Gaetz “Ukraine Fatigue” Resolution suspends additional military & financial aid to Ukraine & urge combatants to reach a peace agreement immediately

[basquebromance]

Zelensky: "negotiate peace agreement? A president of Ukraine doesn't know the meaning of the word negotiate!"

*Putin nukes Kyiv*

Zelensky: ok ok we will negotiate!

Gaetz introduces resolution to end military and financial aid to Ukraine, urge peace deal

Rep. Matt Gaetz is leading a GOP resolution to call on the Biden administration to end additional financial and military aid for Ukraine. and calling for a peace deal.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

Reagan would call Gaetz a supporter of our enemies.

 

[DBA]

America is in a state of managed decline, and it will exacerbate if we continue to hemorrhage taxpayer dollars toward a foreign war.

Gaetz introduces resolution to end military and financial aid to Ukraine, urge peace deal

Rep. Matt Gaetz is leading a GOP resolution to call on the Biden administration to end additional financial and military aid for Ukraine. and calling for a peace deal.

www.foxnews.com

And he is right. We can't continue to give money and weapons indefinitely. Basically, Russia is bleeding us dry with their war.

 

[Donald H]

Did you post the wrong link or has there been a switch made to protect foreign policy?

 

[kyzr]

And he is right. We can't continue to give money and weapons indefinitely. Basically, Russia is bleeding us dry with their war.

We are also bleeding Russia dry. So who will say "uncle" first?

I agree its time to negotiate, specially if Ukraine is told privately, "we're getting close to the end of military aid."

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Did you post the wrong link or has there been a switch made to protect foreign policy?

Canada should send the next 10 billion

 

[Donald H]

Canada should send the next 10 billion

I think they've made the link unavailable in Canada.

And fwiw, I wouldn't support sending the Ukraine a nickle.

 

[Donald H]

We are also bleeding Russia dry. So who will say "uncle" first?

I agree its time to negotiate, specially if Ukraine is told privately, "we're getting close to the end of military aid."

We're into a situation now in which Russia is going to demand negotiations on their terms. That which can't be hidden is the Ukraine is being systematically destroyed , their military being slaughtered, and the civilian population leaving.

And Russia is definitely in it for the duration with Putin.

America made a big mistake in thinking that Russia was going to be easy.

But more important than all else, Russia offered a peaceful resolution!

 

[rightwinger]

America is in a state of managed decline, and it will exacerbate if we continue to hemorrhage taxpayer dollars toward a foreign war.

Gaetz introduces resolution to end military and financial aid to Ukraine, urge peace deal

Rep. Matt Gaetz is leading a GOP resolution to call on the Biden administration to end additional financial and military aid for Ukraine. and calling for a peace deal.

www.foxnews.com

Republicans once again support Putin

 

[rightwinger]

But more important than all else, Russia offered a peaceful resolution!

Russian peaceful solution
-You let us keep captured territory
- You stop attacking us
- The West drops sanctions

Ukraine peaceful solution
-Russia withdraws from Ukraine territory
- Russia pays reparations
- Russian war criminals prosecuted

 

[Donald H]

I agree its time to negotiate, specially if Ukraine is told privately, "we're getting close to the end of military aid."

No! Nor even close to the end of America supplying weapons.

Besides the number of Americans fighting in the Ukraine now, the numbers will be increased dramatically. The war now calls for thousands more under the cover of being the mercenary soldiers claim.

This will result in an uptick in Russia's military's lives lost, but there's no chance of breaking their resolve.

 

[kyzr]

We're into a situation now in which Russia is going to demand negotiations on their terms. That which can't be hidden is the Ukraine is being systematically destroyed , their military being slaughtered, and the civilian population leaving.
And Russia is definitely in it for the duration with Putin.
America made a big mistake in thinking that Russia was going to be easy.
But more important than all else, Russia offered a peaceful resolution!

America didn't say Russia would be easy. Russia said Ukraine would be easy, a 3-day war. Russians are leaving Russia rather than fight in Ukraine. The Ukes are solid.
Ukraine is also in it for the duration. So either the Russian economy collapses. Or the Russian army withdraws due to the unsustainable losses.
The US and NATO will support Ukraine, as long as it takes. Its simply a matter of when Putin sees there is no point in continuing the fighting.

Ukraine: A Real Peace Will Require Change from Russia

The United States and its allies are seeking ways to promote a sustainable peace in Europe — one that ends Russia’s brutal assault on Ukraine and strengthens a global prohibition on such wars of aggrandizement. Tragically but realistically, Russia, like most historic imperial powers, will need...

www.usip.org

The United States and Ukraine’s other allies should do what is necessary to help end the war sooner, rather than later, and thus reduce human suffering. But they should seek a realistically sustainable peace, rather than a truce that simply postpones — indeed, virtually guarantees — further war. This means helping Ukraine defeat Russia and working to establish a European security architecture that maintains the peace going forward.

