Funny how 31000 scientists disagree with global warming

[KMAN]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

 

[Old Rocks]

Hear about it? We have heard about the dingbat group, OISM, for years. They operate out of a farmhouse near the metropolis of Cave Junction, Oregon, as happy a bunch of moonbats as one would ever with to see. Here is further informations concerning their "petition;

The Petition Project itself used to state:

“ Of the 19,700 signatures that the project has received in total so far, 17,800 have been independently verified and the other 1,900 have not yet been independently verified. Of those signers holding the degree of PhD, 95% have now been independently verified. One name that was sent in by enviro pranksters, Geri Halliwell, PhD, has been eliminated. Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridiculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist.[19] ”




In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:

“ Several environmental groups questioned dozens of the names: "Perry S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer?), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor?), "Robert C. Byrd" (the senator?), "John C. Grisham" (the lawyer-author?). And then there's the Spice Girl, a k a. Geraldine Halliwell: The petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell."
Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "When we're getting thousands of signatures there's no way of filtering out a fake," he said.[20]
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In 2001, Scientific American reported:

“ Scientific American took a random sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[21] ”

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:

“ In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[22]
Oregon Petition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every Scientific Society in the world, every National Academy of Science, and every major Univesity states that global warming is real, we are the primary cause, and that it is a clear and present threat. Now that is tens of millions of scientists, all on clear and easy to verify lists of membership. Not wingnut fabrications.

 

[sarahgop]

i agree with kman

 

[Old Rocks]

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

The OISM is located on a farm about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction, Oregon (population 1,126). Located slightly east of Siskiyou National Forest, Cave Junction is one of several small towns nestled in the Illinois Valley, whose total population is 15,000. Best known as a gateway to the Oregon Caves National Monument, it is described by its chamber of commerce as "the commercial, service, and cultural center for a rural community of small farms, woodlots, crafts people, and families just living apart from the crowds. ... It's a place where going into the market can take time because people talk in the aisles and at the checkstands. Life is slower, so you have to be patient. You'll be part of that slowness because it is enjoyable to be neighborly." The main visitors are tourists who come to hike, backpack and fish in the area's many rivers and streams. Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.

Contents [hide]
1 Personnel
1.1 Listed Faculty Members
1.1.1 Deceased
1.1.2 Active
2 History
3 Funding
4 Case Study: The Oregon Petition
5 Contact Information
6 Articles and Resources
6.1 Related SourceWatch Resources
6.2 Sources
6.3 External links
7 Note

[edit]Personnel
The OISM website's homepage [1] says:

The Institute currently has six faculty members, several regular volunteers, and a larger number of other volunteers who work on occasional projects.
The Home Page's current navigation bar lists 8 individuals under the "Faculty" heading. Two of those listed are deceased, and two are sons of OISM's head, Arthur B. Robinson. Yet even though the OISM credentials 8 persons as "Faculty", it has no classrooms, or student body.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ahh yes here is Old Rocks attempting to marginalize information he does not like. As Usual.

 

[Red Dawn]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

I'm glad I checked your link!

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs

So this mean any hack with a bachelor's degree in biology from Akron State University can sign the petition?


Dude, how many of these "scientists" are actual real climate scientists, who are publishing peer reivewed climate change research in bonafide scientific journals?

Let me save your fingers the trouble of dancing through Google: Probably close to ZERO.


Someone who isn't a bonafied expert who does research in climate science, doesn't have the credibility to fully judge the state of climate science. Especially a list that contains mostly people with bachelors and master's degree, people who aren't trained and don't work in climate research.

Do you go to a heart surgeon when you have a tooth ache? No you don't. You go to a medical professional trained in tooth aches. A Dentist.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

I'm glad I checked your link!

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs

So this mean any hack with a bachelor's degree in biology from Akron State University can sign the petition?


Dude, how many of these "scientists" are actual real climate scientists, who are publishing peer reivewed climate change research in bonafide scientific journals?

Let me save your fingers the trouble of dancing through Google: Probably close to ZERO.


