Funny how 31000 scientists disagree with global warming

[KittenKoder]

Not millions of tons...

Billions of tons of CO2 each year....

The only way to stop that is ... wipe out all life except plants.

Actually, K.K., when a plant dies and decays it gives off quite a bit of CO2. So I think we just need to destroy all life on Earth to make these global warming nuts happy.

True ... I stand correct, we need to destroy all life to make the environuts happy.

 

[Old Rocks]

Such are my colleagues - I have spoken with many. Some believe in man-made contribution to global warming, while many others do not. Funding is a HUGE factor in this debate. For example, I have met Steig personally, and know his department head very well - we boat together in the summer months. Nature did NOT audit the findings of Steig - they simply ran with the premise in the hopes of getting some much needed press. (Nature is apparently teetering on insolvency) This is quite common with all pro-GW papers - the peer review is more symbolic than substantive. The entire process has been corrupted for decades.

As for academic societies - I know well how those work too. The position statements of any given society do not reflect all members - and at times, do not even represent the majority of members. It is a select few on any given board that submits those positions.

Global warming interest is falling fast - even among academia.

Now if we happen to have a couple particularly warm summers, and it appears more money is to be made available in grants and whatnot for those academics supportive of the GW position, then this will alter and once again universities will see a flurry of pro-GW activity. Currently this is not happening.

Again using Steig as an example, his report ended up being an embarrassment to the university. It was so easily disputed, the data so obviously corrupted, that even pro-GWs were left shaking their collective heads. And Steig has yet to fully disclose his the supporting data behind his conclusions. Sadly though, his data continues to be used as a citing point for those scrambling to further the GW agenda - though at present, they are failing. And the debate within the scientific community against and for Steig is quite heated. I have been privy to the residual debate going on - and it is both entertaining, and reflective of the collective shift against the absolute AGW theory that held sway the last decade.

PS - the earth keeps on cooling.

I would rather it warm up a bit....

Your posts really are laughable.

The earth is warming, not cooling.

The polar ice cap and almost all of the glaciers are melting, not growing.

Keep living in your fantasy world.

The Earth was warming until about 5 years ago. It started to warm again in about 1980 after cooling for some time. The warming and cooling trends lately seem to go in several decade spans. CO2, in contrast, rises with amazing consistancy. Warming and cooling and CO2 seem to be acting independantly lately.

The Arctic Sea ice Extent seems to have gotten bigger this year than last year which is a neat trick since the CONSENSUS of experts was that the ice would be almost entirely gone this year. Oh, well. Just when you thought that a consensus meant something.

The glaciers that are melting today are finishing an advance that began for most of them 5000 to 7000 years ago. The glaciers are not remnants of the last Ice Age. They are remnants of the cooling period that start at about 5000 BC. We are returning to the climate that led to that time.

The climate of that time had nothing at all to do with SUV's or Coal fired power plants. It was, however, much warmer than it was in 1650. That cold snap also had nothing to do with CO2. Warming out of that cold snap also had nothing to do with CO2.

This might be a fantasy world, but it's the one we live in.

2008 tied with 2001 as the eighth warmest year on record. In spite of a strong and persistant La Nina, and a solar minimum. That is not cooling, that is warming. 1998 and 2005 were neck and neck as the warmest years on record. Eleven of the warmest years on record have happened in the last thirteen years. That is hardly a cooling trend. I expect to see the records of 1998 and 2005 exceeded at least twice in the next five years. So, if that does not happen, then I am wrong. If it does happen, then you are wrong.

 

[Chris]

The only way to stop that is ... wipe out all life except plants.

No, most of it comes from coal powered power plants and cars.

You fucking clown ,with the trading of cap-and-trade credits we run the risk of simply creating another example of quasi-wealth that will crumble when the market realizes absolutely no value has been created. In this scenario, large companies, (which Obama is supposed to be against) such as GE, would help establish the value of the credits, attempt to corner the market, and create false shareholder value by selling these trade credits that hold no value whatsoever. Once the market discovers there is no value in the paper, suddenly the market for them will crash, as will the companies holding them. Kind of like what's happening to the economy today due to the "fake" paper that made the banks and the credit market look much healthier than it really was. Then comes more bailouts, more spending, more debt that will be impossible to sustain, the same redundant cycle Oblahblah is shoving down our throats now. Then dumbasses like you will still try to find a way to blame Bush .........

Fuck you, asshole.

CO2 is at the highest level in recorded history and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

 

[Old Rocks]

another exciting thread with people with absolutly no formal education or training is science, pretending to be arm chair scientists.


Me? I'm no expert in climate physics. I'll leave it to the experts to make conclusions.

Oh, by the way, I think every single bonafide scientific organization on the planet with expertise in climate science, agrees with what Chris and Old Rocks are saying.

Every. Single. One.

Yep. But ol' Limp Rushbaugh knows better than all them there pointy headed lib-ba-ral sissy scientists

 

[jreeves]

No, most of it comes from coal powered power plants and cars.

You fucking clown ,with the trading of cap-and-trade credits we run the risk of simply creating another example of quasi-wealth that will crumble when the market realizes absolutely no value has been created. In this scenario, large companies, (which Obama is supposed to be against) such as GE, would help establish the value of the credits, attempt to corner the market, and create false shareholder value by selling these trade credits that hold no value whatsoever. Once the market discovers there is no value in the paper, suddenly the market for them will crash, as will the companies holding them. Kind of like what's happening to the economy today due to the "fake" paper that made the banks and the credit market look much healthier than it really was. Then comes more bailouts, more spending, more debt that will be impossible to sustain, the same redundant cycle Oblahblah is shoving down our throats now. Then dumbasses like you will still try to find a way to blame Bush .........

