Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[TemplarKormac]

No.

That is ENTIRELY the point. What he said was "tactless". Some people brought this to the attention of his boss(es). His bosses then decided to suspend him FOR BEING TACTLESS.

That is exactly the point.

You're too naive to think outside of the liberal box, LL. He was cut down for expressing himself. A&E knew full well what they were getting when they signed him. They even went to a sermon of his in 2010. From then on out they have tried to whittle the man down into keeping religious expression out of the show. When that failed they suspended him. While they had the right to do what they did, it was a public show of intolerance to religious opinion.

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

You are naive. You've done things to justify it. If American TV networks like A&E were indeed tolerant of religious opinion and expression, why did they suspend Phil Robertson then for doing just that? Hmm? Don't you find that odd?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The public could end the pcbs any time it chooses to do so. The only reason why political correctness got so strong is because it was permitted to do so. Stop giving that permission. Overwhelm with political incorrectness.

Yep, this has been incremental, and now we have a group of people who are literally telling us what we're no longer allowed to say.

The good news: The backlash has begun, let's keep it going.

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The backlash has begun! You and the USMB bigots are gonna take this baby home!

 

[LoneLaugher]

You're too naive to think outside of the liberal box, LL. He was cut down for expressing himself. A&E knew full well what they were getting when they signed him. They even went to a sermon of his in 2010. From then on out they have tried to whittle the man down into keeping religious expression out of the show. When that failed they suspended him. While they had the right to do what they did, it was a public show of intolerance to religious opinion.

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

You are naive. You've done things to justify it. If American TV networks like A&E were indeed tolerant of religious opinion and expression, why did they suspend Phil Robertson then for doing just that? Hmm? Don't you find that odd?

Idiot. They suspended him for being tactless. Not for being religious.

Naive is you thinking that I sought your advice on how to post succinctly. You actually believed that. For weeks. Please.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

 

[Pheonixops]

Afraid it is not



If he had kept his objections purely religious, there would be no story. Instead he had to get his bestiality comparison in and his distasteful anal sex analysis. There is also his tirade of a sermon in Pennsylvania that was released today. It is obvious the man hates gays



What were his religious reasons for endorsing Jim Crow?

Plus he implied black people aren't happy and are lazy now .


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"Implied" is not the same as "said". He said that the black people he grew up with did not complain and piss and moan.

That is not the same as saying all blacks complain, piss and moan now...but a racist puke like you wouldn't know that, because you can't think of them as individuals. Because you think of them as a group and a group only, you assume that when anyone says anything, they are referring to the group. You assign your own prejudice to others, then call them racists.

What a puke you are.

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish (his Parish):

It seems like the Duck guy was trying to say that "The Blacks" were happier when they were treated like second class citizens and "knew their place". Do you really think that the Blacks in the Jim Crow South (Caddo Parish specifically) would express their angst about white people to a white Southerner? Do you know what happened to some Blacks who didn't "know their place"? If they were so "happy" and "content", why did MLK Jr, and other Southern Black people march and protest to stop being treated like second class citizens???

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish when the Duck guy was a kid, he was born in 1946, below demonstrates that it wasn't so "happy" for "the Blacks" in that Parish:
"During the 1950s, Shreveport whites became fervent in their opposition
to integration of any kind. In 1956, after voting against a proposed
bill exempting the Sugar Bowl from a new law prohibiting interracial activities,
State Representative Wellborn Jack of Shreveport promised that
“the Shreveport Citizens Council can always depend on me to take a
stand 100% for segregation and 100% against integration.”

"That year, after the four little girls were killed in Birmingham,
citizens (Caddo Parish)attempted to hold a memorial march at the Little Union
Baptist Church in Shreveport. Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner
George D’Artois had denied a permit for the demonstration, publicly declaring
that the demonstrators “want to destroy our American way of
life.”93 On the day of the memorial, hundreds of helmeted police officers
arrived at the church, armed with shotguns, tear-gas, and Billy-clubs, and
cordoned off the area. As people left the church after the memorial service,
officers drew their guns and severely beat dozens of demonstrators
and clergymen; D’Artois himself joined in.94"

"The next day, students at Booker T. Washington High School attempted
to march downtown but were met by police officers firing tear
gas grenades and kicking and beating them back inside the school.95 A
day after that, D’Artois called officers to surround the J.S. Clark Junior
High School, where several hundred students held a lunchtime rally.
When the students yelled “freedom” at the police, D’Artois sent officers
into the schoolyard to silence the protest.96 Following the beating of the
NAACP branch president and the suppression of every planned demonstration,
CORE and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference pulled
out of Shreveport, and the city saw little public protest for the remainder
of the decade."

