Free the Nation of Lone Star!

[schmidlap]

"Grovel, Cabaña Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

 

[Meathead]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabana Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabana Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

 

[schmidlap]

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

Your attempted diversion is noted. Back to the topic.

To be sure, the Trump-led nation of Texas will have its challenges - the Texas Navy conspicuous among them.

 

[Moonglow]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabaña Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

If Texass was to leave the union where would we dump our trash?

 

[Moonglow]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabana Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

You have no idea how the seniority system works in Congress.

 

[Meathead]

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

Your attempted diversion is noted. Back to the topic.

To be sure, the Trump-led nation of Texas will have its challenges - the Texas Navy conspicuous among them.

View attachment 462259​

You honestly think Texas would leave alone. Half of America would follow. You get the shitholes you belong in.

 

[j-mac]

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

Your attempted diversion is noted. Back to the topic.

To be sure, the Trump-led nation of Texas will have its challenges - the Texas Navy conspicuous among them.

View attachment 462259​

Good grief...People like you are a negative aspect on the traditions of free thought....While I have no problem with you holding the vile views you do, you on the other hand feel that unless everyone agrees with you they should be silenced, or shunned....pathetic.

 

[Meathead]

You have no idea how the seniority system works in Congress.

I have even less on an idea of wtf you're talking about. I suspect you're clueless yourself.

 

[Oldestyle]

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

Your attempted diversion is noted. Back to the topic.

To be sure, the Trump-led nation of Texas will have its challenges - the Texas Navy conspicuous among them.

View attachment 462259​

https://militarybases.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/ingleside.jpg

 

[22lcidw]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabaña Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

Progs love to use the things they have engineered and end up careening out of control against people that disagree with them. So back fifty years ago as compared to today. What is a main difference as to an individual or family surviving? And today we have more ways because of the Progressive Socialist agendas. Back then I do not know the percentage of government pay out to the average American. But we had a balanced budget and state, local and city taxes were massively lower. Today the average is 27% and rising of government assisting the total income of every individual up to family and everything else Progressives have invented. The real tax rate is at least half and this is being kind. So you Progs bring up the government giving out the money issue all the time. The truth is without it most of you would be secondary people un real life living. You see, acquiring the power is one thing, managing the government is another. The people of Cuba were so proud in the 1950's when they beat the corrupted people in power back then. Things were going to be great. Then Castro and the boys took over and reality hit them in the face. People want to leave. They do not want to stay. In piecemeal in the richest nation of the world Progs have done this. The relief valve is that the Prog American citizens leave their infected areas and move to the areas you laugh at and turn the into what you believe is so superior. All the ghettos in those areas I just do not understand.

 

[schmidlap]

You honestly think Texas would leave alone. Half of America would follow. You get the shitholes you belong in.

Pretending other states would wish to secede is another matter.

Texans only need a gentle nudge.

They were hankerin' sumpthin' fierce fer extending their go-it-alone approach well before their unique power grid and freedom from regulation were so graphically demonstrated.

Texas Republicans endorse legislation to allow vote on secession from US​

State’s part chairman, Allen West, is latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation​

​

Fri 5 Feb 2021​

​

The Texas Republican party has endorsed legislation that would allow state residents to vote whether to secede from the United States.​

West is the latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation. Last month, thestate representative Kyle Biedermann confirmed that he will introduce the bill for a referendum as early as this week.​

​

Texas Republicans endorse legislation to allow vote on secession from US

State’s part chairman, Allen West, is latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation

www.theguardian.com

​

TEXIT NOW!​

​

​

 

[Moonglow]

You have no idea how the seniority system works in Congress.

I have even less on an idea of wtf you're talking about. I suspect you're clueless yourself.

Ditto

 

[BLUE COLLAR]

Good, States that want to leave the Union should be free to do so. I suspect many will when Harris is president and AOC and her squad are calling the shots.

Your attempted diversion is noted. Back to the topic.

To be sure, the Trump-led nation of Texas will have its challenges - the Texas Navy conspicuous among them.

View attachment 462259​

Good grief...People like you are a negative aspect on the traditions of free thought....While I have no problem with you holding the vile views you do, you on the other hand feel that unless everyone agrees with you they should be silenced, or shunned....pathetic.

Well said.

It is a mistake not to listen to what drives your antagonist. Opposing points of view are not always without some merit.



Of course, there aee

 

[Moonglow]

You honestly think Texas would leave alone. Half of America would follow. You get the shitholes you belong in.

Pretending other states would wish to secede is another matter.

Texans only need a gentle nudge.

They were hankerin' sumpthin' fierce fer extending their go-it-alone approach well before their unique power grid and freedom from regulation were so graphically demonstrated.