Someone who isn't a bonafied expert who does research in climate science, doesn't have the credibility to fully judge the state of climate science. Especially a list that contains mostly people with bachelors and master's degree, people who aren't trained and don't work in climate research.

Do you go to a heart surgeon when you have a tooth ache? No you don't. You go to a medical professional trained in tooth aches. A Dentist.

Yes of course when faced with facts that you do not like try to marginalize them. Usual tactic of the left and losers.

 

[Red Dawn]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

I'm glad I checked your link!

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs

So this mean any hack with a bachelor's degree in biology from Akron State University can sign the petition?


Dude, how many of these "scientists" are actual real climate scientists, who are publishing peer reivewed climate change research in bonafide scientific journals?

Let me save your fingers the trouble of dancing through Google: Probably close to ZERO.


Someone who isn't a bonafied expert who does research in climate science, doesn't have the credibility to fully judge the state of climate science. Especially a list that contains mostly people with bachelors and master's degree, people who aren't trained and don't work in climate research.

Do you go to a heart surgeon when you have a tooth ache? No you don't. You go to a medical professional trained in tooth aches. A Dentist.

Check out their petition. Its just a piece of paper anyone can fill out, and claim to be ANYTHING There's no verification process, no way to verify the person's actual profession.

I think I'm going to fill one out and claim to be an astrophysicit!

 

[code1211]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

I'm glad I checked your link!

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs

So this mean any hack with a bachelor's degree in biology from Akron State University can sign the petition?


Dude, how many of these "scientists" are actual real climate scientists, who are publishing peer reivewed climate change research in bonafide scientific journals?

Let me save your fingers the trouble of dancing through Google: Probably close to ZERO.


Someone who isn't a bonafied expert who does research in climate science, doesn't have the credibility to fully judge the state of climate science. Especially a list that contains mostly people with bachelors and master's degree, people who aren't trained and don't work in climate research.

Do you go to a heart surgeon when you have a tooth ache? No you don't. You go to a medical professional trained in tooth aches. A Dentist.

It doesn't take a genius to ask a question. Einstein said that you never understand anything until you can explain it to your grandmother. It sometimes does take a genius to answer the questions on Climate Change. If it is understood, it should be explanable. As of now, it is not.

Any agreement with the AGW stance on Global warming requires that real world facts be ignored, history be ignored, leaps of faith must be taken and models must be accepted ahead of actual data.

Forget who is voting for it and who is voting against it. What is the reason that we should accept or reject this idea? It's May in Indiana and so far in 2009, my AC has been on exactly 2 times. If this is Global Warming, someone needs to tell my thermometer. Maybe if we explain really well, it will register a higher reading.

 

[Chris]

Ahh yes here is Old Rocks attempting to marginalize information he does not like. As Usual.

The online petition is bullshit.

Every major scientific society in the world understands global warming.

 

[Chris]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

The results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

 

[code1211]

(CNN) -- Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S. survey based on the opinions of 3,146 scientists. However there remains divisions between climatologists and scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of human responsibility.

The results of the investigation conducted at the end of 2008 reveal that vast majority of the Earth scientists surveyed agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

The study released today was conducted by academics from the University of Illinois, who used an online questionnaire of nine questions. The scientists approached were listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures?

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

We're talking about temperature differences that measure in the hundredths of a degree per year. The causes include at least 10 very different causes and most of them increase and decrease in a cyclical routine extendending across years, centuries or milleniums.

The Global Warming measuring devices cover the surface of the Earth, orbit the Earth, float and dive in the oceans, sample the air, measure the emissions, photograph the surface of the planet with all parts of the spectrum of light and radiation, measure the mass and extent of ice, water, land mass, gravitational pull and wind and ocean current direction and velocity.

Of course the survey did have 9 questions so I suppose that pretty much covers all of the possibilites. Did they respond using real live, official Science-Guy Computers or just write their answers into the little circles with #2 pencils?

 

[Chris]

code, you miss the point.

