Gang members lie on Federal Background check forms, get guns illegally....gun control works?

[JoeB131]

Fine, 9 years ago OCD Joe. Same point.

We've had hundreds of mass shootings since, same point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We've had hundreds of mass shootings since, same point.

Not of children that end up in body bags. That happens on the streets in liberal places like you and I live in.

 

[JoeB131]

Not of children that end up in body bags. That happens on the streets in liberal places like you and I live in.

You mean, places with people in them?

So why haven't you moved out of your slum to one of these supposedly nice places?

(Incidentally, suburb I live in has a very low crime rate.)

 

[woodwork201]

While Trump did manage to kill 700,000 people, you can't blame the voters for that one, they said no.

Trump killed 700,00 people? More people died from the China Virus after Biden took office than did during the Trump administration. And Biden started with 3 vaccines ready to go. And those who died during the Trump administration were killed by leftists, not Trump. Either the Communist Chinese killed them or, for those who might otherwise have survived, the left killed them by denying treatment that could have saved their lives. No, 700000 deaths are on Biden, either directly or as China's paid enabler.

 

[woodwork201]

Again, only a matter of time before we start doing it, buddy. The rest of us are sick of watching small children being wheeled out in body bags.




Ah, when all else fails, be a racist. I'm hoping you don't go shooting up Happy Ending Massage Parlors like that other racist did to get the evil Chinese.

Just any day now, the left is going to start caring about babies being shot in their mother's arms. You be sure to let us know when that day comes, OK? Because we've been waiting for decades and, so far, that day hasn't arrived. No one knows the day and the hour in which the left will care more about babies than about their communist agenda.

Your suggestion that any criticism of China is based on the race of the people who live there is simply asinine. We're not blaming Orientals from Japan, Korea, Vietnam, or other nations. It's not the race, it's the actions. You're such a racist that you only see race in everything - which is why you're missing the threats because you can't see past the race.

 

[maybelooking]

People speed all the time......speed limits work?

____________________
341 days of orange whining

we should start fining those who obey the speed limit to punish them for the actions of the law breakers!!

that's how gun control works!!!

 

[JoeB131]

Your suggestion that any criticism of China is based on the race of the people who live there is simply asinine. We're not blaming Orientals from Japan, Korea, Vietnam, or other nations. It's not the race, it's the actions. You're such a racist that you only see race in everything - which is why you're missing the threats because you can't see past the race.

Okay, guy, when you refer to Asian people as "Orientals", you really don't get to deny your racism.

 

[2aguy]

We've had hundreds of mass shootings since, same point.

No...we haven't....gang members, who you seem to love......shooting each other are not mass public shootings.......you have to include them in order to scare uninformed people into giving you power...

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Total killed in each mass public shooting....

Keep in mind....

Deer kill 200 people a year.

Ladders kill 300 people a year.

Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 people a year.

Bathtubs kill 350 people a year...

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760


Someone drowns in a tub nearly every day in America

2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

we should start fining those who obey the speed limit to punish them for the actions of the law breakers!!

that's how gun control works!!!

Actually......

If you want to use gun grabber logic....

Since so many people speed.....all cars must be banned and confiscated....

Cars killed 39,107 people in 2019......

 

[JoeB131]

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.

Why is four dead a magic number? Why not three. Or two? Why does anyone have to die at all if there are lot of wounded?

I mean, I get why you want to define it down buddy. Makes it all look a lot less bad than it actually is.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually......

If you want to use gun grabber logic....

Since so many people speed.....all cars must be banned and confiscated....

Cars killed 39,107 people in 2019......

Wow, do you keep running the same lame arguments hoping they'll work this time?

Cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But if you want guns regulated like cars, I'm all for mandating licensing, strict policing, mandatory insurance and confiscation of your car if you are an irresponsible twit.

(This is the part where you whine, BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!!"

 

[woodwork201]

Okay, guy, when you refer to Asian people as "Orientals", you really don't get to deny your racism.

Wrong, once again. There are different races of people in Asia and to lump them all together, pretending there are no differences, denying their race, is racist, racist. Using a word that describes the general set of people within Asia, the oriental people - orient means East, idiot -

Orient : regions or countries lying to the east of a specified or implied point : the eastern regions or countries of the world : EAST sense 2 —formerly understood to include regions (such as the Middle East) lying to the east and southeast of southern Europe but now usually understood to refer to regions and countries of eastern Asia​

Many improperly refer orientals as occidentals but occident means west.

If Orient means East, or East Asia in common use, then a person who lives in East Asia is Oriental just as a person who lives in the Americas is American.

The Wikipedia article on Oriental actually states that some people, like you, are offended when the word is used to refer some people from East Asia. What the article fails to mention is that the "some people" who are offended are a bunch of American, white, elitist, leftist, Americans. Sort of like the Washington Redskins. No Native American or American Indian was offended at the honor of having a team of athletes use them as the warrior symbol of a sports team; only leftist, white, privileged, elitist, Democrats were offended.

Take your offense and stick it up your lily-white ass.

 

[2aguy]

Why is four dead a magic number? Why not three. Or two? Why does anyone have to die at all if there are lot of wounded?