Texas Republicans endorse legislation to allow vote on secession from US​

State’s part chairman, Allen West, is latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation​

​

Fri 5 Feb 2021​

​

The Texas Republican party has endorsed legislation that would allow state residents to vote whether to secede from the United States.​

West is the latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation. Last month, thestate representative Kyle Biedermann confirmed that he will introduce the bill for a referendum as early as this week.​

​

Texas Republicans endorse legislation to allow vote on secession from US

State’s part chairman, Allen West, is latest Republican to come out in support of declaring Texas an independent nation

www.theguardian.com

​

View attachment 462264
TEXIT NOW!​

​

​

Ain't it funny how they now want federal dollars to help them out after the winter storm.....?? Looks like that Texican bravado melted like the snow and ice.

 

[22lcidw]

You have no idea how the seniority system works in Congress.

I have even less on an idea of wtf you're talking about. I suspect you're clueless yourself.

Ditto

At some point you will figure out you can not get several hundred percent of pure social out of one hundred percent. I wish that was true. But someone somewhere suffers for this.

 

[schmidlap]

Progs love to use the things they have engineered and end up careening out of control against people that disagree with them. So back fifty years ago as compared to today. What is a main difference as to an individual or family surviving? And today we have more ways because of the Progressive Socialist agendas. Back then I do not know the percentage of government pay out to the average American. But we had a balanced budget and state, local and city taxes were massively lower. Today the average is 27% and rising of government assisting the total income of every individual up to family and everything else Progressives have invented. The real tax rate is at least half and this is being kind. So you Progs bring up the government giving out the money issue all the time. The truth is without it most of you would be secondary people un real life living. You see, acquiring the power is one thing, managing the government is another. The people of Cuba were so proud in the 1950's when they beat the corrupted people in power back then. Things were going to be great. Then Castro and the boys took over and reality hit them in the face. People want to leave. They do not want to stay. In piecemeal in the richest nation of the world Progs have done this. The relief valve is that the Prog American citizens leave their infected areas and move to the areas you laugh at and turn the into what you believe is so superior. All the ghettos in those areas I just do not understand.

Your being the spokesperson for your "progs" in declaring such ideological dogma fails to confront this thread's unabashed support for the aspiration of Texas politicians.

Governor Abbott Declared March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

"...when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "

​

 

[schmidlap]

Ain't it funny how they now want federal dollars to help them out after the winter storm.....?? Looks like that Texican bravado melted like the snow and ice.

The prodigal son of a bitch now extends a hand full of gimmee with a frost-bitten middle finger full of we don't need no sensible regulation.

 

[Crepitus]

View attachment 462211
View attachment 462253
"Grovel, Cabaña Boy! Your Pa killed JFK,
and your wife's as hot as a
Texarkana well-digger's ass!"​

On March 2, 1836, delegates gathered at Washington-on-the-Brazos to sign the Texas Declaration of Independence. General Sam Houston and his army defeated Santa Anna and his Mexican troops to earn Texas its independence, and remnants of that go-it-alone spirit have endured in its power grid that delivers its consumers a rootin'-tootin' broncho-bustin' ride that recaptures the surprise element of a debauched Saturday night of Texas Hold'em at the Jersey Lilly saloon.

Just one year ago:

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day​

"As those delegates declared 184 years ago, when a government ceases to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people from whom its power is derived, that government becomes an instrument of oppression and must be abolished. "... The vision of freedom set down by our founders in the Texas Declaration of Independence lives on in the Texas spirit today.​

Governor Abbott Proclaims March 2, 2020 To Be Texas Independence Day

gov.texas.gov

​

Is 2021 the year for it to abscond yet again?

Some Texans are gittin' cold feet lately, but many have been whining for years and years that the whole dang state should go the way of its electrical utility system.

View attachment 462208​

THE ALLURE:​

​

"Former Guy" is available, desperate for a job, threatened with being run out of town on a rail by his Palm Beach neighbors, and his former employer, the American People, remain especially disgusted by his exit tantrum - a violent attack upon the U.S. Congress. ​

​

He'll come cheap, and a non-extradition policy would be the clincher!​

​

He has a proven record of bloating debt while increasing unemployment, allowing more Texans to lead a life of leisure off the communal credit card.​

​

He'll build the sovereignty of Texas a "big, beautiful wall!" and make Arkansas pay for it!​

​

He'll exchange his signature neck tie/loin cloth for a crimson bolo longer than a bullwhip, and his cheap prole cap for a stetson!​

​

View attachment 462235​

​

PROTOTYPE: "America" will not appear anywhere on final product.​

​

The chain of Trump® Ski Lodges in The Blizzard State (soon to be "The Blizzard Nation") - The Trump® Loco*, The Trump® Ding Dong*, and The Trump® White Settlement* - will be an enticement for Cancún Cruz not to flee climatological crises in the future. (*actual texas place names.)​

​

​

View attachment 462240

How could yearning-to-be-free Texans resist?​

​

​

​

​

They'll wait untill they've gotten their federal aid first of course.

 

[Gdjjr]

I see envy in the OP- and I wonder why- what does the OP have against Liberty?