 32,000 Somalis who settled in the state have struggled to adapt, Ali flourished, blazing a path to Minneapolis' Augsburg College on a soccer scholarship by age 20. He studied political science and aspired to a political career modeled on President Barack Obama's.

He was shot and killed last September outside a busy community center where he worked part-time as a youth counselor, and prosecutors said the 16-year-old accused of killing him was part of a gang.

Ali was one of seven Minneapolis-area Somali men killed over a 10-month period, and authorities believe all were killed by fellow Somalis. Police say it's too simple to tie all the killings to Somali gangs, which have lured hundreds of young community members to their ranks in recent years.


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as gang activity grows and more gangs are formed...what is the solution to the major problem of inner cities...gangland activities? the police have lost control of the inner cities....these people live like animals and use deadly force...why are we permitting vipers in our mist? what should be done at this point?

A two-fold appraoch, I think.

1. Put enough police on the streets to get control back fromt he gangs, and;

2. give the kids who are not involved in gangs some hope that they have a chance in hell of getting out of the ghettos by getting honest jobs that pay something approching a living wage

I doubt we have the political will or the economic system capable of to doing either, incidently.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Its jihad.

 

[ba1614]

Make room in the prisons by releasing the non-violent weed smokers and let them pay their debt in a more reasonable manner. Then lock these fuckin' gangbangers up!!

 

[mal]

Its jihad.

Allah Akbar!... Barry is Good!



peace...

 

[editec]

Make room in the prisons by releasing the non-violent weed smokers and let them pay their debt in a more reasonable manner. Then lock these fuckin' gangbangers up!!

Good idea generally, but what debt do we stoners owe society, exactly?

None that I can think of.

Most of us smoke to make you non-stoners seem much smarter that most of you are, ya know.

And what thanks do we get for our troubles?

 

[ba1614]

Make room in the prisons by releasing the non-violent weed smokers and let them pay their debt in a more reasonable manner. Then lock these fuckin' gangbangers up!!

Good idea generally, but what debt do we stoners owe society, exactly?

None that I can think of.

Most of us smoke to make you non-stoners seem much smarter that most of you are, ya know.

And what thanks do we get for our troubles?

I couldn't agree more, I should have added "..if it's deemed what they are doing is illegal.". I personally think prohibition is idiotic, and a failed policy.

 

[editec]

Make room in the prisons by releasing the non-violent weed smokers and let them pay their debt in a more reasonable manner. Then lock these fuckin' gangbangers up!!

Good idea generally, but what debt do we stoners owe society, exactly?

None that I can think of.

Most of us smoke to make you non-stoners seem much smarter that most of you are, ya know.

And what thanks do we get for our troubles?

I couldn't agree more, I should have added "..if it's deemed what they are doing is illegal.". I personally think prohibition is idiotic, and a failed policy.

It's not merely a failed policy, it's an immoral policy.

A complete violation of our rights as individuals.

If we don't own our bodies what do we own?

 

[Mad Scientist]

If we don't own our bodies what do we own?

So if a prostitute gave you AIDS would you say that was within his rights to not disclose that fact? Would it be a "victimless crime"?

 

[ba1614]

Good idea generally, but what debt do we stoners owe society, exactly?

None that I can think of.

Most of us smoke to make you non-stoners seem much smarter that most of you are, ya know.

And what thanks do we get for our troubles?

I couldn't agree more, I should have added "..if it's deemed what they are doing is illegal.". I personally think prohibition is idiotic, and a failed policy.

It's not merely a failed policy, it's an immoral policy.

A complete violation of our rights as individuals.

If we don't own our bodies what do we own?

I'll agree with ya that prohibition is wrong, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[GHook93]

Make room in the prisons by releasing the non-violent weed smokers and let them pay their debt in a more reasonable manner. Then lock these fuckin' gangbangers up!!

Give me a break! Home many pot smokers are in prison! Not many! Drug Dealer, usu of hard drugs like cocaine and heroine are in jail!

 

[ba1614]

If we don't own our bodies what do we own?

So if a prostitute gave you AIDS would you say that was within his rights to not disclose that fact? Would it be a "victimless crime"?

Seriously? you think that analogy is even close to what editec said?

 

[chanel]

I think the subject may have changed here but... Most gangs recruit teenagers. Our juvenile justice system has to be fixed. I know gang members that have committed everything from stabbings to muggings of senior citizens. Their punishment? Go to school.

 

[GHook93]

Make education more about intelligence and not about where you live. Segregate kids on intelligence and behavior. Sorry Little Johnny and Peter not all kids are the same!

Start education early at age 4, hold the parents responsible if there child doesn't go to school. From age 4-8 the children are taught, tested, recorded and observed. It will not be the teachers job to make recommendations, rather specialist who observe, record and test. The children start to get segregated by intelligence and behavior. Then have various schools for each level sysetmatically located throughout the state. Here is the break down

Special Levels
(1) Genius level
(2) Extreme Bad Behavior

Good Behavior
(1) High Intelligence
(2) Lower intelligence

Bad Behavior
(1) Higher intelligence
(2) Lower intelligence

Then gear each institution to the child. Genius level obvious concentrate on high end mathematics, science etc. Good Behavior and lower intelligence concentrate on skills that will help them once they hit the job market. Bad Behavior levels have more structured classes and focus a lot on discipline.

