Future of the demo party

[Aponi]

It will.take some time at least 2 decades but I see more and more radicals that are socialist neo nazi types like cortez and others taking control of the demo party.

They will convince the moron left and illehals that they will get it all for free and bankrupt America with taxes and debt

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

 

[Aponi]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

While I agee a third party is probally a good thing i have not seen a dramatic change in the republican party as I have seen in the demo party

 

[Votto]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

 

[SNAFUBARIFIC]

Trump isn't establishment...that's why RINOs hate him. He isn't a Ruskie agent, either...that's why the left DESPISE him...

 

[SNAFUBARIFIC]

The left's model for America has always been the old Soviet Union...they Despise Reagan because he dismantled the damn thing...

 

[Cellblock2429]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

/——/ Isn’t that what the Independent Party is for? They are the majority now.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

/——/ Isn’t that what the Independent Party is for? They are the majority now.

Independents are the majority, yes, but we're not represented by a party.

The duopoly is cemented in place, at least for now.
.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

/——/ Isn’t that what the Independent Party is for? They are the majority now.

Independents are the majority, yes, but we're not represented by a party.

The duopoly is cemented in place, at least for now.
.

/——/ The American Independent Party - The Fastest Growing Political Party In California

 

[Votto]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

Your focus is on the party, as if the party has been corrupted and only need to be replaced with a righteous one.

But the way I see it, the system is the problem.

Our country was started with the Articles of Confederation. It was drafted by men who saw the evils of a centralized system they escaped in Europe, so they drafted a rule of law that gutted centralized control. The problem with it was, it so decentralized the system that they system could not hold together the states. The Articles simply did not fund the federal government enough as Washington aptly coined the problem, "No money"

So then they drafted the US Constitution to empower the Federal government a little more. This worked great until the turn of the Progressive era. It was then that Progressives saw the limitation of centralized control as "holding them back" so they then amended the Constitution. They did such things as let voters vote for Senators rather than states selecting them and they created the Federal Income tax, something that had been struck down as unconstitutional a decade prior, and they created their own bank with the Fed. All of these measures greatly enhanced the power of the US Federal government as we have spiraled downward ever since.

What we have now is a war mongering behemoth that generates the most concentrated amount of wealth in human history.

As we all know, power corrupts, so what are we to expect from this system? Do we really want to believe that a third party is the answer?

No, the answer is to decentralize the system, back to the way it used to be.

But alas, that is regressive, not progressive.

I reckon I should be ashamed.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

Your focus is on the party, as if the party has been corrupted and only need to be replaced with a righteous one.

But the way I see it, the system is the problem.

Our country was started with the Articles of Confederation. It was drafted by men who saw the evils of a centralized system they escaped in Europe, so they drafted a rule of law that gutted centralized control. The problem with it was, it so decentralized the system that they system could not hold together the states. The Articles simply did not fund the federal government enough as Washington aptly coined the problem, "No money"

So then they drafted the US Constitution to empower the Federal government a little more. This worked great until the turn of the Progressive era. It was then that Progressives saw the limitation of centralized control as "holding them back" so they then amended the Constitution. They did such things as let voters vote for Senators rather than states selecting them and they created the Federal Income tax, something that had been struck down as unconstitutional a decade prior, and they created their own bank with the Fed. All of these measures greatly enhanced the power of the US Federal government as we have spiraled downward ever since.

What we have now is a war mongering behemoth that generates the most concentrated amount of wealth in human history.

As we all know, power corrupts, so what are we to expect from this system? Do we really want to believe that a third party is the answer?

No, the answer is to decentralize the system, back to the way it used to be.

But alas, that is regressive, not progressive.

I reckon I should be ashamed.

Such a thing can only ultimately be accomplished through the vote, and so it's up to you and those who agree with you to provide the electorate with a clear and viable alternative.

The problem is, it really does appear that we've lost the capacity to use reason and clarity to convince anyone of anything. We've spent so much time attacking and screaming and not listening that those skills have atrophied.

Use it or lose it, I reckon.
.

 

[NightFox]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

FYI: Mac there are already several moderate/centrist political parties in the U.S., if you believe that therein lies the answer to duopoly tribalism, pick one and good luck with that.
Some examples:
​

• Citizens Party of the United States
• Modern Whig Party
• Unity Party of America

There's also the Coffee Party of America which is more akin to a centrist "movement" like the Tea Party is for Conservatives.

Don't expect much in the way of electoral or political success from any of them, apparently forming new tribes isn't quite the anti-tribalism silver bullet that some people think it is; but I guess it makes people feel better to swim among others that express the same strongly held "views" that they have.