For people who are interested, here's the link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zI5kyCyqSuFaNdA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc&cad=rja[/quote]

 

[koshergrl]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

Debunked.

 

[koshergrl]

Plus he implied black people aren't happy and are lazy now .


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"Implied" is not the same as "said". He said that the black people he grew up with did not complain and piss and moan.

That is not the same as saying all blacks complain, piss and moan now...but a racist puke like you wouldn't know that, because you can't think of them as individuals. Because you think of them as a group and a group only, you assume that when anyone says anything, they are referring to the group. You assign your own prejudice to others, then call them racists.

What a puke you are.

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish (his Parish):

It seems like the Duck guy was trying to say that "The Blacks" were happier when they were treated like second class citizens and "knew their place". Do you really think that the Blacks in the Jim Crow South (Caddo Parish specifically) would express their angst about white people to a white Southerner? Do you know what happened to some Blacks who didn't "know their place"? If they were so "happy" and "content", why did MLK Jr, and other Southern Black people march and protest to stop being treated like second class citizens???

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish when the Duck guy was a kid, he was born in 1946, below demonstrates that it wasn't so "happy" for "the Blacks" in that Parish:
"During the 1950s, Shreveport whites became fervent in their opposition
to integration of any kind. In 1956, after voting against a proposed
bill exempting the Sugar Bowl from a new law prohibiting interracial activities,
State Representative Wellborn Jack of Shreveport promised that
“the Shreveport Citizens Council can always depend on me to take a
stand 100% for segregation and 100% against integration.”

"That year, after the four little girls were killed in Birmingham,
citizens (Caddo Parish)attempted to hold a memorial march at the Little Union
Baptist Church in Shreveport. Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner
George D’Artois had denied a permit for the demonstration, publicly declaring
that the demonstrators “want to destroy our American way of
life.”93 On the day of the memorial, hundreds of helmeted police officers
arrived at the church, armed with shotguns, tear-gas, and Billy-clubs, and
cordoned off the area. As people left the church after the memorial service,
officers drew their guns and severely beat dozens of demonstrators
and clergymen; D’Artois himself joined in.94"

"The next day, students at Booker T. Washington High School attempted
to march downtown but were met by police officers firing tear
gas grenades and kicking and beating them back inside the school.95 A
day after that, D’Artois called officers to surround the J.S. Clark Junior
High School, where several hundred students held a lunchtime rally.
When the students yelled “freedom” at the police, D’Artois sent officers
into the schoolyard to silence the protest.96 Following the beating of the
NAACP branch president and the suppression of every planned demonstration,
CORE and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference pulled
out of Shreveport, and the city saw little public protest for the remainder
of the decade."

For people who are interested, here's the link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zI5kyCyqSuFaNdA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc&cad=rja

[/QUOTE]


Nobody is interested, because it's completely irrelevant, ding dong. He never said anything about them knowing their place. He said that he worked along side of them, being on the same social strata. Racist progressives don't understand that because they cannot comprehend of black people and white people being on the same social footing.

But in this case, they were. He shared a personal anecdote and said that nobody ever complained to him, that he never heard people complaining that they were *due* something.

Being a racist, you are going to turn that into a racist comment. But it isn't a racist comment. You are the racist to read that into it.

 

[Mac1958]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

As clear as that may be to us common folk, the elites don't see it from their perch far above.



.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

Punishable? By law?

No.

By his embarrassed employer?

Sure.

Next.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

Debunked.

Debunked ? There is video of the man. Is he just a liar too ?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

Debunked.

Debunked ? There is video of the man. Is he just a liar too ?

Google it.

 

[koshergrl]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

Punishable? By law?

No.

By his embarrassed employer?

Sure.

Next.

As I said, the bigots are the assholes who believe what he did was punishable.

By your own admission, that makes you a bigot.

Next.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Debunked.

Debunked ? There is video of the man. Is he just a liar too ?

Google it.

I did.

I don' think the man is just weaving an intricate lie on camera when he says they did it.

Watch the video.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

Punishable? By law?

No.

By his embarrassed employer?

Sure.

Next.

As I said, the bigots are the assholes who believe what he did was punishable.