The extreme cases are military like boarding school. They get a drill saregent like atmosphere. Sorry but extreme tough love is needed for extreme bad behavior. Note that nothing is set in stone, bad behavior can jump to good behavior school and vice versa. Lower intelligence can jump to high intelligence and vice versa. Extreme bad behavior can work their way up the ladder also and vice versa!

The effort here is to segregate the kids out that cause destructive learning envirnoment. And award children access to schools based on intelligence and behavior rather than where they live!

 

[Big Black Dog]

as gang activity grows and more gangs are formed...what is the solution to the major problem of inner cities...gangland activities? the police have lost control of the inner cities....these people live like animals and use deadly force...why are we permitting vipers in our mist? what should be done at this point?

I know I'm going to catch some heat for this comment but I've got a teflon layered back so it will all slide right off... We need to take our cities and rural areas back from the gangs. They are violent criminals that think nothing about taking human life without a second thought. They thrive because of their illegal activities and it's a pretty well-known fact. This is how I think the problem should be solved. Make it widely known that beginning at 7:00 am, on August 1st, 2009, all known gang members, and people associated with the gang members (enablers) will be hunted down like dogs by the police, and military units, and be killed on sight. Go from city to city, area to area within America and eliminate the problem. Make it very clear that any person known to be associated with a street gang will be killed on sight by the authorities. In essence, time to go to war with them.

 

[pete]

I think the subject may have changed here but... Most gangs recruit teenagers. Our juvenile justice system has to be fixed. I know gang members that have committed everything from stabbings to muggings of senior citizens. Their punishment? Go to school.

On the right track, but it comes down to PARENTS making sure their kids are responsible law abiding citizens. The lack of bad or good is part of what drives kids to gangs as well ass thug role models with stupid ass bling.

 

[mal]

I think the subject may have changed here but... Most gangs recruit teenagers. Our juvenile justice system has to be fixed. I know gang members that have committed everything from stabbings to muggings of senior citizens. Their punishment? Go to school.

On the right track, but it comes down to PARENTS making sure their kids are responsible law abiding citizens. The lack of bad or good is part of what drives kids to gangs as well ass thug role models with stupid ass bling.

Well, Parent(s) is the Question...

If they are Lucky to have a Baby Daddy in their Life, it's not Usually a Quality Role Model...

It's Sad that so Many in these Communities have had to be Raised in that Shit the DemocRATS have Fostered for so Many Generations.

They Deserve a Fair Chance, not just Empty Promises for Votes.



peace...

 

[PuckeredPete]

Make education more about intelligence and not about where you live. Segregate kids on intelligence and behavior. Sorry Little Johnny and Peter not all kids are the same!

Start education early at age 4, hold the parents responsible if there child doesn't go to school. From age 4-8 the children are taught, tested, recorded and observed. It will not be the teachers job to make recommendations, rather specialist who observe, record and test. The children start to get segregated by intelligence and behavior. Then have various schools for each level sysetmatically located throughout the state. Here is the break down

Special Levels
(1) Genius level
(2) Extreme Bad Behavior

Good Behavior
(1) High Intelligence
(2) Lower intelligence

Bad Behavior
(1) Higher intelligence
(2) Lower intelligence

Then gear each institution to the child. Genius level obvious concentrate on high end mathematics, science etc. Good Behavior and lower intelligence concentrate on skills that will help them once they hit the job market. Bad Behavior levels have more structured classes and focus a lot on discipline.

The extreme cases are military like boarding school. They get a drill saregent like atmosphere. Sorry but extreme tough love is needed for extreme bad behavior. Note that nothing is set in stone, bad behavior can jump to good behavior school and vice versa. Lower intelligence can jump to high intelligence and vice versa. Extreme bad behavior can work their way up the ladder also and vice versa!

The effort here is to segregate the kids out that cause destructive learning envirnoment. And award children access to schools based on intelligence and behavior rather than where they live!

I like your idea but it would never work.

 

[William Joyce]

A two-fold appraoch, I think.

1. Put enough police on the streets to get control back fromt he gangs, and;

2. give the kids who are not involved in gangs some hope that they have a chance in hell of getting out of the ghettos by getting honest jobs that pay something approching a living wage

I doubt we have the political will or the economic system capable of to doing either, incidently.

How about the one-fold approach of NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY?

 

[PuckeredPete]

A two-fold appraoch, I think.

1. Put enough police on the streets to get control back fromt he gangs, and;

2. give the kids who are not involved in gangs some hope that they have a chance in hell of getting out of the ghettos by getting honest jobs that pay something approching a living wage

I doubt we have the political will or the economic system capable of to doing either, incidently.

How about the one-fold approach of NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY?

Because all gangs are foreigners.