Fuck you, asshole.

CO2 is at the highest level in recorded history and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

 

[Chris]

You fucking clown ,with the trading of cap-and-trade credits we run the risk of simply creating another example of quasi-wealth that will crumble when the market realizes absolutely no value has been created. In this scenario, large companies, (which Obama is supposed to be against) such as GE, would help establish the value of the credits, attempt to corner the market, and create false shareholder value by selling these trade credits that hold no value whatsoever. Once the market discovers there is no value in the paper, suddenly the market for them will crash, as will the companies holding them. Kind of like what's happening to the economy today due to the "fake" paper that made the banks and the credit market look much healthier than it really was. Then comes more bailouts, more spending, more debt that will be impossible to sustain, the same redundant cycle Oblahblah is shoving down our throats now. Then dumbasses like you will still try to find a way to blame Bush .........

Fuck you, asshole.

CO2 is at the highest level in recorded history and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

 

[KittenKoder]

Fuck you, asshole.

CO2 is at the highest level in recorded history and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Well ... it's idiots like you that made me go independent.

 

[jreeves]

Fuck you, asshole.

CO2 is at the highest level in recorded history and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

 

[Old Rocks]

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

 

[Chris]

Awe, the chrissy and O.R. at it again. How sweet, they must sleep in their little matching AL Gore feety pajamas....

Hypocrites...

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Al Gore is your fantasy. I have never even mentioned Al Gore.

You were McCain's butt buddy the entire campaign, so you may be a registered independent, but you are the biggest Republican I have ever seen.

 

[jreeves]

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

Are you having troubles with your conscience? What part about this post was homsexual?

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

 

[KittenKoder]

You really have lost it.

It must suck to be a Republican right now.

Like eating a shit sandwich.

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Al Gore is your fantasy. I have never even mentioned Al Gore.

You were McCain's butt buddy the entire campaign, so you may be a registered independent, but you are the biggest Republican I have ever seen.

You don't need to mention him directly, all your scientists are in his pocket.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

Are you having troubles with your conscience? What part about this post was homsexual?

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Hell no, I am not eating a chicken sandwich. I am eating a beef steak, complete with trimmingns. I would only enjoy it more were it venison or elk. Next year for that.

 

[Meister]

another exciting thread with people with absolutly no formal education or training is science, pretending to be arm chair scientists.


Me? I'm no expert in climate physics. I'll leave it to the experts to make conclusions.

Oh, by the way, I think every single bonafide scientific organization on the planet with expertise in climate science, agrees with what Chris and Old Rocks are saying.

Every. Single. One.

Says you, Old Rock, and Chris.

 

[jreeves]

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

Are you having troubles with your conscience? What part about this post was homsexual?

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Hell no, I am not eating a chicken sandwich. I am eating a beef steak, complete with trimmingns. I would only enjoy it more were it venison or elk. Next year for that.

I was talking to Chrissypants, not you Old Rocks, but your the same type, a HYPOCRITE. You want everyone else to pay more for their energy, pay more for their automobiles. Yet you won't even do something as simple as going on a vegan diet to eliminate 1.5 billion tons of CO2 emissions a year. Hypocrite....

 

[jreeves]

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

Are you having troubles with your conscience? What part about this post was homsexual?

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Hell no, I am not eating a chicken sandwich. I am eating a beef steak, complete with trimmingns. I would only enjoy it more were it venison or elk. Next year for that.

Are you sure that's not Chrissy's tube steak?

 

[KittenKoder]

Oh my, another idiot with homosexual fantasies. Elvis, meat JR. JR, meat Elvis.

Are you having troubles with your conscience? What part about this post was homsexual?

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Hell no, I am not eating a chicken sandwich. I am eating a beef steak, complete with trimmingns. I would only enjoy it more were it venison or elk. Next year for that.

You love killing the planet!

 

[Chris]

Hypocrite and you can't hide it....

So why you are eating that chicken sandwich think about the damage your doing to planet earth. You hypocrite...

I have told you this before troll, I am a registered independent. But I am sure it is hard for you to grasp, considering the religion you subscribe to. Now go back to bed and have sweet dreams as you rub your AL Gore baby doll.....

Al Gore is your fantasy. I have never even mentioned Al Gore.

You were McCain's butt buddy the entire campaign, so you may be a registered independent, but you are the biggest Republican I have ever seen.

You don't need to mention him directly, all your scientists are in his pocket.

All my scientists?

Including the ones in every other country in the world?

When will you get it through your thick skull that the melting of the polar ice cap and almost all of the glacers IN THE WORLD is not a political issue?

 

[jreeves]

Al Gore is your fantasy. I have never even mentioned Al Gore.

You were McCain's butt buddy the entire campaign, so you may be a registered independent, but you are the biggest Republican I have ever seen.

You don't need to mention him directly, all your scientists are in his pocket.

All my scientists?

Including the ones in every other country in the world?

When will you get it through your thick skull that the melting of the polar ice cap and almost all of the glacers IN THE WORLD is not a political issue?

Hypocrite

 

[Old Rocks]

All of those Indians eating Bison, and Africans eating wildebeast and other ruminants seems not to have affected the environment for thousands of years. Your arguement, like your whole persona, is silly.