I mean, I get why you want to define it down buddy. Makes it all look a lot less bad than it actually is.

Ask the FBI. They created the definition you fucking dumb ass. It was 4 dead, and then obama ordered that it be lowered to 3 since they didnt have enough mass public shootings at 4.

 

[2aguy]

Wow, do you keep running the same lame arguments hoping they'll work this time?

Cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But if you want guns regulated like cars, I'm all for mandating licensing, strict policing, mandatory insurance and confiscation of your car if you are an irresponsible twit.

(This is the part where you whine, BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!!"

Now that I have called you out for voting for the actual political party of the slave rapists, you stopped calling the Founders slave rapists….. you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Wow, do you keep running the same lame arguments hoping they'll work this time?

Cars aren't designed to kill people. Guns are.

But if you want guns regulated like cars, I'm all for mandating licensing, strict policing, mandatory insurance and confiscation of your car if you are an irresponsible twit.

(This is the part where you whine, BUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!!"

Those arguments show you to be the idiot you are…..you want guns banned when cars kill more people….you have no logical argument

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, once again. There are different races of people in Asia and to lump them all together, pretending there are no differences, denying their race, is racist, racist. Using a word that describes the general set of people within Asia, the oriental people - orient means East, idiot -

Wow, we knew you'd try to justify your racism..

'Oriental': Rugs, Not People

It's an adjective that used to describe rugs, not people. That's the message New York Gov. David Paterson turned into law this week when he signed a bill that bans state documents from using the term "oriental" when referring to people of Asian or Pacific heritage. Jeff Yang, an Asian Pop...

www.npr.org

Ask the FBI. They created the definition you fucking dumb ass. It was 4 dead, and then obama ordered that it be lowered to 3 since they didnt have enough mass public shootings at 4.

Again, the FBI is really good at trying to understate crime in this country... so they don't look as inept as they are.

Now that I have called you out for voting for the actual political party of the slave rapists, you stopped calling the Founders slave rapists….. you idiot.

No, I just didn't say it in that sentence... I'll keep using that phrase for years to come, trust me.

I was just trying to imitate your inevitable whiny response to the kind of sane gun laws that would probably exclude... you.

 

[Abatis]

I mean, I get why you want to define it down buddy. Makes it all look a lot less bad than it actually is.

No matter which numbers you use it is an indictment of leftist gun policy.

If one uses the restrictive Mother Jones criteria *, there just aren't enough shootings to generate hysteria in the gen-pop (125 "mass shootings" in 39 years).

There are other organizations that use different criteria, they might add a few more but it still doesn't give the anti's the shock headlines they want and need.

Well, the number that has been settled on by most DEMedia and politicians is the tally kept by the Gun Violence Archive ** because that gives the anti-gunner's the easy headlines like "there have been 572 "mass shootings" to date this year" (that's the actual total as of Oct. 18th) or the ubiquitous "there's been a "mass shooting" a day this year" . . .

Problem is, using GVA's number destroys the left's "Whitey on a rampage" narrative because most of those "mass shooting" shooters, are POC's . . . So, anti-gunners are caught in a dilemma; herald the GVA's number, frame it in as shocking manner as you can but whatever you do, don't ever suggest anyone look at the particulars of the incidents!


* Mother Jones criteria: 3+ shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at a public place, excluding gang-related killings

** Gun Violence Archive criteria: a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident.

 

[M14 Shooter]

* Mother Jones criteria: 3+ shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at a public place, excluding gang-related killings

It was 4+ killed; MJ changed it to 3+ to follow along with The Obama administrations change of definition.
He dropped it from 4+ to 3+ because 4+ wasn't generating enough outrage.

 

[JoeB131]

No matter which numbers you use it is an indictment of leftist gun policy.

If one uses the restrictive Mother Jones criteria *, there just aren't enough shootings to generate hysteria in the gen-pop (125 "mass shootings" in 39 years).

Well, I don't. It's a horseshit criteria. Mass shooting should be when more than one person gets shot, and we have hundreds of those a year.

We have 600 mass shootings every year.
We have 16,000 gun homicides
We have 43,000 gun deaths
We have 70,000 gun injuries
We have 400,000 gun crimes committed a year
We have 280 BILLION in economic losses.
We have to build our whole society around the fetish of a minority, from Active Shooter Drills in our schools to Security Doors in our workplaces.

 

[2aguy]

Well, I don't. It's a horseshit criteria. Mass shooting should be when more than one person gets shot, and we have hundreds of those a year.

We have 600 mass shootings every year.
We have 16,000 gun homicides
We have 43,000 gun deaths
We have 70,000 gun injuries
We have 400,000 gun crimes committed a year
We have 280 BILLION in economic losses.
We have to build our whole society around the fetish of a minority, from Active Shooter Drills in our schools to Security Doors in our workplaces.

We don't have 600 mass public shootings every year...you are lying....

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
-------

• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



---------
The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation




Deaths in actual mass public shootings... ( someone do the math and tell us what percent of 10,235 the number 73 equals.....)



2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8