"The choice between political parties fractures our nations yet further, turns our focus on each other, and away from the mechanisms of our systems of government.” ― Haroutioun Bochnakian​

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

FYI: Mac there are already several moderate/centrist political parties in the U.S., if you believe that therein lies the answer to duopoly tribalism, pick one and good luck with that.
Some examples:
​

• Citizens Party of the United States
• Modern Whig Party
• Unity Party of America

There's also the Coffee Party of America which is more akin to a centrist "movement" like the Tea Party is for Conservatives.

Don't expect much in the way of electoral or political success from any of them, apparently forming new tribes isn't quite the anti-tribalism silver bullet that some people think it is; but I guess it makes people feel better to swim among others that express the same strongly held "views" that they have.

"The choice between political parties fractures our nations yet further, turns our focus on each other, and away from the mechanisms of our systems of government.” ― Haroutioun Bochnakian​

Well, I know they're out there, but I did use the word "viable".

Getting from here to there is the trick, and I don't have the answer to that one.
.

 

[NightFox]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

FYI: Mac there are already several moderate/centrist political parties in the U.S., if you believe that therein lies the answer to duopoly tribalism, pick one and good luck with that.
Some examples:
​

• Citizens Party of the United States
• Modern Whig Party
• Unity Party of America

There's also the Coffee Party of America which is more akin to a centrist "movement" like the Tea Party is for Conservatives.

Don't expect much in the way of electoral or political success from any of them, apparently forming new tribes isn't quite the anti-tribalism silver bullet that some people think it is; but I guess it makes people feel better to swim among others that express the same strongly held "views" that they have.

"The choice between political parties fractures our nations yet further, turns our focus on each other, and away from the mechanisms of our systems of government.” ― Haroutioun Bochnakian​

Well, I know they're out there, but I did use the word "viable".

.

What's your vision of "viable" ?

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

FYI: Mac there are already several moderate/centrist political parties in the U.S., if you believe that therein lies the answer to duopoly tribalism, pick one and good luck with that.
Some examples:
​

• Citizens Party of the United States
• Modern Whig Party
• Unity Party of America

There's also the Coffee Party of America which is more akin to a centrist "movement" like the Tea Party is for Conservatives.

Don't expect much in the way of electoral or political success from any of them, apparently forming new tribes isn't quite the anti-tribalism silver bullet that some people think it is; but I guess it makes people feel better to swim among others that express the same strongly held "views" that they have.

"The choice between political parties fractures our nations yet further, turns our focus on each other, and away from the mechanisms of our systems of government.” ― Haroutioun Bochnakian​

Well, I know they're out there, but I did use the word "viable".

.

What's your vision of "viable" ?

In short, a party that can win.
.

 

[Votto]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

Your focus is on the party, as if the party has been corrupted and only need to be replaced with a righteous one.

But the way I see it, the system is the problem.

Our country was started with the Articles of Confederation. It was drafted by men who saw the evils of a centralized system they escaped in Europe, so they drafted a rule of law that gutted centralized control. The problem with it was, it so decentralized the system that they system could not hold together the states. The Articles simply did not fund the federal government enough as Washington aptly coined the problem, "No money"

So then they drafted the US Constitution to empower the Federal government a little more. This worked great until the turn of the Progressive era. It was then that Progressives saw the limitation of centralized control as "holding them back" so they then amended the Constitution. They did such things as let voters vote for Senators rather than states selecting them and they created the Federal Income tax, something that had been struck down as unconstitutional a decade prior, and they created their own bank with the Fed. All of these measures greatly enhanced the power of the US Federal government as we have spiraled downward ever since.

What we have now is a war mongering behemoth that generates the most concentrated amount of wealth in human history.

As we all know, power corrupts, so what are we to expect from this system? Do we really want to believe that a third party is the answer?

No, the answer is to decentralize the system, back to the way it used to be.

But alas, that is regressive, not progressive.

I reckon I should be ashamed.

Such a thing can only ultimately be accomplished through the vote, and so it's up to you and those who agree with you to provide the electorate with a clear and viable alternative.

The problem is, it really does appear that we've lost the capacity to use reason and clarity to convince anyone of anything. We've spent so much time attacking and screaming and not listening that those skills have atrophied.

Use it or lose it, I reckon.
.

There is only one legal method to fix it. It's called the Article V movement. States need to rise up and amend the Constitution themselves, apart from the Federal government. To this day, it has never been done before but there a number of states who have voted to join.

Such things as term limits for Congress and budgetary constraints can only be realized through this movement. After all, will Congress ever vote to limit the power of their purse or impose term limits on themselves?

Hell no.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

Your focus is on the party, as if the party has been corrupted and only need to be replaced with a righteous one.

But the way I see it, the system is the problem.