By your own admission, that makes you a bigot.

Next.

That is ridiculous. By YOUR definition. Even though my comment made you realize that your comment was stupid.

You have such lameness all about you. How can you take it?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Debunked ? There is video of the man. Is he just a liar too ?

Google it.

I did.

I don' think the man is just weaving an intricate lie on camera when he says they did it.

Watch the video.

Idiot. I know he said it. It was later learned that his speculation was bullshit. Go ahead. Google it for real.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seriously? Law so absolute that it regulates speech? What kind of law is that?

First Amendment jurisprudence – shouting fire in a crowded theater or advocating for imminent lawlessness, for example.

Although our rights are inalienable, they’re not absolute, and subject to reasonable government restrictions.

Do you hear yourself right now? If our rights are "subject to reasonable government restrictions" whats to stop government from pushing the boundaries of "reasonable"?

Jurisprudence restricting speech can set terrible precedent.

That’s not ‘myself,’ that’s settled, accepted, fundamental Constitutional doctrine. As Justice Scalia reaffirmed in Heller with regard to the Second Amendment and reasonable restrictions on firearms: “Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues.”

First Amendment jurisprudence likewise is replete with examples where government is at liberty to place reasonable restrictions on free speech and free expression, as authorized by the Constitution:

“In Virginia v. Black, the Court held that its opinion in R.A.V. did not make it nconstitutional for a state to prohibit burning a cross with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons. Such a prohibition does not discriminate on the basis of a defendant’s beliefs—“as a factual matter it is not true that cross burners direct their intimidating conduct solely to racial or religious minorities.... The First Amendment permits Virginia to outlaw cross burning done with the intent to intimidate because burning a cross is a particularly virulent form of intimidation. Instead of prohibiting all intimidating messages, Virginia may choose to regulate this subset of intimidating messages.” Henry Cohen, Freedom of Speech and Press: Exceptions to the First Amendment

Consequently, it is the responsibility of the people to stop government from pushing the boundaries of reasonable beyond that which they perceive to be warranted by seeking relief in Federal court, pursuant to every American’s right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, just as the same-sex couples in Utah successfully accomplished recently when that state’s restriction on their right to equal protection of the law was determined unreasonable, and un-Constitutional.

 

[Pheonixops]

"Implied" is not the same as "said". He said that the black people he grew up with did not complain and piss and moan.

That is not the same as saying all blacks complain, piss and moan now...but a racist puke like you wouldn't know that, because you can't think of them as individuals. Because you think of them as a group and a group only, you assume that when anyone says anything, they are referring to the group. You assign your own prejudice to others, then call them racists.

What a puke you are.

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish (his Parish):

It seems like the Duck guy was trying to say that "The Blacks" were happier when they were treated like second class citizens and "knew their place". Do you really think that the Blacks in the Jim Crow South (Caddo Parish specifically) would express their angst about white people to a white Southerner? Do you know what happened to some Blacks who didn't "know their place"? If they were so "happy" and "content", why did MLK Jr, and other Southern Black people march and protest to stop being treated like second class citizens???

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish when the Duck guy was a kid, he was born in 1946, below demonstrates that it wasn't so "happy" for "the Blacks" in that Parish:
"During the 1950s, Shreveport whites became fervent in their opposition
to integration of any kind. In 1956, after voting against a proposed
bill exempting the Sugar Bowl from a new law prohibiting interracial activities,
State Representative Wellborn Jack of Shreveport promised that
“the Shreveport Citizens Council can always depend on me to take a
stand 100% for segregation and 100% against integration.”

"That year, after the four little girls were killed in Birmingham,
citizens (Caddo Parish)attempted to hold a memorial march at the Little Union
Baptist Church in Shreveport. Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner
George D’Artois had denied a permit for the demonstration, publicly declaring
that the demonstrators “want to destroy our American way of
life.”93 On the day of the memorial, hundreds of helmeted police officers
arrived at the church, armed with shotguns, tear-gas, and Billy-clubs, and
cordoned off the area. As people left the church after the memorial service,
officers drew their guns and severely beat dozens of demonstrators
and clergymen; D’Artois himself joined in.94"

"The next day, students at Booker T. Washington High School attempted
to march downtown but were met by police officers firing tear
gas grenades and kicking and beating them back inside the school.95 A
day after that, D’Artois called officers to surround the J.S. Clark Junior
High School, where several hundred students held a lunchtime rally.
When the students yelled “freedom” at the police, D’Artois sent officers
into the schoolyard to silence the protest.96 Following the beating of the
NAACP branch president and the suppression of every planned demonstration,
CORE and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference pulled
out of Shreveport, and the city saw little public protest for the remainder
of the decade."