 

[Donald H]

Russian peaceful solution
-You let us keep captured territory
- You stop attacking us
- The West drops sanctions

Ukraine peaceful solution
-Russia withdraws from Ukraine territory
- Russia pays reparations
- Russian war criminals prosecuted

No, more likely that the disputed territories are proclaimed to be neutral and possibly administered by the UN.
But Russia is going to be demanding an ironclad agreement that can't be reneged upon by America.

Even so, the peace will contain facesaving mechanisms for America, and claims of victory. It has to be!

 

[kyzr]

Russian peaceful solution
-You let us keep captured territory
- You stop attacking us
- The West drops sanctions

Ukraine peaceful solution
-Russia withdraws from Ukraine territory
- Russia pays reparations
- Russian war criminals prosecuted

What about Crimea? Could that be the off-ramp if Ukraine gives that up?

 

[Rogue AI]

We are also bleeding Russia dry. So who will say "uncle" first?

I agree its time to negotiate, specially if Ukraine is told privately, "we're getting close to the end of military aid."

That's not actually accurate. Russia is drawing off it's full capacity. The West is drawing off of it's surplus capacity. Two very separate ledgers. Once surplus capacity is used the West either stops supporting Ukraine or draws off it's own military units depleting and denigrating their readiness.

 

[Donald H]

Ukraine is also in it for the duration.

Stop right there my friend. Ukraine is already close to ceasing to exist as a country. Nearly half the people have moved on.

So either the Russian economy collapses. Or the Russian army withdraws due to the unsustainable losses.
The US and NATO will support Ukraine, as long as it takes. Its simply a matter of when Putin sees there is no point in continuing the fighting.

Zelensky is a willing lamb to the slaughter, on behalf of his people. He may never surrender.

This means helping Ukraine defeat Russia and working to establish a European security architecture that maintains the peace going forward.

Russia will nuke Kiev before accepting defeat to America. The Ukraine has nothing to do with it, other than their donation of the battle field.

My comments are for the purpose of facing reality but are second to my interest in a humanitarian peace before the rest of the Ukrain's population are either displaced or killed.

 

[Donald H]

What about Crimea? Could that be the off-ramp if Ukraine gives that up?

Russia wants more than just Crimea!

But the peace is still possible as long as it contains a guarantee to Russia of complete security from further US/nato encroachment.

 

[kyzr]

That's not actually accurate. Russia is drawing off it's full capacity. The West is drawing off of it's surplus capacity. Two very separate ledgers. Once surplus capacity is used the West either stops supporting Ukraine or draws off it's own military units depleting and denigrating their readiness.

The West is re-supplying the items as they are being shipped to Ukraine. I don't know how much time lag there is until the items are fully restored.

 

[kyzr]

Russia wants more than just Crimea!
But the peace is still possible as long as it contains a guarantee to Russia of complete security from further US/nato encroachment.

Nope. Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If they want to join NATO, they can join NATO. But the permanent borders are set at the peace agreement.

 

[Rogue AI]

America didn't say Russia would be easy. Russia said Ukraine would be easy, a 3-day war. Russians are leaving Russia rather than fight in Ukraine. The Ukes are solid.
Ukraine is also in it for the duration. So either the Russian economy collapses. Or the Russian army withdraws due to the unsustainable losses.
The US and NATO will support Ukraine, as long as it takes. Its simply a matter of when Putin sees there is no point in continuing the fighting.

Ukraine: A Real Peace Will Require Change from Russia

The United States and its allies are seeking ways to promote a sustainable peace in Europe — one that ends Russia’s brutal assault on Ukraine and strengthens a global prohibition on such wars of aggrandizement. Tragically but realistically, Russia, like most historic imperial powers, will need...

www.usip.org

The United States and Ukraine’s other allies should do what is necessary to help end the war sooner, rather than later, and thus reduce human suffering. But they should seek a realistically sustainable peace, rather than a truce that simply postpones — indeed, virtually guarantees — further war. This means helping Ukraine defeat Russia and working to establish a European security architecture that maintains the peace going forward.

Do you have a link that states anyone in the Russian government or military ever claimed it would be a quick war? That silly claim was debunked as Ukrainian propaganda long ago. A quick war and long insurgency was the Western goal. Russia watched what happened in Iraq, what makes you think they would use the same strategy in Ukraine? It doesn't even make sense.