We have increased atmospheric CO2 by 40% in the last 200 years. CO2 is now at the highest level ever recorded, and the Antarctic ice core record goes back 600,000 years.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not only that, if we what we have already put into the atmosphere is causing the melting of both the Greeland and Antarctic Ice Caps, then what happens when the anthropogenic increase is at 60%? 100%?

The fact remains, that of tens of millions of scientists arround the world, that dingbat group in Cave Junction can only must 31,000 signatures, and all too many of those are fake. But all the Scientific Societies in the world agree that global warming is real, that it is anthropogenic in origin, and that it is a clear and present danger.

 

[Old Rocks]

An interesting tidbit. The media-hyped United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, claiming imminent disaster, was put-out by 52 "scientists", yet 31000 don't believe the hype. Not going to hear about this are you.


Global Warming Petition Project

I'm glad I checked your link!

31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs

So this mean any hack with a bachelor's degree in biology from Akron State University can sign the petition?


Dude, how many of these "scientists" are actual real climate scientists, who are publishing peer reivewed climate change research in bonafide scientific journals?

Let me save your fingers the trouble of dancing through Google: Probably close to ZERO.


Someone who isn't a bonafied expert who does research in climate science, doesn't have the credibility to fully judge the state of climate science. Especially a list that contains mostly people with bachelors and master's degree, people who aren't trained and don't work in climate research.

Do you go to a heart surgeon when you have a tooth ache? No you don't. You go to a medical professional trained in tooth aches. A Dentist.

Yes of course when faced with facts that you do not like try to marginalize them. Usual tactic of the left and losers.

Well, let's see. We leftists and losers now have the Executive, the Congress, and the Senate. We have every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world. Such sad pathetic losers.

Facts cannot be marginalized. Bush and his admin tried it, and the failed wars, and economic debacle brought the reality to everybodies attention. Same for global warming. As it affects agriculture, as more areas have either too much or too little water, or both at differant times of the year, it will have everybodies attention.

The accelerating melting of the ice caps, and glaciers that feed so many rivers that agriculture worldwide depends on, will create situations where all will know the reality of global warming, and curse those that denied and stood in the way of recognition of the danger for so long. Ideology never trumps reality. It may take a little time, but reality will bite those that deny it's existance.

 

[Sinatra]

It should be noted that many on the UNIP are not actually scientists themselves.

The tide against the Global Warming machine has clearly shifted against them. As noted in previous posts, tens of millions of dollars are now being spent in an aggressive ad campaign to regain the climate message in conjunction with the Congressional consideration of Cap n Trade.

Despite these millions being spent (notice all the commercials on TV lately calling for "new" energy?) the public continues to be largely indifferent to the much-wanted hysteria that once prevailed over this issue.

The earth remains in a cooling pattern.

Gas prices are rising again.

Calls for increased domestic oil production, natural gas production, and nuclear plant expansion will result - things that will all create tens of thousands of new, high paying jobs.

Alternative energy will continue to grow in importance - but slowly.

And the earth will keep on spinnin'....

 

[Old Rocks]

Really? And which Scientific Society has changed it's stance? Last I looked, when there were stances on global warming changed, it was to even sterner warnings of the damage that we are even now seeing.

 

[Old Rocks]

i agree with kman

Which means what? Do you have the faintest reason for doing so? Other than idiot talking points?

 

[Sinatra]

i agree with kman

Which means what? Do you have the faintest reason for doing so? Other than idiot talking points?

OR - don't devolve into that kind of thing - it does not help your cause.

The fact is, interest in global warming as a legitimate concern continues to lessen.

This lessening is being fought hard by millions upon millions of dollars of ad campaigns to legitimize the issue with the public once again - but that in itself shows how the sands are shifting beneath the feet of the entire global warming industry.

That is a good thing, as the inherent self-serving interests behind this same global warming industry has long corrupted the needed scientific sanctity of the debate.

You clearly disagree - I have no problem with that.

You just happen to be wrong!

 

[Old Rocks]

I, and all the Scientific Societies, National Academies of Science, and major Universities in the world. Hmmm.......................