Our country was started with the Articles of Confederation. It was drafted by men who saw the evils of a centralized system they escaped in Europe, so they drafted a rule of law that gutted centralized control. The problem with it was, it so decentralized the system that they system could not hold together the states. The Articles simply did not fund the federal government enough as Washington aptly coined the problem, "No money"

So then they drafted the US Constitution to empower the Federal government a little more. This worked great until the turn of the Progressive era. It was then that Progressives saw the limitation of centralized control as "holding them back" so they then amended the Constitution. They did such things as let voters vote for Senators rather than states selecting them and they created the Federal Income tax, something that had been struck down as unconstitutional a decade prior, and they created their own bank with the Fed. All of these measures greatly enhanced the power of the US Federal government as we have spiraled downward ever since.

What we have now is a war mongering behemoth that generates the most concentrated amount of wealth in human history.

As we all know, power corrupts, so what are we to expect from this system? Do we really want to believe that a third party is the answer?

No, the answer is to decentralize the system, back to the way it used to be.

But alas, that is regressive, not progressive.

I reckon I should be ashamed.

Such a thing can only ultimately be accomplished through the vote, and so it's up to you and those who agree with you to provide the electorate with a clear and viable alternative.

The problem is, it really does appear that we've lost the capacity to use reason and clarity to convince anyone of anything. We've spent so much time attacking and screaming and not listening that those skills have atrophied.

Use it or lose it, I reckon.
.

The problem is that our politicians have been selling themselves off to big money. The mantra has been to get money out of politics. About a half dozen new members of congress are doing just that. They have won their seats without taking big money.

This should get interesting.

 

[Votto]

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

FYI: Mac there are already several moderate/centrist political parties in the U.S., if you believe that therein lies the answer to duopoly tribalism, pick one and good luck with that.
Some examples:
​

• Citizens Party of the United States
• Modern Whig Party
• Unity Party of America

There's also the Coffee Party of America which is more akin to a centrist "movement" like the Tea Party is for Conservatives.

Don't expect much in the way of electoral or political success from any of them, apparently forming new tribes isn't quite the anti-tribalism silver bullet that some people think it is; but I guess it makes people feel better to swim among others that express the same strongly held "views" that they have.

"The choice between political parties fractures our nations yet further, turns our focus on each other, and away from the mechanisms of our systems of government.” ― Haroutioun Bochnakian​

Well, I know they're out there, but I did use the word "viable".

.

What's your vision of "viable" ?

In short, a party that can win.
.

In order to win that party must play the same sorts of dirty politics the other two play.

That is no solution. That party will be subjected to the exact same corrupting influences as the other two.

 

[Votto]

Well, the GOP lost its freakin' mind with Trump, and now the opposite reaction is happening with the Dems.

Two crazed parties whose loons drown out moderate thought.

We desperately need a viable third party.
.

So what is the moderate wisdom here? What should be done Mac on such issues as:

1. Abortion
2. Border security
3. Health care

So sell me on a third party that will fix everything.

Let's try to avoid straw men, okay? I didn't say a third party would "fix everything".

What it might do, however, is (a) provide a place in which non-tribe members can exist, and (b) force the two "major" parties to come down from the trees and moderate a bit.

Regarding the issues, I addressed that question in post 616 here: CDZ - Is something broken here?
.

Your focus is on the party, as if the party has been corrupted and only need to be replaced with a righteous one.

But the way I see it, the system is the problem.

Our country was started with the Articles of Confederation. It was drafted by men who saw the evils of a centralized system they escaped in Europe, so they drafted a rule of law that gutted centralized control. The problem with it was, it so decentralized the system that they system could not hold together the states. The Articles simply did not fund the federal government enough as Washington aptly coined the problem, "No money"

So then they drafted the US Constitution to empower the Federal government a little more. This worked great until the turn of the Progressive era. It was then that Progressives saw the limitation of centralized control as "holding them back" so they then amended the Constitution. They did such things as let voters vote for Senators rather than states selecting them and they created the Federal Income tax, something that had been struck down as unconstitutional a decade prior, and they created their own bank with the Fed. All of these measures greatly enhanced the power of the US Federal government as we have spiraled downward ever since.

What we have now is a war mongering behemoth that generates the most concentrated amount of wealth in human history.

As we all know, power corrupts, so what are we to expect from this system? Do we really want to believe that a third party is the answer?

No, the answer is to decentralize the system, back to the way it used to be.

But alas, that is regressive, not progressive.

I reckon I should be ashamed.

Such a thing can only ultimately be accomplished through the vote, and so it's up to you and those who agree with you to provide the electorate with a clear and viable alternative.

The problem is, it really does appear that we've lost the capacity to use reason and clarity to convince anyone of anything. We've spent so much time attacking and screaming and not listening that those skills have atrophied.

Use it or lose it, I reckon.
.

The problem is that our politicians have been selling themselves off to big money. The mantra has been to get money out of politics. About a half dozen new members of congress are doing just that. They have won their seats without taking big money.

This should get interesting.

Big large pots of money is all government wants, which is why socialism is so appealing to them.

Big large pots of money are without book keepers as money from such things as Social Security often finds itself gone missing indefinitely.