For people who are interested, here's the link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zI5kyCyqSuFaNdA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc&cad=rja

Nobody is interested, because it's completely irrelevant, ding dong. He never said anything about them knowing their place. He said that he worked along side of them, being on the same social strata. Racist progressives don't understand that because they cannot comprehend of black people and white people being on the same social footing.

But in this case, they were. He shared a personal anecdote and said that nobody ever complained to him, that he never heard people complaining that they were *due* something.

Being a racist, you are going to turn that into a racist comment. But it isn't a racist comment. You are the racist to read that into it.[/QUOTE]

It's totally relevant. Do you know the social caste structure that existed in the Jim Crow South? Before calling people "ding dong", you should educate yourself. Here:

"During the American Civil War the Poor White comprised a majority of the combatants in the Confederate Army (the Battle Flag, while controversial, is still seen by some as a symbol of Southern as well as their identity); afterwards, many labored as sharecroppers. During the nadir of American race relations intense violence, defense of honor and white supremacy flourished[15] in a region suffering from a lack of public education and competition for resources. Southern politicians of the day motivated conflict between the Poor White and African Americans as a form of Political Opportunism.[8][16][17] As John T. Campbell summarizes in The Broad Ax:

"In the past, white men have hated white men quite as much as some of them hate the Negro, and have vented their hatred with as much savagery as they ever have against the Negro. The best educated people have the least race prejudice. In the United States the poor white were encouraged to hate the Negroes because they could then be used to help hold the Negroes in slavery. The Negroes were taught to show contempt for poor whites because this would increase the hatred between them and each side could be used by the master to control the other. The real interest of the poor whites and the Negroes were the same, that of resisting the oppression of the master class. But ignorance stood in the way. This race hatred was at first used to perpetuate white supremacy in politics in the South. The poor whites are almost injured by it as are the Negroes. - John T. Campbell[16]"

" In The Strange Career of Jim Crow and in his Origins of the New South, Woodward portrayed white racism as a false consciousness, and argued that demagogic leaders took advantage of this false consciousness to gain the political support of poor white men whose economic interests the leaders did not really share. Thus, according to Woodward, the changes in southern race relations in the 1890s emerged because southern political leaders used segregation laws and race-baiting in their campaigns as a way to obtain power and secure the votes of lower class whites who threatened revolt, most notably in Populism."

"Many white Southerners came to believe that African Americans abided — and even enjoyed — their roles as second-class citizens. (Duck man maybe?)When the civil rights movement tore through the South in the 1950s and 1960s, it exposed the falsity of such beliefs. At long last, African Americans voiced their discontent and demanded dignity. Black rebellion clashed so sharply with white perceptions that many disbelieved their own eyes. And as grassroots organizers led a mass movement for black equality, whites rose up in resistance."

"A similar conflagration erupted in New Orleans when that city became the first in the Deep South to desegregate. In November 1960, four African-American girls integrated Frantz Elementary School in the city’s Ninth Ward. That neighborhood was one of the city’s poorest. In addition to grievances against organized blacks and an active federal government, white Southerners also felt deep class divides. White Ninth Ward residents believed that the city’s rich and powerful had foisted integration upon them — and them alone. Across the region, poor whites shouldered the “burden” of integration. If the upper classes maintained social safety valves like country clubs, private schools, and exclusive suburbs, poorer whites confronted the fact that their public schools, swimming pools, and neighborhoods were often the first to experience desegregation.

Millions of white Southerners found champions in politicians such as Alabama’s governor, George Wallace, who both cultivated and exploited for political gain a deep anti-civil-rights sentiment. In his 1963 inaugural address, Wallace declared: “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” He became the very picture of white resistance."



Read more: White Southerners? Reactions to the Civil Rights Movement | IIP Digital

 

[The T]

The bigots are the assholes who think Robertson did something "punishable".

Punishable? By law?

No.

By his embarrassed employer?

Sure.

Next.

And A&E are FREE to make such a decision to their own demise at the behest of the intolerant BIGOTS as YOU.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I did.

Your debunk is based on a tweet regarding if atheists complained to A&E to ask for the ban on Jesus.

I don't think that man is lying in that video and I know little about him.